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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Grandy on January 07, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
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So I started playing this online FPS called Combat Arms, which is free, which means there are a lot of brasillians in it.
At any rate, the game gets updated rather frequently, and in one of these updates they added more banned words to the already silly banned words list. The funny part I should explain is that the filter does not differenciates beetwen full words and bits of words, so we can't say "Sniper", because "Nip" is banned, and we can't write Night because of "Nig".
Other silly bans include "WTF" "Hell" "Heck" "Dam (because people were bypassing "Damn") and "Porra", which is a brasillian word for semen, but can be used as "F**k". All words, doesn't matter how long, are censred as "**", not more asterisks, not less asterisks.
Now, the game sistem uses the same filter for both the messages and the names, and after that update, my name is officially "**dy12" (there was already a Grandy on it, so I put Grandy1 because I'm the real one, but there was already a Grandy1, so I decided to go as Grandy1 number 2, A.K.A. Grandy12, but that's beside the point,)
So I just want to know. Why would Gran be banned? Is it a curse I'm not aware of?
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Makes me recall some shitty korean third person action game called Rakion I used to play some year ago, they censored almost everything the same whay. But instead of asterisks they used LOVE so "**** you" would become "LOVE you". Its so much sillier than asterisks. Why they would ban Gran I have no idea.
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Lovedy12? Hmm. :/
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Age discrimination.
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So, in Brazil, if someone jammed their finger and shouted, "What the semen!!??", this is perfectly acceptable?
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As a European, I hate cencorship completely. In Holland, we don't use it. No bleeps on tv and no asterixes or any bullshit in the subtitles. If we wanna say ****, it's our problem. And to be honest, it works out better that way. Children already know these words so why ban them?
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Censorship just gives the things being censored more power. Would ****, ****, and **** be so exciting to say if they weren't socially terrorizing? Course not, but on the other hand... Americans love to sue anyone for just about any reason they can come up with...
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So, in Brazil, if someone jammed their finger and shouted, "What the semen!!??", this is perfectly acceptable?
Using curse words as a general expression of anger or ill will despite their true meanings isn't uncommon. It's not like "What the sex?" is less ridiculous.
The only reason I can possibly think for Gran to be banned is, as mentioned, age discrimination, but even that is pretty outrageous. Send them an angry e-mail. I mean, dam? You can't talk about a water-blocking construction?
If this were a kid's game or something I would permit it some modicum of leniency, but a first person shooter? I don't think the primary audience of a game that rewards headshots is going to be morally offended by the word "Nip".
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Send them an angry e-mail.
Yes. Do it until you get a response. Send multiple. Recruit other people to do so, as well.
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I've seen some pretty dumb censorships on TV... like "hole" when used after "ass". So you get ass[beep]. Wouldn't it make more sense to bleep the curse word? Also "piss" was blocked for some time... and other dumb ones. I mean I am against censorship but on TV and stuff if you get to the point of vulgarity that's just wrong. I don't want to hear shit like that, and I'm sure most people don't want to (or their kids to) either.
It's just not right to say things like **** and **** and... meecrob.
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and I'm sure most people don't want to (or their kids to) either.
This is something that bothers me. People don't seem to realize, that after a certain point, kids aren't innocent anymore. I'm sorry, but your little angels aren't going to be little angels past, what, first grade?
And seriously. It's a first person shooter. You're running around SHOOTING PEOPLE. WITH GUNS. Who is going to play that type of game, and still be offended by vulgarity? Buck up.
As if you don't hear it all around you in real life, anyway. >.>
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Maybe it's different today, I remember bad words were bad till I was like 11. It was just cool to cuss around your friends. Nowadays though I can't stand people who all that comes out of their mouth every 5 seconds is a curse word. Shooting people is cool, I like to see gore and blood and stuff but are words really necessary? Kind of countering my own point here, but words are human creation, we place meaning on these words and their level of vulgarity. Death however is something that is human nature, glorious and beautiful. I'd rather have children embracing this reality instead of calling each other shit smeared cream filled cunt cakes.
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Yes. Do it until you get a response. Send multiple. Recruit other people to do so, as well.
Oh, the whole CA community already does. I think people over there gave us a fake e-mail adress so they don't have to read them anymore.
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Maybe it's different today, I remember bad words were bad till I was like 11. It was just cool to cuss around your friends. Nowadays though I can't stand people who all that comes out of their mouth every 5 seconds is a curse word. Shooting people is cool, I like to see gore and blood and stuff but are words really necessary? Kind of countering my own point here, but words are human creation, we place meaning on these words and their level of vulgarity. Death however is something that is human nature, glorious and beautiful. I'd rather have children embracing this reality instead of calling each other shit smeared cream filled cunt cakes.
Well, of course you're always going to have the dimwit who has nothing better to do than show off their microscopic vocabulary by spewing random vulgarities, but that's where reality sets in again. People are idiots, get over it. Don't try to enrage them further, by blocking out what little communication ability they have.
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Maybe it's different today, I remember bad words were bad till I was like 11.
Yep. That's life for ya.
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I'm pretty sure in the Chef Aid South Park CD from many many years ago, the word "mother****er" was on it. And I think it was on the censored version of the CD, the bleep covered "mother" but strangely left "****er" for all to hear.
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Probably because it was more offensive to mothers than fuckers.
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Let's have a social experiment: For the next month, any time someone wishes to insult another member, refer to them as "gran". To aid the experiment, don't hold back; if you're mad at someone, don't be reasonable. Don't be thoughtful. Don't try to avoid conflict. Make a split-second decision, type angrily, and call them a "gran". After the month, we should look at the impact of the word on our community, and then take another look at this situation.
Fuck all you grans.
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Hey, fuck you too, king gran! You have no right to call us grans!
granny-ass motherfucker...
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Let's have a social experiment: For the next month, any time someone wishes to insult another member, refer to them as "gran". To aid the experiment, don't hold back; if you're mad at someone, don't be reasonable. Don't be thoughtful. Don't try to avoid conflict. Make a split-second decision, type angrily, and call them a "gran". After the month, we should look at the impact of the word on our community, and then take another look at this situation.
Fuck all you grans.
Is it alright if I spread the word to other communities?
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It hurts when I gran
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I'd be part of the experiment if the idea wasn't so Arch.
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Wow, you just made "Arch" sound very awesome. I'm honored.
Oh, and Desi? You may want to have a doctor check that out. As far as I know, you shouldn't be granning at all.
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As far as I know, you shouldn't be granning at all.
Dammit, I knew he was lying!
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But words are human creation, we place meaning on these words and their level of vulgarity.
You do know that by placing a cencorship on a word, their level of vulgarity and their meaning becomes stronger?
Children like to do things that are banned. If these words weren't cenconsored to begin with, most of them wouldn't even be used that much.
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Makes me recall some shitty korean third person action game called Rakion I used to play some year ago, they censored almost everything the same whay. But instead of asterisks they used LOVE so "**** you" would become "LOVE you". Its so much sillier than asterisks. Why they would ban Gran I have no idea.
Dude that is funny.
You do know that by placing a cencorship on a word, their level of vulgarity and their meaning becomes stronger?
Children like to do things that are banned. If these words weren't cenconsored to begin with, most of them wouldn't even be used that much.
You have a point. Censoring doesn't just cover up something that society deemed to be "inappropriate," it also creates wonder, specifically of what was being censored. Kids are way more curious than adults, so they are more likely to find these words on their own. Censorship doesn't really help anything.
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You do know that by placing a cencorship on a word, their level of vulgarity and their meaning becomes stronger?
Children like to do things that are banned. If these words weren't cenconsored to begin with, most of them wouldn't even be used that much.
Indeed. It's funny, desi, but my reasoning is opposite to yours for the same reasons. It is the very arbitrariness of swear words that makes it almost ridiculous to ban them. I heard that in a certain language phonetically saying "Coca Cola". This may or may not be an urban myth, but that's besides the point. This hypothetic race uses Coca Cola to express anger, we use it to speak of a drink. Which of us is using the word "right"? Of course the word- the string of sounds- has no value outside that which it has been applied to it. It is by the merest historical accident that our "Coca Cola" is perfectly non-vulgar. Words are tools. To suggest that they are anything more seems to me to require a mindset that borders on magical thinking.
On the other hand, murder for personal gain (The gaining of points) or enjoyment is as close to objectively evil as we are ever going to get. I'm not saying we should ban games like that. I'm just saying we should get our priorities right.
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Yeah, that kind of reminds me of the episode of Recess from back in the day... "Man this whomps!" Anyone else remember that? Well it made a pretty good point. That words are just words interpreted however the listener wants, no matter what the person who said it intended. We can learn much from cartoons of yesteryear...
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What the gran's going on here? I'm absent for a while and you guys arch everything up!
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Hey, hey, hey! You're a moderator! Try to set an example...
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Oh, the mods can go Moose themselves for all I care.
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Oh, the mods can go Moose themselves for all I care.
The way you use "Moose" sounds to me like it means "jack off".
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Drac up, dude. You're making yourself sound Meis with all that Sai.
Quite frankly, I aways thought you sounded a little Almei, but not enough to be a Ale like your last Drag comment.
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Why isn't "Gran" blocked? I can understand "Arch" and "Moose" getting through, since they're at least for-real words, but "Gran" is just plain offensive. Truly horrible word!
That's right. I'm threatening legal action over your vulgarity, community at large!
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Go Raffl yourself, you and your Musta legal action. You Gho Clo.
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This is getting quite out hand.
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'K. Stopping....*looks at wristwatch* NOW!
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Such a gran...dy.
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Let's not drag this out any further.
Whoops.
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Let's not drag this out any further.
Whoops.
Win.
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Lol.
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Too bad my names so obvious
You MuzerFruckerts
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Lol. Does that get through the filters, since it's broken with letters between the profanity?
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Yup
Surprisingly
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The best solution for cencorship: Teamspeak.
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Well duh.
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Hey, I'll take advantage of this topic to make a similar question.
I sometimes play C&C Red Alert 3 in network (by Hamachi, that fake networking program) with some friends, and it also have censorship. So, we where there talking and I wanted to say "saí", which is portuguese for "went out" or something, but the game doesn't support accentuation. Then I said just "sai", but what was shown was "***". What the heck "sai" means in english? It really mess up chatting, 'cause "saí" is a very common word... I'm typing "sa i" now >.<
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LOL
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That is a really good question
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Sai...Kar?
It is such an epic coincidence that I might just explode of excitement.
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I sometimes play C&C Red Alert 3 in network (by Hamachi, that fake networking program) with some friends, and it also have censorship. So, we where there talking and I wanted to say "saí", which is portuguese for "went out" or something, but the game doesn't support accentuation. Then I said just "sai", but what was shown was "***". What the heck "sai" means in english? It really mess up chatting, 'cause "saí" is a very common word... I'm typing "sa i" now >.<
Sai...Kar?
SWEET GRASSY KNOLL! What could it mean?!