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Title: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:06:25 PM

if i want to be a scientist or whatever, I'm automatically doomed to an eternity in hell.

what the ****.

I have to forget my dream just to be accepted?
Thats not fair. Nothing in my goddammed life is.

I can't have ****ing anything, real friends, a god, someone to lookup to- Nothing.

If jesus loves his children so much then why am i having such a screwed up life?
Why am I going to hell for trying to understand the world around me?

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:19:58 PM

I think he's having an emotional outburst in AoA.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 27, 2009, 09:21:45 PM

I think he want's to be a scientist, and one of his friends/parents/his own beliefs tell him he's going to hell for it because they're zealot douches.
That's what I got out of it.

Quote from: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:19:58 PM

I think he's having an emotional outburst in AoA.

This too.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:23:13 PM

Quote from: fruckert on June 27, 2009, 09:21:45 PM

I think he want's to be a scientist, and one of his friends/parents/his own beliefs tell him he's going to hell for it because they're zealot douches.
That's what I got out of it.

yeah...

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:23:13 PM

I'm a Christian and that... makes no damn sense to me. O_o

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:23:43 PM

Quote from: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:23:13 PM

I'm a Christian and that... makes no damn sense to me. O_o

well, my family is just like that for some reason.

****ing jerks.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:25:18 PM

Quote from: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:23:43 PM

well, my family is just like that for some reason.

****ing jerks.

Well, I wouldn't care for being a scientist. Too boring of occupations these days I guess. But I see no reason you will go to hell for it. O_o

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 27, 2009, 09:27:46 PM

Some uber-zealots think that trying to understand more about the world around us instead of taking every single letter in the bible literally is sacrilege.
One of the reasons why I'm anti-organized religion.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:30:02 PM

Quote from: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:25:18 PM

Well, I wouldn't care for being a scientist. Too boring of occupations these days I guess. But I see no reason you will go to hell for it. O_o

quote from my brother:

that science stuff is messing up your brain.

your not going to be taken when jesus comes.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 27, 2009, 09:33:01 PM

It never said that. O_o

Well, they're just overracting. Nothing about it said that you're going to hell for that, so I'm really confused here. Since, being a scientist is rather vauge (with there being severak different types) and it doesn't really interfere with you're beleifs or anything.

Quote from: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:30:02 PM

quote from my brother:

that science stuff is messing up your brain.

your not going to be taken when jesus comes.

He's an idiot, than. It doesn't really matter to him how much knowledge you contain. Afterall, the universe is nothing more than an massive puzzle that's waiting to be solved. Many people, including myself, are quite interested in alot of scientific topics, but we're Christian and read the bible. So, I think he's just stereotyping that every scientist out there is an atheist waiting to disprove the bible. Which isn't really true.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:35:44 PM

i want to be a physicist, they claim that I'm going to burn in hell for trying to understand

ex. StemCell Research. When someone has lost an arm or something cloning the lost arm is going to make you burn in hell.

its quite cruel when you think about it.

(ive never actually read the bible.)

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 27, 2009, 09:39:26 PM

I'm not the rigid condemning Christian type obviously. The failure in Christianity is not the word, but the people using as a device of fear. This is however not it's intention. In other words, they are not understanding it well themselves.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 27, 2009, 09:39:39 PM

Quote from: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:35:44 PM

i want to be a theoretical physicist, they claim that I'm going to burn in hell for trying to understand.

its quite cruel when you think about it.

(ive never actually read the bible.)

Well, as many people like them, they don't actually seem to read it themselves. There is NOTHING saying that you will burn in hell for being a scientist or philosopher. They're just making up crap because they have a negative view on their little understanding of scientists.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: _JeT_ on June 27, 2009, 09:58:08 PM

So, this is really more about your problem with your family... Personal familial issue!? I'm outta here! *leaves thread*

Quote from: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 09:35:44 PM

i want to be a theoretical physicist

lulz

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 10:07:31 PM

Quote from: _JeT_ on June 27, 2009, 09:58:08 PM

lulz

Yah i knew somebody would laugh at that.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Archem on June 27, 2009, 10:17:59 PM

Scientists don't go to Hell.

Now scientists that believe in evolution! They're Hell-spawn to begin with!

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 27, 2009, 10:21:59 PM

Eh, I know many Christians who beleive in it. Even Obama-hating Republican kids and adults.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 27, 2009, 10:37:17 PM

you know what makes it worse?

i belive in god. they still think that Im an atheist.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 27, 2009, 10:40:22 PM

Well, don't bother with it. If you have your own beleifs, don't let t bug you. People can be very stupid. These are types of Christians I call "Pseudo-Christians". Basically, they have no idea what they're talking about. They only read maybe some of the old testament and slightly more than the new, if you actually question them on less talked about books of the bible, they can't answer you. It's a family problem really, not a religious problem

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 27, 2009, 11:24:54 PM

ALL HAIL THE SQUARE DOOD!

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 27, 2009, 11:39:27 PM

Quote from: lucas_irineu on June 27, 2009, 11:33:52 PM

Oh and fruck, go to msn =p

It hasn't been letting me log in for the past few weeks.
Don't know why.

EDIT: Never mind, it just did...****er...

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Razor on June 27, 2009, 11:57:54 PM

Extreme, don't let your family get in the way of your dreams of becoming a scientist. Even if they don't understand, I'm sure God will.
And if HE doesn't understand, does he really deserve YOUR fellowship?

Besides, if you subscribe to the idea that God made everyone individual, then HE made you want to be a scientist.
And HE made your family douches.

Maybe they're just tests he put in your life to make you a better person for overcoming them. I think you should do just that.



Alternatively, wait until the rapture to make your mind up.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 28, 2009, 12:01:07 AM

Quote from: Razor on June 27, 2009, 11:57:54 PM

Extreme, don't let your family get in the way of your dreams of becoming a scientist. Even if they don't understand, I'm sure God will.
And if HE doesn't understand, does he really deserve YOUR fellowship?

Besides, if you subscribe to the idea that God made everyone individual, then HE made you want to be a scientist.
And HE made your family douches.

Maybe they're just tests he put in your life to make you a better person for overcoming them. I think you should do just that.



Alternatively, wait until the rapture to make your mind up.

I'd go with this.
It's very well put.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Uberpwn_w00t on June 28, 2009, 12:27:47 AM

Okay, first I will address Lucas. Lucas... Win.

Now I will address quadruple X. I'm just going to refer to him as X.

X, I am deeply sorry for the position you are in. I cannot say I have ever been in a similar position. This can be attributed to two reasons. First of all, I grew up in a family that let me make all of my own decisions, for better or for worse. I am not, and never have been bound to any kind of strict moral code. Secondly, I have learned, over time, that the best way to cope with not being accepted by your peers (or in your case, your family) can be put into three words. "I don't care." I live by that code, and its worked pretty damn well so far.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Archem on June 28, 2009, 12:33:06 AM

Quote from: Uberpwn_w00t on June 28, 2009, 12:27:47 AM

"I don't care."

Ah, my credo.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Drace on June 28, 2009, 12:40:22 AM

Don't get me started on what I don't like about religion. The list just goes on and on and on and on and on and...

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 28, 2009, 12:43:51 AM

Quote from: Razor on June 27, 2009, 11:57:54 PM

Extreme, don't let your family get in the way of your dreams of becoming a scientist. Even if they don't understand, I'm sure God will.
And if HE doesn't understand, does he really deserve YOUR fellowship?

Besides, if you subscribe to the idea that God made everyone individual, then HE made you want to be a scientist.
And HE made your family douches.

Maybe they're just tests he put in your life to make you a better person for overcoming them. I think you should do just that.

Wait, what about free will? Didn't it specifically said G pretty much gave them the choice to do whatever they wanted to? Well, anyhow you're right. He doesn't need their approval to be a scientist. This is really just a chase of a family wanting to make their decisions for him

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 12:50:04 AM

...

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Razor on June 28, 2009, 01:14:05 AM

Quote from: Deathreaper on June 28, 2009, 12:43:51 AM

Wait, what about free will? Didn't it specifically said G pretty much gave them the choice to do whatever they wanted to? Well, anyhow you're right. He doesn't need their approval to be a scientist. This is really just a chase of a family wanting to make their decisions for him

Believe what you want, it's how religion works.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: HobomasterXXX on June 28, 2009, 01:17:24 AM

I think the biggest bullshit about christianity is the whole "believe in god or go to hell". So people who don't follow religion, but never "sin" or anything like that, still get sent to hell. Anyway, I'm an athiest, so none of this affects me.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 01:25:49 AM

Well, I see where this is going... I knew this would lead to religious bash sooner or later. Anyways, I don't believe what normal Christians believe. I don't know my specific class and frankly I hate classification, makes me feel like a kind of produce.

I don't believe in condemnation either. I think the idea of fate is ridiculous. I think a lot is based on free will and choice, only the choices we make are what matters. Not that everything is just good deeds and all though. But anyways. I don't think so rigidly as most do. I won't condemn you to hell as most would.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 28, 2009, 01:33:52 AM

Quote from: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 01:25:49 AM

Well, I see where this is going... I knew this would lead to religious bash sooner or later.

Of course. What do you expect. People are obessessive about the topic, they'll drag it anywhere they COULD possibly jump on it. The true irony is, they don't realize no matter what religion/non-religion you are, it doesn't excuse you for being an idiot.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Razor on June 28, 2009, 01:40:06 AM

Yes, everyone off of the religion bashing train, if you're even considering it. Even if the topic title implies that, don't indulge.

Let's just focus on helping Extreme.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Ryan914 on June 28, 2009, 01:41:19 AM

I Left religion in general, far too many people pervert the original meaning for their own selfish purposes.

Think of religion as a large swimming pool, the extremists are the children that piss in the pool and the piss is their ideals.

Do you honestly want to swim in a piss-laden pool?

I myself want to research cancer and other types of diseases (Bio-major in college). There is nothing wrong in learning about the world and disseminating from what one has learned to be applied to civilization, in fact that is how progress occurs.

Sure science can create technology, but is all about how such things are used; there will be humans that will abuse the new technology for their own purposes, just like the extremists that abuse religion for their own gain.

I myself, honestly do not know what awaits me beyond the frame of my own existence on earth, perhaps some form of afterlife, or perhaps just Mu (Nothingness/Nihility).

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 01:44:15 AM

Quote from: Razor on June 28, 2009, 01:40:06 AM

Yes, everyone off of the religion bashing train, if you're even considering it. Even if the topic title implies that, don't indulge.

Let's just focus on helping Extreme.

^That means everyone. But yes, everybody hates extremists. I fight with ones of my own religion, I find them obnoxious, but I tell them they are going to hell for their hatred as a mock.

As for how this relates to X's problem, don't listen to them. You believe, and you follow, you don't need them to tell you different. You won't be an athiest for science. I dabble in it too, heck, my family WANTS me to be a scientist and we are of a baptist church, with strong Christian ties. So there should not be a problem. Then again, down here, we are looser... the REAL problem down here is: RACISM.

So don't let them get you down.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 28, 2009, 07:26:36 AM

Thanks Charas.

You guys really helped.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: fruckert on June 28, 2009, 07:29:32 AM

You're Welcome.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Deathreaper on June 28, 2009, 07:36:54 AM

No problem, so how'd it turn out?

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Uberpwn_w00t on June 28, 2009, 08:14:14 AM

I should write a self-help book.

"I don't care"

Shrug it all off. Redefining the term "carefree"

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Archem on June 28, 2009, 08:18:24 AM

If I wrote a self-help book, it would-

Well, think "Archem" and "self-help", and the joke writes its own punchline.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Ben on June 28, 2009, 10:57:55 AM

the only thing more retarded then these charas religion threads are the ops of the threads

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Apex on June 28, 2009, 03:58:08 PM

Follow your dream, become a heretic!

It's fun.

In all actuality, youf family should accept whatever it is you become career-wise, and if they don't then they are only inhibiting your success and holding back your potential. You need to worry about your own desires, you only have one life to do it in, as far as we can proove. (I'm hoping reincarnation is real.)

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: ThexXtremeXx on June 28, 2009, 05:29:56 PM

Quote:

"Obviously god wanted me to be this way and if you can't accept the way he wanted me to be then well
I'm sorry, because that's your problem. Not mine. Real Christians wouldn't be such jerks and try to force me to change my
ideals just to be accepted into god's kingdom, he made me this way, he wanted me to be like this. I don't need you to tell me
what's waiting for me in the afterlife."

After that they just seemed to not care and said, its your problem now. We tried to help you.

All is well.

Oh yeah:

Quote from: gemini on June 28, 2009, 10:57:55 AM

the only thing more retarded then these charas religion threads are the ops of the threads

Quote

"I don't care"

Shrug it all off. Redefining the term "carefree"

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Drakiyth on June 28, 2009, 09:01:27 PM

Typical brain-washed idiots who are so scared of the unknown and death they have forgotten their true selves to slave to a deity that simply does not show it's self nor does it even exist. You will have "you must have faith blah blah blah ****ing BLAH!"  It's a word of control and enslavement of the mind. If you're not faithful to "god", a being who somehow think it's cute to create a bunch of people to worship him and he gets pissed off and throws you to a hell "HE MADE" if you don't.  God sounds like a real ***hole to me. After all, he made the Satan/hell so why would you give your entire being to such a tyrant? Think of all the Indians that had their own gods and beliefs before the euro peon douche bags came over and polluted their lands with Christianity and Catholicism. That's right, OMFG!?  Tower of Babil we made a tower that touched the skies.. Riiiiiight!  That's why this tower has never been found and it would be impossible to create anything that tall without it falling over and crumbling.. Not to mention there was hardly any kind of math/geometries etc back then..  It's simple a fairy tale to give a half-baked shitty excuse why we can't understand each other.  "FALSE IDOLS" ZOMGZ you go to hell if you believe in what you were raised on according to this new religion that came to our lands!?.  I love how a god says false idols to other gods.. That's pure fucken selfish and this god is supposed to be one of Good and Holy right?

Exxtreme, do you ever ask yourself this question.  What would I be in religious views if my mom and dad were Muslim, Ancient Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Chinese????   You do know that spreading Christianity/Catholicism to foreign lands is straight up defying their gods and beliefs long before the supposed "Jesus Christ" ever walked the earth right?
Think closely at your uprising and your parents uprising.  They are simply scared little sheep who follow because they feel powerless. They feel their whole existence is to worship a god who made them.  Think long and ****ing hard how selfish that makes god.  He not only creates your so-called "savior" but he also creates your damnation.  Sounds like a sick ego-tistical ***hole who is on a power trip to me.

When you are old enough you should tell your zealot brain-washed clueless parents to **** off and live life you want with your own path.

I hope this helps you break your ethos and free your mind.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 09:05:05 PM

Quote from: Razor on June 28, 2009, 01:40:06 AM

Yes, everyone off of the religion bashing train, if you're even considering it. Even if the topic title implies that, don't indulge.

Let's just focus on helping Extreme.

In other words, cut that **** out.

If this persists there will be a personal warning, then if it persists from that it'll be a possible temp ban. Anyways, this has been resolved already. Persistence is unneeded.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Drakiyth on June 28, 2009, 09:21:30 PM

I'm done, hopefully he reads what I have said since it's a free country.

Title: Re: what i dont like about religon
Post by: Darkfox on June 28, 2009, 09:26:33 PM

Eh, Drakiyth killed it. X's problem has been resolved. Nobody is being helpful anymore, just being a bunch of zealots, be it for religion or for anti-religion. Not cool guys, not cool. Locked




Razor note/mod power abuse: My advice was totally awesome.