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Title: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on December 31, 2009, 06:07:43 PM
I've decided to finally get round to posting some of my art! I only got my computer tablet at Christmas so I'm still practicing but I'd still like some constructive criticism...
This is just a random picture.
(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m452/Angel_Walter/Drawings/Tablet%20Drawings/MyFirstTabletDrawingWithABackground.png)
This is my character for a Tabletop RPG I'm playing with a group of friends.
(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m452/Angel_Walter/Drawings/Tablet%20Drawings/KouDancingSamuraiFinal.png)

(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m452/Angel_Walter/Drawings/Tablet%20Drawings/CrappyKouscan.png)
Sorry! I put this in the wrong section accidentally! Could someone move it to creative arts please?
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: SaiKar on January 01, 2010, 12:21:41 AM
I'm not convinced.

Also, moved.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 01, 2010, 12:23:10 AM
Also, moved.
Thank you! I am eternally grateful!
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: MissingName on January 01, 2010, 04:15:19 AM
You got a friggin' tablet?  Lucky SOB.  Looks good for a random doodle.

...I'm thinking of getting a tablet.  Either that, or a Mosin Nagant.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Valiere on January 01, 2010, 05:29:44 AM
Tablets are awesome. Although for the record, I prefer using them for coloring only.

Also, note that arms are a lot longer than that. They go down about halfway from the waist to the knees.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Darkfox on January 01, 2010, 06:31:34 AM
Arms go down a bit past the waist usually. A few inches from the knees but not on the knees unless the arms are LONG.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Bluhman on January 01, 2010, 06:33:41 AM
Midway to thigh is where the palms go, methinks. There's a bit of room for discrepancy. The picture I'm currently checking actually has the fingerthips going down to mid thigh, where my personal test has my palm down there. Again, discrepancy. Some people have slightly longer arms than others.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Darkfox on January 01, 2010, 06:35:20 AM
Midway to thigh is where the palms go, methinks. There's a bit of room for discrepancy. The picture I'm currently checking actually has the fingerthips going down to mid thigh, where my personal test has my palm down there. Again, discrepancy. Some people have slightly longer arms than others.

Exactly. There are some variety in arm lengths.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Archem on January 01, 2010, 06:46:54 AM
I've gotta say, they scare the **** out of me.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 01, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Thanks for the advice! I'm not sure what to think about your comment though Archem...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 01, 2010, 05:23:16 PM
Don't worry, Lucas, I know what you're saying. I'm having a bit of trouble getting used to drawing with the tablet. But could you explain why they look flat (apart from the complete lack of shading)?
I had a feeling that I shouldn't post this stuff. I'm only an amateur... Ah well, too late now...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Prpl_Mage on January 01, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
I had a feeling that I shouldn't post this stuff. I'm only an amateur... Ah well, too late now...

But it can only go better from here right?
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Valiere on January 03, 2010, 03:27:08 AM
Yeah, just keep practicing. I find it helps to sketch a rough body template before drawing, so you get the proportions basically right.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: supasora on January 03, 2010, 03:38:14 AM
lucky punk. If I had a tablet I'd be amazingly asome just for owning one.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: warlock776 on January 05, 2010, 02:25:02 AM
Arms go down a bit past the waist usually. A few inches from the knees but not on the knees unless the arms are LONG.

Well I have a slightly hunched-back so my palms are nearly ON my knees...they're still not long though.
And I forget where I was going with this...
but stop complaining bout the arms persons...sure they're disturbingly short, but as angel said..MATUER.
things can only improve..

unless you're arms actually ARE that short...
or you're a hunchback...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 09, 2010, 06:41:08 PM
Okay! I've got a new picture! No need to worry about arms this time! It's even vaguely shaded!
(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m452/Angel_Walter/Drawings/Tablet%20Drawings/Coverartcoloured.png)
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 12, 2010, 04:58:42 PM
Another picture! I'm actually pretty proud of this one, so please try not to be harsh if you have criticism!
(http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m452/Angel_Walter/Drawings/Tablet%20Drawings/FerdinandColoured.png)
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Archem on January 12, 2010, 08:56:32 PM
I'm still standing by what I posted earlier: Your art makes me cringe really bad. I'm not saying you should stop trying (in fact, keep trying. Practice is a really good thing), but it might not be a bad idea if I stop looking for a little bit.

Start by not making things quite as long. These horrific, twenty-foot tall monsters are frightening.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Bluhman on January 12, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
I'm still standing by what I posted earlier: Your art makes me cringe really bad. I'm not saying you should stop trying (in fact, keep trying. Practice is a really good thing), but it might not be a bad idea if I stop looking for a little bit.

Start by not making things quite as long. These horrific, twenty-foot tall monsters are frightening.

I.... Have to agree with that sentiment. It probably doesn't help me that it's an anthrodog.

EDIT: Smaller head, wider shoulders, shorter legs, I'll update this list on the things you need to improve on anatomically.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 12, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
Mmmkay... So, I've basically done nothing right... Got it. I think I might stop posting this stuff for a bit.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Cerebus on January 12, 2010, 09:36:27 PM
You shouldn't come asking for criticism when you clearly can't take it.
They gave you advice on how to improve your drawings, never did they say "dude your drawing sux lol".
Yeah, I guess it sucks when you put time into something only to find out it wasn't as good as you thought... but that's how it is. You can't be perfect from start, unless you're one of the few exceptions. Don't stop because you received negative criticism. Instead, try to follow the advices you were given. That's how you'll improve, not by stopping completely.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Archem on January 12, 2010, 09:37:50 PM
Now now, you've done some things correctly. I mean, there are only two eyes, right?

But seriously, feel free to keep posting things, and we'll give you a little bit of constructive criticism. Because, to put it lightly, you could use a few pointers.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 12, 2010, 10:00:01 PM
Don't stop because you received negative criticism. Instead, try to follow the advices you were given. That's how you'll improve, not by stopping completely.
Hey, I didn't say I was stopping completely! I'm just gonna try and improve before I post anything else! Okay?
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Bluhman on January 12, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
Now now, you've done some things correctly. I mean, there are only two eyes, right?
Yeah. That's something the Neopet's artists can't even get right.
(http://www.pinkpt.com/neodex/images/a/a2/Shoyru_blue_baby.gif)

Anyways, I would discourage hiding your work until you think you're better. Unless you got a genuine art sense or something hidden within yourself, constructive criticism will help you. You know, because it's constructive.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 12, 2010, 10:45:41 PM
Anyways, I would discourage hiding your work until you think you're better. Unless you got a genuine art sense or something hidden within yourself, constructive criticism will help you. You know, because it's constructive.
I know, but I'm still getting the same criticism, so I was going to keep drawing until I thought I'd fixed the whole 'arm thing' (I'm pretty sure I've got more than enough advice on about how long they should be) and then put up another picture. Then I would work on the next inevitable problem. Do you think that'd be okay?
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Cerebus on January 12, 2010, 10:51:09 PM
No one commented on the arms on your last drawing. But anyway, yeah, if you prefer to restrain from posting until you think it's fine, then go on. We can't really force you to post them all. But by posting them and receiving criticism, at least you'll know where you can improve. But you decide what you do.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 12, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
I thought I saw someone say something about the arms... I coulda sworn it! Hmm... Well, I guess not... Also, don't worry I'll submit something smaller next time. I keep forgetting to resize stuff before I post it. :-[
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: fruckert on January 12, 2010, 11:19:37 PM
My thoughts:

Those arms dude.
They still seem too short (to me at least).

Agreeing with Archem on the height thing.
It's kind of unnerving.

Shade less flat.
It looks kind of, quite frankly, not too great.

The snout needs more definition.


My head is still cracked up from the hours and hours of mono sleep that I've been having so I can't think of any more.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: supasora on January 13, 2010, 01:46:00 AM
I think It'd be beneficial if you looked at differnt things that showed you how to draw anotomy. It will take a long time to improve but if your willing, you can do it.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: SaiKar on January 13, 2010, 02:31:52 AM
Mmmkay... So, I've basically done nothing right... Got it. I think I might stop posting this stuff for a bit.
No offense, but yeah, don't post everything. Look, even the best artists draw stuff they don't want people to see. I only post maybe 1 in 20 of the things I draw. It's easy to screw up, even for the pros, but you have to look past each individual drawing and focus on the whole. If arms bother you, do a bunch of sketches where you focus on the arms. I myself went through a year or two changing eye styles before I got things how I like them. Keep up the practice and you'll be embarrassed at things you did a year or even a few months ago because you've gotten so much better since then.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: MissingName on January 13, 2010, 04:54:46 AM
No offense, but yeah, don't post everything. Look, even the best artists draw stuff they don't want people to see. I only post maybe 1 in 20 of the things I draw.
Hell, I've hated everything I've drawn in a while.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 13, 2010, 09:06:58 AM
I think It'd be beneficial if you looked at differnt things that showed you how to draw anotomy. It will take a long time to improve but if your willing, you can do it.
Yeah, I've actually cracked open my 'Complete Book of Drawing Manga'. Hopefully, this'll cause an improvement...
No offense, but yeah, don't post everything.
You think I've been posting everything? You don't wanna see the stuff that I haven't posted!
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Archem on January 13, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
Quite frankly, the heads need a lot of work. They look nothing like what a head should look like. There are plenty of drawing guides out there to help you get things sorted out.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: supasora on January 13, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
Hell, I've hated everything I've drawn in a while.
Yeah everyone has crap they don't want people to see and everyone goes through slumps.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Valiere on January 14, 2010, 12:31:55 AM
I think part of the issue is we're used to seeing the work of people with more experience on this forum. Which isn't to say you shouldn't post, but just expect a lot of criticism, because even people who practice constantly and are pretty "far along" artistically get criticism (like Lucas).

The advice here isn't bad...Your figures are pretty lanky. I had the opposite problem of drawing people too short for the longest time. I also had an embarrassing period where I drew everyone, even women, with football-shoulders. And this was like a year ago. Point is, proportions are freaking tough and annoying to get right. But just take criticism in stride (while also taking it seriously), and keep trying.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 14, 2010, 05:37:45 PM
I've been looking at my artwork... My pencil and paper stuff is much better than the stuff I've drawn on the tablet. I think I'll start working towards my strengths and stick to traditional art as opposed to digital. I might colour them digitally though... Which means I'll have to work on my shading...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: fruckert on January 14, 2010, 11:25:44 PM
Same here.
My dad's tablet-pc, while fun to work with, just doesn't feel as right as a pencil.

I'm not even going to pretend I can even begin to shade though.
Or color.

Basically I fail at anything that isn't A) Schematic or B) Wild doodle.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 14, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
Same here.
My dad's tablet-pc, while fun to work with, just doesn't feel as right as a pencil.
Yay! I'm not the only person who has trouble with tablets!
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Darkfox on January 15, 2010, 06:51:59 AM
I'm somewhat a spriter and I do draw with pencil and paper. I may be getting a tablet, but I'm sure it'll feel quite a bit different.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: supasora on January 16, 2010, 02:04:13 AM
Yay! I'm not the only person who has trouble with tablets!
Tablets are hard to use just to draw digitally. I like to scan first.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: MissingName on January 16, 2010, 03:46:34 AM
My sister's got a tablet.  Considering stealing it for a bit...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Darkfox on January 16, 2010, 05:50:10 AM
Tablets are hard to use just to draw digitally. I like to scan first.

That is probably how I'm going to use a tablet, but I'd like to oekaki too. For sprites it is the mouse for me.
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: supasora on January 16, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
That is probably how I'm going to use a tablet, but I'd like to oekaki too. For sprites it is the mouse for me.
I also found that putting paper on the tablet helps create traction making It less slippery and more pencil like
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 16, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
I also found that putting paper on the tablet helps create traction making It less slippery and more pencil like
That's a really interesting idea! I might have to try that at some point...
Title: Re: Angel Walter's Unconvincing Tablet Drawings! (Now in Technicolor(c)!)
Post by: Angel Walter on January 16, 2010, 02:39:11 PM
Oh... Maybe I won't then...