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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: lilsniffs3 on January 27, 2010, 12:54:17 AM
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Really, how many times have you seen a great movie but the critics say its bad? Or vise-versa? I read terrible reviews in the paper about Cloverfield, and I found the movie to be okay. I remember reading that the movie was "too fast-paced" and I was like "Dude, you think the monster is going to just rest everytime it attacks?"
Another movie I saw with similar professional critic reception was To Save a Life. My CCD class was going to see it and if you dont go you have to stay in class. So, wanting to skip class I saw the movie. It was kinda good. Yet.....critics called it horrible simply mocking it for being a Christian movie.
Anyone else see movies that were like these?
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Well I'm not really one to watch movies a lot... but I do some times check critics or short review for certain games, which in some way, is kinda the same. More than once I've seen bad review about games I actually liked, or good review about games I didn't like. One thing you have to remember though is that no one likes the same things.
But I do agree some times critics are just... overacting or such.
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Everyone has disagreements with other people over things, these guys are just respected for it for...some reason.
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They'll give good reviews to whatever will give them the most $$$, duh.
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I've never been/cared about a critic. It's all opinionated BS.
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Cloverfeild sucked, but thats my own opinion. If you liked it that's good for you, that means the time you spent watching it wasn't waisted. Critics are suppoused to help people decide if they like a movie or not, but I wouldnt be surprised if there was some money involved in some reviews. *cough* Avatar *cough*
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Critics tend to make judgments about something's whole package. But the average moviegoer doesn't care about costuming and sound production, so if a critic approves of something's whole package where a lot of their approval is based on things the public doesn't care about, then the review tends to be fairly useless.
In short, critics don't really know their own audiences.
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Look, people can say this and that, but in the end it is all money driven.
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wtf @ your avatar
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I hated Transformers 2 and 2012. :]]
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wtf @ your avatar
See "Whoever Posts Last", it is incorrectly placed in an ad that is seen on eBuddy and some sites as a full popup.
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Critics are just people's opinions, and people's opinions differ between people. Would you give good critics to a chick flick with NO nakedness?
Would you give a bad score to a movie with a LOT of blood and explosions?
It's all about what people think about what they do.
And if a movie was really expensive to make - papers will praise it.
For example(although it's a game): FFXII recieved like 9/10 scores from most websites. But the game really suck. "It's the best final fantasy of all time" is pasted on my box. That's not true at all.
So there is money in praising movies and games, that's why companies have PR people - since critics found in papers or otherwise public networks need a job.
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Critics are just people's opinions, and people's opinions differ between people.
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"It's the best final fantasy of all time" is pasted on my box. That's not true at all.
Huh?
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Huh?
People who criticize games and movies are persons like you and me who have their own interests and things they like and dislike. Some people like animated action - others don't. You can read what a person thought of the movie but his opinion about movies can be very different from your opinions on movies.
Like - you think the matrix is an awesome movie. He thinks that the matrix is a silly movie with far too much sci fi and unrealistic scenes.
And about the other thingy. When I bought FFXII there were two stickers. first one said "The biggest game of the year 10/10"(from the official playstation 2 magazine) and "It's the best final fantasy of all time"(from somwhere else".
Of course the Playstation magazine will praise it. But that other thingy that called it the best final fantasy of all time deserves a kidney shot. I believed them to be gin with, and all other reviews and such. But when i finally completed the game I only felt emptiness since i wasted a good couple of hours on a game so crappy.
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critics
audiences.
What?
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I agree with critics most of the time. I like that they tend to have a conscience regarding movies and slam any they feel are mean-spirited or offensive. The last time I recall disagreeing with critics was regarding a chick flick called "Rachel Getting Married"...the critics loved it, I found it completely tedious and filled with long stretches of musicians playing rather than any attempt to move along the story.
The only time you should disregard the critics is if you're seeing a movie that's purposely silly and off-the-wall, like a Ben Stiller or Vince Vaughn comedy. They tend to look for some sort of artistic merit in movies that don't need any. Although I should say that critics are getting better about this ("Dodgeball" got good reviews because critics saw it as wacky, generally good-natured fun).
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I actually do find that many professional critics seem to be writing from the perspective of a fifteen-eyed, soulless, nitpicking space alien rather than, you know, a human being. It doesn't have to be flawless to enjoy it... Jesus.
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Dodgeball was AWESOME.
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Of course the Playstation magazine will praise it. But that other thingy that called it the best final fantasy of all time deserves a kidney shot. I believed them to be gin with, and all other reviews and such. But when i finally completed the game I only felt emptiness since i wasted a good couple of hours on a game so crappy.
But it's all opinion. Someone who hates turn based/ATB/whatever gameplay could well think it is the best Final Fantasy.
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If anyone thinks that XII was better than VI, I will gladly kill them. Words hath been mended.
But it's all opinion. Someone who hates turn based/ATB/whatever gameplay could well think it is the best Final Fantasy.
I'd just get XI if I were them. :V Less screwy gameplay.
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If anyone thinks that XII was better than VI, I will gladly kill them.
Fixed?
I hope so.
VI was awesome.
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If anyone thinks that XII was better than VI, I will gladly kill them.
Fixed?
I hope so.
VI was awesome.
Counter fixed. Yeah, I don't know what happened there.
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Neither do I.
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Ah, FF6... one of the last FFs I actually enjoyed.
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Even movies have objective flaws and upsides. They can be actually spotted by someone who wants to use less opinion. However, critics just do whatever instead of their jobs, usually. 95% of all modern films are bad. So I don't care very much for their reviews. I just stay in the past when people actually knew how to act and special effects worked more.
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But back then, these special effect were actually awesome considering the lack of technology compared to today's.
And special effect don't mean much if the story or acting suck, just like a video game with incredible graphics but shitty gameplay and story aren't necessarily fun.
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
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But back then, these special effect were actually awesome considering the lack of technology compared to today's.
And special effect don't mean much if the story or acting suck, just like a video game with incredible graphics but shitty gameplay and story aren't necessarily fun.
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
You got a point there and I agree
But concerning special effects, in this present day we're in the sort of illusion that good special effects are CGI. While they can be, they're no replacement to a simple effect or a costume or puppet if one is available. CGI has been abused heavily in this day and age, where the effects don't really look organic. Costumes and such used correctly do better in my opinion than a CGI character depending on how it's done. Typically the CGI conflicts with the natural environment, rather than blends with it as much as possible. This is why I think that puppets and costumes should still be used if it'll work in the context of the movie.
But all in all, it's how the CGI is done. It's just been way abused in my opinion, so I can actually say because older movies special effects blend in better to the environment of that movie, I say that 10, 20 years ago special effects are better than they have been in the past 5 years, but this is me
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I don't mean Avatar or anything. I mean for just general effects themselves. And I can't be very specific right now, I got a thousand people IMing me >_> What I mean is, do they have to have CG replace EVERYTHING? I mean, they would go out of their way to replace any given effect, be it an unusual character, flames, blood or shattering glass. Since those type of effects don't look that much like the actual object they are supposed to be representing except when it comes to shape, I can say that the older effects would be better in that context.
Like I said, you can tell when CG is there. It very rarely blends in with movies nowadays. Movies back then when they used actual explosions and the like where more believable with their effects since those effect blended in since they were actually tangible. CG can look rather tangible and fitting to the movie, but this depends on how they pull it off.
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What we are seeing today is the McDonaldization of modern films. Quantity over quality. The same plot (or lack thereof) tweaked and reused. And of course, critics will give it great reviews for some special effects and features and not mention the cons. They make money for giving POSITIVE reviews, while negative ones can get them fired. Has happened before... =/
Anyways, we get a lot of cheap plot and story movies that make little or no sense and are full of gaping holes. Or cover the plot holes but the movie is still cheap and not worth sitting through.
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If anyone thinks that XII was better than VI, I will gladly kill them. Words hath been mended.
I'd just get XI if I were them. :V Less screwy gameplay.
Man I hated Final Fantasy 6. I couldnt stand tina branford. But the concept art for the game is cool, I'll give it that.
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Man I hated Final Fantasy 6. I couldnt stand tina branford. But the concept art for the game is cool, I'll give it that.
Tina? Never heard of her. But Terra was a cool character. Admittedly a bit depressing, but hey, every game seems to have one. At least the chick could use a sword.
(and yes I know Tina was her name in Japan, but I'm not in Japan so screw 'em!)
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Tina? Never heard of her. But Terra was a cool character. Admittedly a bit depressing, but hey, every game seems to have one. At least the chick could use a sword.
(and yes I know Tina was her name in Japan, but I'm not in Japan so screw 'em!)
Hi my names Mash
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I don't mean Avatar or anything. I mean for just general effects themselves. And I can't be very specific right now, I got a thousand people IMing me >_> What I mean is, do they have to have CG replace EVERYTHING? I mean, they would go out of their way to replace any given effect, be it an unusual character, flames, blood or shattering glass. Since those type of effects don't look that much like the actual object they are supposed to be representing except when it comes to shape, I can say that the older effects would be better in that context.
Like I said, you can tell when CG is there. It very rarely blends in with movies nowadays. Movies back then when they used actual explosions and the like where more believable with their effects since those effect blended in since they were actually tangible. CG can look rather tangible and fitting to the movie, but this depends on how they pull it off.
You should go watch Pan's Labyrinth, if you haven't already.
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But I hate teh spaniards!1!
I haven't watched it yet for some reason.
Also, Supa, you amaze me sometimes.
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I like it when they use puppets in films, they should do it more often.
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But I hate teh spaniards!1!
I haven't watched it yet for some reason.
Also, Supa, you amaze me sometimes.
It is a goddamn excellent movie. And all the stuff that would be done with CGI in a run-of-the-mill movie is doen entirely with makeup and the like.
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It is quite a good movie.
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I think it's a critic's job to slate something if they get the general feeling that the majority
of the population will enjoy. It's cool to be "indie" and "different".
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I think it's a critic's job to slate something if they get the general feeling that the majority
of the population will enjoy. It's cool to be "indie" and "different".
Having a person think for everyone in the world never works.
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Having a person think for everyone in the world never works.
In other words, critics are failures. But then again, money... yeah.
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Well looking at various critics' reviews could help you have an idea of what you're going to watch. But then again...
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Behold, one of the most infamous bad reviews ever: http://www.indiegamemag.com/free-downloadable-game-eversion.html
if you don't know anything about this game, go look it up or play it. It's clear that this reviewer never played past the first level.
Also this is the same, but for film: http://www.examiner.com/x-13573-DC-Indie-Movie-Examiner~y2009m8d25-District-9-and-the-failing-of-CGI-effects
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The name even sounds sinister.
But after reading an actual review, it sounds goddamn terrifying.
****, I wish that the link wasn't 404'd on my end.
EDIT: Found a mirror aaand...****.
That's a scary game.
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I'm glad that I've gotten someone new to play it. Now if only I could find a free download for the HD version (because I can't buy stuff online, due to various reasons...)
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Yeah, or maybe he had the good courtesy of not mentioning the finer points of the game, thus not tainting the new player's expectations.
A courtesy you two both lack. For shame.
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Hey, I didn't mention anything specific.
And that this:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4eRJubcCr2Q/SUpd-AA--KI/AAAAAAAABic/1m_-1kUh72k/s1600/eversion.png)
Can theoretically give you nightmares may pique some peoples' interest.
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Yeah, or maybe he had the good courtesy of not mentioning the finer points of the game, thus not tainting the new player's expectations.
A courtesy you two both lack. For shame.
>implying that I specified anything
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>implying that I specified anything
He greentexts on forums!
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I'm not a he! ;D
And yes, yes I do. Three places where I hang out do it all the time as well.