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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: ThexXtremeXx on April 30, 2010, 06:25:39 PM
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Okay, so I just stated using Ubuntu 10.04 and I just wanted to ask, is anybody else using Ubuntu at the moment?
In case you dont know what ubuntu is, here's a summary taken from the website.
What is Ubuntu?
Ubuntu is an operating system built by a worldwide team of expert developers. It contains all the applications you need: a web browser, office suite, media apps, instant messaging and much more.
Ubuntu is an open-source alternative to Windows and [Microsoft] Office.
Discover Ubuntu »
The Ubuntu promise
* Ubuntu will always be free of charge, along with its regular enterprise releases and security updates
* Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from Canonical and hundreds of companies from across the world
* Ubuntu provides the best translations and accessibility features that the free software community has to offer
* Ubuntu core applications are all free and open source. We want you to use free and open source software, improve it and pass it on.
Embrace the Ubuntu Philosophy »
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I've known about it since they start it. But I've never used it. Mainly cause I am still afraid of compablity issues. But I havent heard too many bad things about it.
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You could use the LiveCD to test it out
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Let me ask my Mum later; she's an Ubuntu nut.
Edit: QUESTION: MISINTERPRETED!
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Uh...ok.
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It sounds neat, but it must be a pain finding software that's compatible with it.
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Not really, they have this thing called Wine that lets you use most things on windows.
I feel like im advertising.
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That's cuz you are.
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Yep, and for a good cause.
We need more free things in our lives. Ubuntu could be the free operating system.
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I've known about it since they start it. But I've never used it. Mainly cause I am still afraid of compablity issues. But I havent heard too many bad things about it.
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My main drive was an Ubuntu before it fried due to my graphics card actually being too outdated.
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You could use the LiveCD to test it out
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Ubuntu gets a lot of things right, but at the same time it gets a lot of things wrong.
Finding compatible software is not really the issue: consider that the OS comes with a program that connects to a repository with tons of software that you can install just by selecting (even more if you add extra repositories with even more software). Think an Add/Remove Programs where you can actually add.
The issue is finding compatible software that does what you want. The issue is also sometimes finding compatible hardware: don't expect USB peripherals to magically work as well, although there's a lot of work done in this area that makes it easier now than it was a few years ago.
The main benefits for switching to Ubuntu (or any Linux distro, for that matter):
- Cost: Free, obviously
- Open Source: Very few people ever actually dive into the code for their OS, but if you're an idealistic type of person, you may choose Linux just because the source code is open and free.
- Windowing Systems and Widget Toolkits: Because of the way windows and themes are done in most Linux distros, there's a lot more freedom in themeing your OS to look the way you want. And desktop effects like the 3d cube are fairly easy to install or enable.
- bash, zsh, or Shells in General: Most of Charas probably doesn't care, but there are countless benefits to having a good shell and supporting tools. Makes life easier.
If you're not a programmer, or not willing to learn how to deal with a Linux system, it may not be worth the effort. Hell, I'm a programmer and personally I run Windows 7 (but I do have to know how to work a Linux box anyway).
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Hm, sounds interesting and such... but as moose said,
If you're not a programmer, or not willing to learn how to deal with a Linux system, it may not be worth the effort.
Obviously, I am not a programmer. Still, pretty interesting.
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coughEXCUSEScough.
but in all seriousness, i see your point osmose.
Just asking though, what devices do you think you'd have problems recognizing? I might start programming soon for things like this.
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they have this thing that lets you use most things on windows.
Well that's more than Vista can say.
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coughEXCUSEScough.
but in all seriousness, i see your point osmose.
Just asking though, what devices do you think you'd have problems recognizing? I might start programming soon for things like this.
Up until the last 6 months or so, I could say a second monitor and be mostly correct, but that's improved. It's the drivers.
It's more as a general rule; Windows thrives because of the widespread support. This includes everything under the sun having a driver for Windows so that it can work properly. Windows comes pre-packaged with gigantic libraries full of drivers, and most peripherals these days are plug-and-play, meaning that they contain their drivers and upload it to your machine when you plug them in.
From both personal experience and from what I've read, driver support on Linux is not too stellar. Game controllers, usb sound, etc.
I could be wrong since I don't use linux for anything other than server stuff these days, so your best bet is to look up if your stuff works. Most likely, if it doesn't, someone ran into the problem and posted about it.
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Other than being free and open source, what does Linux do that should be appealing to me over a retail OS like Windows?
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Other than being free and open source, what does Linux do that should be appealing to me over a retail OS like Windows?
What do you use your computer for?
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For Gaming, Ubuntu is kind of useless.
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For Gaming, Ubuntu is kind of useless.
At the moment it is, but it has the potential to get better with a larger community and more support.
That may be coming soon seeing as Dell is taking an interest in it.
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For Gaming, Ubuntu is kind of useless.
This has been, by far, my largest barrier to entry for any OS that isn't Windows. It's not that I use my computer exclusively for gaming, but I certainly have a bit of a game library that I'd like to access from time-to-time.
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*coughdualbootcough*
I'd go 100% Ubuntu, but I just don't like GIMP, and Jasc doesn't work too well in WINE. Maybe for five minutes, then it crashes. Ubuntu supports a lot of the equipment I need for my work in motherboards without Vista restricting the **** out of everything and ****ing up my EEPROMs. Plus, it's totally safe for online shopping and purchasing without worrying if a trojan is stealing your info.
You can always run Windows on Virtualbox to play games, but Ubuntu can handle simpler games with WINE (Diablo II, DOS games with DOSBOX, and Fallout 1 on my own experience).
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*coughdualbootcough*
And this is how I used it, before my OS torched and I lost my disc.
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To be honest, Ubuntu and all the linux freeware is good for 2 things.
1. People don't even bother to make viruses for it.
2. You can use some sneaky programming skills to lock up your files in case the police decide to bring your computer in fro illegal downloading.
Other than that - it's pretty useless. It takes some time to learn, it has a lot of uneccessary stuff(more than a MAC) and is not really that different.
You need to rely on other people to get things to work for it. New Windows live is released - now we need to wait for some guy to make the latest windows live to work for Ubuntu.
Also, there's no tech support.
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Also, there's no tech support.
That is a blatant lie.
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That is a blatant lie.
I know.
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I forget how socially retarded I am, my apologies.
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1. People don't even bother to make viruses for it.
Precisely the reason my mother uses it.
2. You can use some sneaky programming skills to lock up your files in case the police decide to bring your computer in fro illegal downloading.
Precisely the secondary reason my mo- wait what?
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Your mother downloads kiddie porn.
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To be honest, Ubunto and all the linux freeware is good for 2 things.
1. People don't even bother to make viruses for it.
2. You can use some sneaky programming skills to lock up your files in case the police decide to bring your computer in fro illegal downloading.
Other than that - it's pretty useless. It takes some time to learn, it has a lot of uneccessary stuff(more than a MAC) and is not really that different.
You need to rely on other people to get things to work for it. New Windows live is released - now we need to wait for some guy to make the latest windows live to work for Ubunto.
Also, there's no tech support.
To be honest, you're full of it. But in responding to your trolling, I put together a decent amount of info about Linux, so it's worth posting.
1. People don't even bother to make viruses for it.
Lie. People make viruses for Linux-based operating systems all the time, especially considering that the majority of servers in the world run some sort of Linux. The case can be made that there are less viruses overall for desktop distros, but even then that's not a good picture of security.
Consider Keith, a friend of mine who runs Arch Linux on his desktop, and a Linux server as well (I think running Ubuntu Server). Because he lives on campus and has an open SSH port, he gets bombarded every couple of days by people trying to hack into his computer (and by extension the whole school network). He knows what he's doing and is able to prevent this, and the risk is less for home users, but never act like it's not there.
2. You can use some sneaky programming skills to lock up your files in case the police decide to bring your computer in fro illegal downloading.
Drive encryption is not a sneaky programming skill and Windows can do this too.Windows calls it BitLocker drive encryption. In Linux, there's several ways to enable drive encryption; I believe the installer for Ubuntu offers the option in a very nice checkbox that requires no programming.
Even then, it just encrypts your files so that they can only be decrypted with a password. Evidence of downloading from the initial detection is still enough to get you convicted. Also, there are certain situations where the police can legally require you to give up this password.
"It takes some time to learn"
Valid point. But you get so much by learning it; the power of the command prompt, the unrestricted ability to control your computer, truly free software, etc.
"It has a lot of uneccessary stuff"
Not quite sure what you're trying to say; is it that it comes with too much stuff or that there is too much stuff available? The former is a distro problem, not a Linux problem, and the latter is called having a choice.
Macs choose to limit what you can do in the name of simplicity; Linux lets you decide what's best, not someone else. If you consider things like a powerful shell prompt unnecessary, you haven't learned how to use one properly. For example, I spent 2 hours this morning trying to remove the hacked code from the website using what little I had for Windows. It would've taken me 6 times as long if I didn't have Cygwin, which is a port of several popular Linux programs to Windows.
"is not really that different"
If all you do is launch Firefox, yes, it won't be that different. If you actively try to set up things like a new OS theme, install new software, configure things like Samba sharing, etc. Then you start to see just how different things really are.
"You need to rely on other people to get things to work for it."
Uh, the same goes for Windows. What, did you program the new version of Windows Live yourself?
Furthermore, most major IM clients for Linux probably already support the new version of Live that came out: the big one is Pidgin, and not only does it support a new version of the Live protocol as soon as it comes out, it supports AIM, IRC, XMPP, and every other major chat protocol or network, all in one client.
Realize that it's not them making the latest Windows Live work for Ubuntu, but rather making it work for the chat client you use. These things aren't things that have to change or even use the OS exclusively, they're purely application-based problems.
"Also, there's no tech support."
That you even rely on tech support for fixing your problems is hilarious (95% of the time they have barely any idea what the problem is and cannot help you properly), but lets assume you are in a pickle and need help.
Odds are one (http://www.linuxhelp.net/) of (http://www.linuxquestions.org/) the (https://help.ubuntu.com/) many (http://ubuntuforums.org/) support (https://help.ubuntu.com/community) sites/forums (http://fedorasolved.org/) can help you. Specific problems have probably been dealt with dozens of times, and solutions can be a web search away.
So please, next time, don't mislead people with blatant lies.
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What do you use your computer for?
Pretty much standard computer use. IM programs, web browsing, emailing, gaming, listening to music. I really see no appeal in any Linux derivative except for the no viruses, and appeal to programmers
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Your mother downloads kiddie porn.
I KNEW IT. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
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Pretty much standard computer use. IM programs, web browsing, emailing, gaming, listening to music. I really see no appeal in any Linux derivative except for the no viruses, and appeal to programmers
God, just try it. I bet if you were a newbie at Computers and you heard that Windows had millions of viruses and shitty tec-support you'd be crawling to Linux or OSX. Oh and since your the general PC user, how about the MeMenu? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu)
Just freaking try it, you don't even have to install the damn thing. Just use the live freaking CD. It's a Half hour of your life, sheesh. (depending on your internet connection.)
Also, Dual Booting.
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I would rather not waste ANY of my time on an OS that I can see no real beneift from at all. If you're that inistent on pushing this down people's throats, at least have a good argument.
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Rename it "Quagsire", and Hobo will be all over it.
I'm sure he'll ignore the irony.
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I love how someone have to make a stupid statement for the good stuff to be written.
If anyone needs to know what Ubuntu is: Read Moose's post.
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If anyone needs to know what Ubunto is: Read Moose's post.
But I want to know what Ubuntu is, Prpl.
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Fixed his spelling, because it was obnoxious on purpose. Gogo admin powers!
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ZOMG ABUSIV ADMINjk,jk,we love you ozzy
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GET IT NOW
Xtreme, do you realize that you're opening the flood gates, here? Currently, both my father and brother are using Ubuntu on their computers due to a speaker driver fail and a virus. Now, I can no longer talk to my father without it being about some new little thing he found, or some problem he's having figuring out something, or both. Don't force it on the casuals, it'll bite you back.
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This thread is starting to get a little problematic. Can we stop forcing it on others and/or complaining so much? It's obnoxious all the way around.
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This thread is starting to get a little problematic. Can we stop forcing it on others and/or complaining so much? It's obnoxious all the way around.
M'kay.
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Charas Project- where an operating system is more inflaming than world politics.
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We're a bunch of pricks and nerds.
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I'd say something, but I can't think of a proper reaction.
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Can we stop forcing it on others
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Somebody call me?
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I think I've won
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As long as there is hope in this world, you will never win.
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Working on that