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Title: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 02, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
Yesterday, I saw a sign that said "DON'T WANT REPUBLICANS TO WIN? VOTE EARLY ON NOVEMBER 3RD!"

Today, November 2nd, is the last day to vote. Early voting was weeks ago.

Sneaky, sneaky.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 02, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Isn't voting mandatory in Brazil?
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 02, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
I followed this race more closely then others, but I still didn't vote.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 03, 2010, 01:42:30 AM
Voting's easy when you're aligned with one party. There's a magic button that fills it all in for you.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 03, 2010, 02:55:39 AM
An easy button, you say? Yes, that'd be my problem. No damn easy button.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Archem on November 03, 2010, 08:33:11 AM
I'm a non-voting felon, thank you.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: HackersTotalMassLaser on November 03, 2010, 05:13:22 PM
Screw voting! I have money!

and I am leaving this country at  some point, i hope.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
I don't vote.


Because i don't really believe in the democartic electoral process, unless its on a municapal level... I believe in the electoral process when applied to a municipal level.

Provincial I SHOULD vote for...but I dont. Lots of oil money in our voting in Alberta. My party of choice cant even get one seat in our parliament...I dont bother.


Somebody is bound to call me an asshat for saying so, but I quite like the model in China right now. Wherein Agricultural and rural areas are governed with a more socialist model, and urban and industrial centers with a more capitalist and democratic style.


Its all about money. And you cant take a landmass the size of the USA, Canada, China, Russia etc and expect one system to work well all arcross the board. Regradless of population density.




Honestly Im sick of canada. I dont know where you all get the idea that we have "free health care". I am in debt about 6 thousand dollars to the health board of Alberta right now....because I dont qualify for blue cross. Im moving to france one day.  And next year, when the collectors catch up to me, Im sure Ill owe another 20 thousand on top. After all, cancer treatment aint cheap...Canada's "free" health care is run on a provincial level...Im not sure why we havent all seperated into smaller countries. We get some manner of emotional attachment to the idea of one big happy country. We arent all happy...the north of canada is in a sub-third world state in many parts. Our resources are sold back to us at double and triple the cost, because of National incentives for Oil refineries to station themselves in certain provinces. If all the oil comes from Alberta, and Has to be refined in Ontario before being sold back to us....I dunno. Everything is rosy in other parts of canada. But I don't live in the same country as they do. I dont care what the borders say... Ontario is another country then where I live...I just dont need a passport to cross the border is all.


All cold aside....I loved this place. Now after years of busting my *** to be driven into debt because I needed surgery and treatment....sure, I receive Employment Insurance when I lose my Job....and sure, they cant turn me down at a hospital....but Something about the debt that follows this....dosent seem right. Im trying to forumlate a plan wherein if Im still alive in 5 years, Im getting the hell out. There are countries out there doing things the right way, and I want in.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 03, 2010, 08:23:10 PM

Honestly Im sick of canada. I dont know where you all get the idea that we have "free health care". I am in debt about 6 thousand dollars to the health board of Alberta right now....because I dont qualify for blue cross. Im moving to france one day.

My professor made us watch sicko then write a paper on it... =\ Was pretty ****ing gay. She loves moore and thinks canada is awesome. I don't know. I'm pretty divided on my political opinions, but even I can see moore's bias as all hell.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 08:25:21 PM
My professor made us watch sicko then write a paper on it... =\ Was pretty ****ing gay. She loves moore and thinks canada is awesome. I don't know. I'm pretty divided on my political opinions, but even I can see moore's bias as all hell.


**** Michael Moore. That whole movie was based on ONE PROVINCES HEALTH CARE. Ontarios. **** Ontario.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 03, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
It's funny how every argument against michael moore never brought up that point.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 08:30:35 PM
Seriously, when I watched that film I was angry...like, white knuckles angry.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 03, 2010, 08:34:17 PM
It kind of makes me mad now that this woman is my professor. Funny quotes from here...

"Look! Canada has free health care! Why can't we have free health care??"

"Believe me, not everyone with a Ph.D is what you'd call 'smart'."

Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
It kind of makes me mad now that this woman is my professor. Funny quotes from here...

"Look! Canada has free health care! Why can't we have free health care??"

"Believe me, not everyone with a Ph.D is what you'd call 'smart'."



Not to mention, It was never "free" anywhere. The Insurance Premiums are added to our taxes...that was in the old days. Now in alberta, you need to pay cash to get a doctors note. And there is a cash charge you need to pay before you even see a doctor in a clinic.

Free. Ask you teacher what planet she comes from where ANYTHING is free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Or free anything.

Honestly, I want to phone your professor and tear a strip out of her. Ask her if she wants to talk to a real canadian about our lovely health care system. Ill tell her how an abulance ride cost me 600$ last year. Ill tell her about the bill collectors, and my credit rating being ruined because I have Scoliosis. Ill send her photocopies of my bills. Ill tell her about the Beds that get cut back every year at mental health facilities forcing low-threat mentally ill into the streets without the treatment they need to contribute to society, driving up the homeless rate in a city thats known for 8 month -20c and colder winter (that could have been given two weeks of treatment to save their mental state and return them to their domestic lives and families)

I can tell her about my friend who inheirited a debt after his mother passed away for her ten plus year battle with Bone-marrow Cancer. And when my bills come in for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma treatment, Ill send her those too. Maybe she can hold a Michael Moore Movie Marathon fundraiser to help me pay my debts off before the ****ing tumors come back. **** your prof


But then again, "those who can't do, teach"
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: drenrin2120 on November 03, 2010, 09:03:38 PM
Sorry, Gem. I didn't mean to get you all riled up. =\ I've met a lot of weird professors where I'm going now. A lot of radicals, people with dumb views. I guess that's just where they end up because no one else wants to deal with them, a community college.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 09:25:22 PM
Im not even that riled up. I just like to rant about things that really piss me off. There is only about 4 things that really piss me off, and "educated" people spouting dumb crap is one of them. Another happens to be my country turning to crap and nobody seeming to notice.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 09:32:19 PM
No.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: SaiKar on November 03, 2010, 10:33:03 PM
Free health care is never free. It just has the young supporting the costs of the old. As the young, I don't like that. But then again, as the young, I also like my parents being alive and healthy, so there's a bit of a conflict there. Still, from what I've heard of european countries full-coverage health care, it's not exactly the walk in the park that they always claim it is. Ben's rant seems to mirror the testimonies of several of my other friends, including a guy about my age that I know who is becoming a doctor over in europe.

Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Grandy on November 03, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
Radicals are cool people.
They fight the powah and doesnt afraid of anything.

Don't badmouth radicals just by being radical.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Archem on November 03, 2010, 10:42:17 PM
Free health care is never free.
Freedom isn't free. 'Merica.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Prpl_Mage on November 03, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
We have to pay for medicine and that stuff. But the rest is on the goverment aka the taxpayers. I don't see any problem with it though. People shouldn't have to starve just to cure a disease. And if I lose some of what I earn so that others can have a better life - so be it. It's not like I need all those munnies anyway.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2010, 11:10:32 PM
I think what Sai was referring to with "Young and Old" was the baby boomer generation in relation to the younger ones that followed.
Im not sure if the "baby boomers" term applies to places outside of north america, but the premise is that when WW2 ended, and all the soldiers had kids....there was a huge surge in population in the USA and Canada. This generation is called the baby boom. Because there was a boom...in babies. All the soldiers came home and nailed their wives, in a nutshell.

It was anticipated that the baby boom would result in an even bigger boom in babies. But it didnt. It lead to the genration that started to question the nuclear familial unit in north america. It spawned the Feminists, the Racial Activists, the "Hippies" and drug culture (as we know it today). Homosexuals started really coming out of the woodwork then. And divorce rates began to increase.
This generation had the Gen X'er, Generation Y, and now you dudes, the "Millenials" I think they call it.

The generations that followed the baby boomers are smaller then the baby boomers. The boomers are old now, and a burden to the tax dollar of the "Young" in north america theese days. I think thats what he meant. Its todays seniors he is referring to, not seniors in general. When we are old, we wont be the same burden to the young as todays old are. As there are so many more elderly beginning to receive old age pensions and what not. And the health care systems are burdeoned by this as well, on account of...well, theyre all old now, and need pills and crap.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 04, 2010, 12:53:24 AM
See! Now, if everyone was Swedish, the world would be a better place.

The Swedish are like the elves of our Middle Earth.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: fruckert on November 04, 2010, 01:50:42 AM
Purple elves are the best elves.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Zerlina on November 04, 2010, 02:54:27 AM
Yes. Purple elves.

Purple elves with sensible furniture you can put together out of the box.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Prpl_Mage on November 04, 2010, 02:17:36 PM
The reason why Sweden works might be because we are only about 9million people. The states (and Canada for that matter) are pretty large compared to Sweden.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Zerlina on November 04, 2010, 03:46:41 PM
We're mostly a lot of empty space actually.


(http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/health/resources/physician/physicians_figure2.gif)

EDIT: I was looking at the map and laughing at the fifth province from the left (on the south side) thinking "Hahahaha, no one wants to live there...screw you- ONTARIO!? Aw dangit."
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 04, 2010, 04:05:43 PM
The US is actually pretty sparsely populated too (though not as sparse as Canada). The US has, I believe, the 3rd largest population but is only 178th in terms of population density.

That's because we have states like Wyoming with about 500,000 people. Think about that. The city I'm currently living in has almost 800,000 people, and it's only the fourth-largest city in Texas. My not-even-that-big city has significantly more people than an entire state -- and not even a tiny state like Rhode Island, a decent-sized one.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2010, 06:07:07 PM
the problem with population density readings like that...Is those red dots are all one shade.

that red patch in ontarions south should be a brighter red. Much denser.



Seriously though, Look at those dots. Now tell me that there is no natural seperation between east and west in canada.

Its hard to gague our population density as opposed to our habitable land. Honestly, the red patches are only going to get more red, and the white are just going to stay white. So many mountains and hills and so much tundra and marsh in the north. Its like...Hyboria
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 04, 2010, 06:11:40 PM
It's like you're all huddled up next to the US.

Like you're coming onto us or something.

Creepy.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2010, 06:35:51 PM
It's like you're all huddled up next to the US.

Like you're coming onto us or something.

Creepy.

More like YOU GUYS are huddled next to US.


war of 1812, The one where we beat you... that one, we were fighting to keep that strip of habitable canadian land. For some reason we sold you guys alaska for one dollar though. Well, not us, but the Hudsons bay company did. That was a mistake
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Valiere on November 04, 2010, 06:39:37 PM
Come on. Like you need more nigh-uninhabitable tundra. Take that dollar.
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Zerlina on November 04, 2010, 10:59:05 PM
 
It's like you're all huddled up next to the US.

Like you're coming onto us or something.

Creepy.

We'll take you out to dinner first...come on...
Title: Re: Votin' day
Post by: Archem on November 06, 2010, 03:47:44 AM
Hey, with today's economy, we're always up for a free meal.