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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Grandy on December 13, 2011, 02:45:44 AM
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We get it. You don' like Justin Bieber. Or Rebecca Black. Or Kanye West. Or Martinho da Vila NOBODY CARES. Listen to what you want to listen abd leave those who like these guys listen what they want to listen.
God, I hate the Beatles, I really do. Not because of what they wrote or composed or performed but because they amassed the most annoying fans that could possibly exist, to the point they have fans who are their fans because it's cool to be their fans.
So I see this discussion on the internet, this picture; the four Beatles, and the caption "Real music doesn't go out of style after a few years."
Guess what? The Beatles did. Don't believe me? When was the last time you saw someone blasting Nowhere Man out of their speakers? A band covering Eleonor Rigby? Hell I doubt half the Beatle fans of nowadays stop themselves to listen to Beatles songs nowadays. The Beatles went out of style, except amongst the group of people who listen to them. nothing wrong with listening to them, but stop treating it as if they were some sort of intergalaxical magician-god-musicians who came to earth in order to revolutionize the music genre (which they didn't, they were part of the movement; they did not start the movement)
And know what? Know what? BEATLES ARE NOT THAT GOOD!
YEAH! I SAID IT! **** JUST GOT REAL!
They started as a quarted of pretty boys with bowl cut hair singing sappy songs and who became a hit thanks to the hard work of marketing towards the teenage girl. Get that, the Beatles were a band of four Justin Biebers. Before it was cool. But I'm pretty sure I'll be lynched because I pointed a group of pretty boy musicians have any similarity to a prettyboy musician.
I LIKE THEIR SONGS. A bunch of their songs. But take in consideration they composed like one hundred of songs and it'd be really embarassing if some of those didn't stick. But seriously, I find it hard to find a music more bland than "Michelle", for example. And guess what I'M ENTITLED TO THAT OPINION, so stop berating me for having it.
"Well if you don't like them you can just like, keep it to yourself, man" yeah I could. But that won't work because everyone flaunts their love for the Beatles whenever music is brought into question. If I'm discussing musical tasted and mention I dislike the Beatles, my opinion henceforth will be discarted because "I have no taste".
BITCH I HAVE A DIFFERENT TASTE
And it's not just the Beatles oh no. In Brazil we have Raul. Raul Seixas. I like the guy, I really do. But goddamnit guys he wasn't perfect, he abused drugs, he died young due the drugs, he didn't write the lyrics for half the songs he wrote, and for each good song he has one that is repetitive and best forgotten.
Yet whenever I watch a video of him in youtebe the comment is all like "This was the true Prophet, and his passing will forever be remembewred as one of the worst things to befall music" yadda yadda NO. The music was good! Not Messiahnic!
I'm not kidding about the religious thing either, Raul sang a lot about exoterism and phylosophy, and people really refer to him as "The Prophet" and such. They do it unironically, too.
Now these guys I usually ignore. They are much less vocal than Beatle fans. I just dislike the fact nobody seems to discuss Raul's music at all, instead just opting for the "I'll be vague and godfy him" approach of acquiring top comments. The guy's lyrics have a deep meaning guys, let's talk about it, what could he mean with that werid expression he made up, for example, or just how does his "take me away extraterrestrial" song relates to nowadays "I don't want to live in this planet anymore" meme. There's lot we can talk about his songs! No? Much better than just say "He was, like, a musical god, man" and leave it at that? I'm not sure half the people who write this about him even mean it anymore.
Rolling Stone fans. They are lesser versions of Beatle fans. They are okay in my book.
Oh yeah, people who compare musician's careers to talents. **** that. My best friend does that and **** him. (It's good to have a best friend because even if he finds out about this, he'll just go 'yeah **** me' and high five me. Then slap me on the head.)
What I mean is like, people who go "Hey this musician is like, just a musician. The other guy however is a musician AND has a doctorate in music AND knows how to fly a plane". Know what? Good for him. I admire a guy with multiple talents. Know what? If I ever find myself in a plane with both musicians and the pilot has a heart attack (no doubt due the fact he just learned both musicians are sitting in his plane) and one of the musicians is like "I got this" and flies us to safety I'll be like DUDE THAT'S AWESOME!
The chances of that happening is infinetely minor if compared to the chances of me listening to both musician's songs. And I'll judge how good they are as musicians based on their music. Are they as good musicians as they are human beings? Don't know, don't care, if I did I'd never listen to Michael Jackson.
Which by the way isn't all he's touted to be. Still pretty good.
In the end, where does my musical tastes fall? I have none. I listen to anything, if I find it to be good. I Can't stop Loving You/Ray Charles, or Amaranth/Nightwish, or **** You/Cee Lo Green, or the Dragonborn song from the Skyrim OST.
In fact if it was a musical genre, "OST" would be my favorite genre. I like background music. Games, Movies, whatever, I just love them. Emerald Hill Zone, Back to the Future, Gusty Garden Galaxy, The Shire (LotR), and so on and so forth. I doubt that is considered "real music" and probably hurts my view on the bands I bashed before.
That or openings. God I love cartoon openings. A lot of them are catchy and you can dance for it. That's all I ask from most songs.
On an outer space adventure~
They were hit by cosmic raaays~
And their forms changed forever~
In some most fantastic ways~
NO NEED TO FEAR THEY'RE HERE!
JUST CALL THE FOUR! FANTASTIC FOUR!
Love that thing.
So yeah, I kind of went in a tangent here and I'm not sure what message I wanted to communicate anymore.
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Reed Richards is elastic
Sure can fade from sight
Johnny is the Human Torch
And Ben just loves to fight
CALL THE FOUR! FANTASTIC FOUR!
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You're being a bit hypocritical. You say that you hate the fact that people won't leave justin beiber fans alone but you're publicly berating beatles fans and accusing them of being shallow trend followers which is a fairly innacurate and sweeping statement.
Not to mention that you're kinda ranting at the wrong crowd. We're hardly gonna get up in your face for insulting the beatles :p
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You're being a bit hypocritical. You say that you hate the fact that people won't leave justin beiber fans alone but you're publicly berating beatles fans and accusing them of being shallow trend followers which is a fairly innacurate and sweeping statement.
If Justin Beiber fans are as annoying as Beatles fans, sure.
However, I see people bashing Bieber himself, not the annoying fans... or they bash any fans at all, be them annoying or not. There are nice Beatles fans, those are okay in my book. There are nice Bieber fans, those are okay in my book, too.
Beatles fans also have this "immunity" that Bieber fans don't, which doesn't help my opinion on them.
For example, once in the internet I told someone I disliked the Beatles. He was offended by my opinion and said "Go back to listening your Justin Bieber and leave the real music to us". Well, not only he was implying I am a fan of Bieber's, but also try to invert the situation:
"Go back to listening your Beatles and leave the real music to us Bieber fans" doesn't work, you see.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but it feels wrong.
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What I mean is like, people who go "Hey this musician is like, just a musician. The other guy however is a musician AND has a doctorate in music AND knows how to fly a plane". Know what? Good for him. I admire a guy with multiple talents. Know what? If I ever find myself in a plane with both musicians and the pilot has a heart attack (no doubt due the fact he just learned both musicians are sitting in his plane) and one of the musicians is like "I got this" and flies us to safety I'll be like DUDE THAT'S AWESOME!
*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_dickinson)
But anyway, while I agree that you're being a little hypocritical and even a little inaccurate, I can agree to some extent. Honestly, I don't care much for the "legendary" acts out there. Not to any extremes, anyway. I listen to Led Zeppelin, but they're not on my list of favorite bands or anything. I enjoy the Beatles, but I don't listen to the all the time. I loathe Aerosmith, and I avoid Jimi Hendrix. But I don't wave the hate flag. No point. People love the music, and I have a laundry list of bands that I simply adore, but get a lot of disrespect paid towards them. I have plenty of top-tier bands that I enjoy, but I seem to enjoy the runner-up famous bands more often than the multi-platinum rock gods. Rush, ZZ Top, Black Sabbath, Santana, and so on. You know, the big bands, but not the ones constantly being toted as the best there ever was (save Black Sabbath, I suppose).
That said, I can't stand popular music from the past ten years or so. Don't care that most rock bands have the same lame sound, how the rap and hip hop is mostly obnoxious, lacking creativity, and carries the same themes, how pop... Well, I've always hated pop. But my point is that most music, particularly radio-friendly music, is just awful to my ears, and I avoid it like the plague. I don't hate the people who listen to it, I don't hate that they enjoy it, and I don't hate that the artists are doing what they do. I just hate the music. And I'm not typically vocal about it.
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Don't get me wrong Grandy, I mostly agree with you too. Live and let live is supposedly what music is all about.
I suppose the thing that annoys people is that less commercial sounding music quite often doesn't even generate enough following to stick around these days. There's still good stuff being made if you know where to look though...
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Okay, yeah, I was a bit of an hypocrite.
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I don't think that the music in movies and video games aren't real music. A composer wrote it, and performers performed it. Why wouldn't it be considered as real music? (As a classical performer I definitely feel that is real music.) A lot of background music is complex and takes a lot of time and effort. :P
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In fact if it was a musical genre, "OST" would be my favorite genre. I like background music. Games, Movies, whatever, I just love them. Emerald Hill Zone, Back to the Future, Gusty Garden Galaxy, The Shire (LotR), and so on and so forth. I doubt that is considered "real music" and probably hurts my view on the bands I bashed before.
The only reason "soundtrack" (because OST just means official soundtrack) is not a genre is because a soundtrack is a collection of multiple songs from all kinds of genre. And soundtracks ARE considered real music. For example, that Lord of the Rings you mentioned won Best Original Score and was nominated for Best Original Song.
As to video game music, it is being taken more and more seriously over the years. Since the last decade, film composers have started working on video game music, bands have written songs for it and awards are being awarded for best music and best song.
Now to the rest of your post, I honestly don't care. You sound like one of those whiny bitches you are actually ranting about.
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I'm not bugged by people claiming a band to be the bestest in the world. I roll my eyes whenever someone says that the music in the 60/70/80/90s were better than the crap these days.
The only songs we remember from those times, and the kind of music that is glorified isn't the crappy songs. There were just as much crappy songs back then but what's the point of bringing them up or play them again? We won't remember all of Lady gagas bad songs, hell, we only hear the songs they decide to play on the radio ect.
A lot of songs are fading with the passing of time while the hits of an artist is what is carried over to the future, especially those with music videos.
The beatles made some catchy songs but also made a whole bunch of crap. This doesn't mean that they are a bad band but those bad songs are still there, no band is perfect.
What I like about video game music and movie music is that it represents the feeling that's being converged at that time. When I play super mario I don't want to hear hard rock singing about the murder train. I want that catchy tune that belongs there. A battle song needs to portray the battle, an overworld song for a devastated mountain filled with bugs can't sound like an forest. It feels like music (the kind you hear on the radio) is more about reaching out to people and is therefore more affected by people's taste and fanbase. A video game or movie on the other hand focus on what fits in what moment.
What bugs me these days are video game songs with lyrics. I have nothing against it in openings and credits, but it feels kinda wrong to hear a guy singing in the background when I try to beat the final boss of the game, get me the instrumental version during the fight and throw in the lyric version at the credits please.
ps: I like rant-grandy
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Man, this aways happens to me. I write a rant late at night, then sleep, then realize my rant wad just random complaining about nothing at all.
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I still stand by a lot of what I said though. Am I a whiny bitch? Perhaps. Because I was driven into whiny bitching after weeks of reading people talking about "real music", how it died and so forth.
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Man, this aways happens to me. I write a rant late at night, then sleep, then realize my rant wad just random complaining about nothing at all.
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I still stand by a lot of what I said though. Am I a whiny bitch? Perhaps. Because I was driven into whiny bitching after weeks of reading people talking about "real music", how it died and so forth.
Music is real to the ear of the beholder. They complain that music isn't like The Beatles, I complain that music isn't like Cold and KoRn, the hippety hoppers want it be like Lil' Blak Boi and The KFC's. The best you can do is shrug your shoulders and say "Eh, I don't like them so much. I prefer [insert band you like]" and let the extremists be.
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Music is real to the ear of the beholder. They complain that music isn't like The Beatles, I complain that music isn't like Cold and KoRn, the hippety hoppers want it be like Lil' Blak Boi and The KFC's. The best you can do is shrug your shoulders and say "Eh, I don't like them so much. I prefer [insert band you like]" and let the extremists be.
I do.
That's why I'm bothering you guys and not them.
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Grandy, I wrote a big reply, but in the end I thought, "Well, **** this, I don't want to be part of that discussion."
You don't want to be part of the discussion, yet you still felt the need to post this line?
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If these rants are going to be a new thing, I'm going to have to request that you format them so they don't look like complete crap.
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We should have a rant forum.
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That'd be the most whiny, bitchy thing ever.
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Saying "I was going to [X] but I didn't" is probably the most useless thing ever.
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It's almost like saying "I was
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EDIT: Lesson learned. Don't put an x in brackets. It makes bullet points.
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If these rants are going to be a new thing, I'm going to have to request that you format them so they don't look like complete crap.
And I'll rant about it.
In the most roundabound and obnoxious way possible. WITH CAPSLOCK and bolded words AND BOTH
Then we'll see who's writing like complete crap!
Me!
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Rant about:
- Bullet Points!
- Brackets!
- The letter "X"!
- Combinations of the two!
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I used to rant, but then I took a
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I used to rant, but then I took a
Putting a modern spin on it, huh?
So I've found the best thing on Charas.
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Indeed...
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Grandy, it would have been easier of you put it like this.
Justin Bieber is the Beatles from this age. Or, conversely, the Beatles were the Justin Bieber from the old days.
You know why? Back then, the Beatles weren't all loved by everyone either, just like Elvis Presley or, well, any artist from that period. It was the music of the devil, kind of how Justin Bieber is the devil's music now.
Not to say I don't like the Beatles, I actually do. But I also like Kanye West, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Take That, and a bunch of other stuff you guys don't give two feces about. Not so much Justin Bieber. I don't hate it, but it just isn't my music (too R&B, not pop enough). But yeah, anyway, back then people were music snobs, today people still are music snobs. Big whoop, as long as they leave me alone. As long as I'm not force-fed Nirvana or whatever is hip and "not-mainstream" these days.
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Bad example. Him is pretty ****ing terrifying.
Bieber? Decidedly less so.
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I really hate the Metallica x Megadeth eternal war. Thank GOD this is going away since they played together on the Big 4 tour and recently on Metallica'a 30 years shows, in which Mustaine actually played with them.
They're both the best metal bands out there, if you like one bette than the other, stuff it, nobody cares.
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Metallica
best metal bands out there
No. Just no. Overrated crap.
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Hey, look, Al posted. Awesome.
But I have to agree with Drace. Metallica is average at best, and they seem to have more fans than they really deserve. They had some good stuff a couple of decades ago, but they don't seem to have anything worth listening to now.
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Good to see you all! I'll try to come back, but life's been pretty busy...
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It's cool. We all have lives and stuff, so it's understood.