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Title: Dragon World Demo
Post by: DragonBlaze on February 07, 2005, 02:43:42 AM
Yay, I have an updated version of my dragon world demo. These are the new things I have added since the last demo. Technically it dosn't go much further than the last demo, but I did add a bunch of new scenes, extended scenes, and I gave a little hint to how the story will unfold later on in the game. And most importantly I added a new cbs, and you get to battle with 2 of the 3 characters in it.

Demo Link: http://www.myriadcreations.net/dragonworld/DW.zip

Note: I tested this extensivly, but I'm guessing there were some glitches I missed, if you find one, please inform me so I can fix them :)

Note: I'm not posting too much info on the story. This game will only be about 6 hours long completed (more if you do the side quests and such). Thus posting more info on the story and background would give away some stuff (spoliers) that I don't want people to know untill they actually play that game. :)

Background info: You are one of four "dragon sword masters" (I'll just say DSM for short). They're basically just what the tiltle sugests, dragons who fight with swords. The swords they use are forged by there very soul, and thus they are connected to it forever, even after death. These swords are known simply as "soulblades".

Story: Seven years ago, a dark dragon known as Zersevick (who is actually yellow), leads the DSMs into a forest to attack a group of humans, for no other reasons than just because he thinks they are inferior. Even though you don't think its right, you follow blindly, untill at last you can't take it anymore. You stand against Zersevick and the other two DSMs, and it leads to a battle. You fight your hardest but alas left lying on the ground in a pile of blood uncouncious.

You wake up a few days later to find your sword is gone, and thus your spirit is gone as well. Giving up on life you return to your home hoping to be executed, but instead your made to fight. The massicre didn't go to well with the humans, and needless to say it led to war.

Now seven years later you're on a mission to take a near by town. Will the sight of innocent blood spilt recindle your feeling for standing up against the DSMs once again? But even if you do, will the humans even exept your help? Join DragonBlaze on his quest to find his place in the world, and his journy to regain his soul.


I know the story seems relitivly simple, and thats because it is. Since this game will only be around 4 - 6 hours long when its done, I can't make is as complex as a full legnth game. However throughout the whole game your learning more about yourself and the event that happened 7 years ago, then you're stuck between two worlds (dragons and humans) and you have to decide what is the right thing to do. I also have a lot of character developement. I'm hoping that will more than make up for the simple story line.


Characters:

DragonBlaze - Soul Element - Fire. DragonBlaze is only a nickname that your character goes by. After he lost his soulblade, he felt as though he died, and cast off his real name. Besides loosing his blade in that battle, he also lost his wings, and lost most of his power, which makes things a lot more difficult for him thoughout the game. At the begining of the game, you don't know much about him, but as the game progresses, you unviel many secrets.


Kyruto - Soul Element - Ice. He is the lone survivor of the incident 7 years ago. Since then he has been living in a deep underground cavern in the cave where the dragons live. His reasons for living there are virtually unkown, exept for the fact that he is afraid of society, again, for reasons unknown. He and DragonBlaze have become close friends in the time they have known each other.

Yara: - Soul Element - Lightning. She is one of the most skilled Dragon Slayer's in the world. She is very honest and nobel to other humans, but when it comes to dragons she is sly and ruthless. She takes great pride in what she dose, and will continue to do her job untill it is finished - which is to kill DragonBlaze. Will she ever realize that the two of them are fighting for the same thing?


Zersevick - Soul Element - Darkness. Even though he is yellow, he is refered to as the dark dragon. Reason being is his soul element that is reflected through his sword. He believes that dragons are superiour to humans and is determained to kill or enslave them all. His other motives are unknown at the time. And simply by being the leader of the DMSs, the Keckshio and Valere (the other two DMSs) follow him blindly like DragonBlaze used to.


Features
-CBS
-Skill voice overs
-Sprite overlays for skills
-Use of 'combo attacks'
-some animated monsters
-Advanced Message Boxes
-Advanced World Map
-On screen map
-Location and 'enter' sign pop up when standing near location
-Blood and Vulgar settings
-Lots of my custom gfx
-Many Differant poses for my chars
-tons of minigames
-and more thats not really worth mentioning


And now for some screens :)

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Title: COOL game
Post by: Snort_X on February 07, 2005, 03:53:32 AM
Hi this is my first time here (cause i'm a newbie) , but I downloaded your game and its AWSOME :jumpin: Man I can't wait for the real version. (All that talking means that this is an AWSOME game and keep up the AWSOME work)

and I got questions:

How did you do the voices?

And how do you do screenshots?


-Snort_X-
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Post by: Robotam on February 07, 2005, 03:55:05 AM
This CBS looks a lot better than the last one.
*looks forward to play the game*

I'll try to play it tomorrow and then I'll give you some kind of review.
Great screenshots, btw.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 07, 2005, 04:06:55 AM
Thanks guys :D

 
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How did you do the voices?


I used a computer microphone and recorded em. I did the voice of dragonblaze and drenrin2120 did the voice of Kyruto. Those two characters are the only peeps with voices in this demo :D

I also modified them a bit with a wav modifier to give them a bit of a echo effect and to edit out most of the static.


 
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And how do you do screenshots?


When you play your game, get to the spot where you want to take the screenshot, then press the PrtScrn button. Go into paint (or another image program) and select paste (under the edit toolbar). That should be all :)
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Post by: GhostClown on February 07, 2005, 04:12:56 AM
Is this the one you wanted BetaTested, DragonBlaze?
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Post by: Snort_X on February 07, 2005, 04:16:53 AM
Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you, DragonBlaze, Thank you  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 07, 2005, 04:24:27 AM
 
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Is this the one you wanted BetaTested, DragonBlaze?


Yeah, but I don't like releasing games to just beta testers. Since I have dial up, it takes forever for my to download  anything, and twice as long to upload it. If my beta testers find a problem, I don't want to work on it and upload a new demo a few days later becuase it takes way too long  :( . So basically anyone who gives me any advice or reports any bugs is a beta tester. And if you give feedback, and would like to be recognized as a beta tester, just let me know and I can add them too the creadits. Its fun adding peeps names to the credits, it makes the game look more 'professional'. Well maby not... but close enough  :p
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Post by: GhostClown on February 07, 2005, 04:32:41 AM
Heh, okay, doesn't matter to me if it's public or not, as long as the download works. So.. Alright I'll beta test it.
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 07, 2005, 04:43:40 AM
ok man i love the game and i was wondering what you used for the intro too cuz its great.....but there was one thing! i got stuck! im not talkin about where to go....for some reason when i was on the mine cart aka dragonblaze just walkin a track lol after i fought that "person" not giving it away it kept going until the next map you know where it speeds up? then it kept going until he hit the water and then i was stuck! i couldnt move at all other then that i like it and what did you use for the intro?
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 07, 2005, 04:50:48 AM
Hmm, to fix that error with the mining cart, just don't hold down the shift key as your entering the cart. I made the dashing script after I made the mines, and I forgot to adjust it to the walking speed if the dash is on. Otherwise the cart will move faster than its suppose to, and a glitch like that may happen.

 
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ok man i love the game and i was wondering what you used for the intro too cuz its great


Umm, your gonna have to be more specific , basically what part of the intro?  :)
Title: DUDE THIS IS AWSOME
Post by: Snort_X on February 07, 2005, 03:31:11 PM
Man, I finished the Demo and its AWSOME :jumpin: Man I can't wait for full version man this is cooooool!!!! :jumpin:

-Snort_X-
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 07, 2005, 10:40:41 PM
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Man, I finished the Demo and its AWSOME  Man I can't wait for full version man this is cooooool!!!!


Hehe, thanks  :D
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 08, 2005, 02:20:20 AM
im talking about the whole intro man i love it all!! like the music the dragin in the background while the words are going....did you use like windows movie maker or something?
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 08, 2005, 02:35:05 AM
wow, dude this is probably one of the greatest rm2k made games I've ever played. One thing though. And it might be me, but the lag is horrible! Horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but I think it's my gay computer. Anyway, keep it up!
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 08, 2005, 04:54:46 AM
 
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im talking about the whole intro man i love it all!! like the music the dragin in the background while the words are going....did you use like windows movie maker or something?


Well I guess I can go through the whole thing :D. For the background that was just a panorama that I edited. I used the \c

Hope that explaines everything :D


 
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wow, dude this is probably one of the greatest rm2k made games I've ever played. One thing though. And it might be me, but the lag is horrible! Horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry bout that, I can't fix lags on my computer since I don't experiance them, but I will do my best to get eliminate them. So far I know that the battle system lags on some computers, and that megatown lags on some as well. I'll try to work them out :)
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 08, 2005, 11:10:30 PM
in all seriousness dude, thel ag stinks, but if I had a better processor or just a better computer it'd be great. This is a great game so far, I'd give it a 9.99/10! Keep it going
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 09, 2005, 01:51:48 AM
Yay, 9.99/10,  :D

Anyway, I'm working on fixing the lag right now. The reason it was lagging in the town was because I had quite a few parallel process events that were triggered as soon as something happened. However, I can probably only have one parrallel process event in the city, and then when a condition is met, it will call the event that is suppose to occer at that time. That should fix everything in there. As for the battle, I have a few parrellel process events that only need to be on a split second that are running most of the battle, I can call these instead of having them as parrallel processes. That should help a bit, but the battle system still may lag in some parts. I'll try to optimise it more though to get rid of ALL the lags  :)
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 09, 2005, 03:21:10 AM
thanks man...and i cant wait for the whole game!!
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Post by: SleepAid on February 09, 2005, 04:08:28 AM
Glad I started to play it. I forgot what a kickass game was like.

Thingy #1 - you spelled maybe mybe or something like that when you pick up the last peice of wood for the bridge.

thingy #2 - you misspelled 'combine' (you speled it with an 'n') while explaining combo attacks.

Thingy #3 - after I try to fight right after he explains the combo thing, it  freezes. I'l try it again to see if it was just a one time thing.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 09, 2005, 04:34:49 AM
Thanks :D

I found out about the maybe typo a little earlier, but glad you pointed out the other one :D

As for the freezing during the battle, try playing through it again. Sometimes the battle system acts a little funny, if you play through it again I doubt you'll have that error. I'll try to find what caused it though  :)  If you don't want to listen to that intro again, you can always go into testplay and hold down shift to make the text go really fast. That should save you a few minutes :)
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Post by: SleepAid on February 09, 2005, 04:40:24 AM
No prob dude, and if you ever need additional voice acting, gimme a ring. :jumpin:

*cough*10/10*cough*
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on February 09, 2005, 09:17:25 PM
WOW. *speachless for a few seconds*

An impressive CBS and CMS... nice gameplay... miniml errors... 9.5/10, I'd say... definatly one of the best RM2K/3 Games I've played in quite awhile. The only problems:

1. Every now and then, the screen lags.

2. The screen is in a constant state of lagging on big maps such as Megatown.

3. "Maybe" is mispelled numorous times.

Other than that, only a few spelling errors, and I didn't seem to find any bugs except the lag thing. Graphics and sound were awesome, too... and the savepoint's sound is just funny!
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 10, 2005, 01:42:38 AM
 
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An impressive CBS and CMS


Umm, thanks, but just to let you know, I don't have a CMS  :p  Or are you talking about the menu system in the battles? Anyway, if I'd make a cms, it would basically resemble the dms, so I didn't find much of a point in making one  :|

Anyway thanks :D

Well I've heard a lot of positive feedback, but if anyone has any suggestions or negitive feedback please let me know, stuff on graphics, the story, music, gameplay (other than lags and spelling errors) ect. Allthough I love getting compliments and positive feedbacks on my game :D, it dosn't really help me make my game better  :)
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Post by: Dark Zero on February 10, 2005, 02:17:52 AM
Hehe, real nice, DragonBlaze, I also experienced a bit of lag, and as I told you, I could walk thru everything on the worldmap.  Did anyone else have this problem?  Being the impatient person I am, maybe it had to do with me running all the time?

And also: When I picked up the wood to go over that bridge... I could just walk right over the water... odd =/
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 10, 2005, 02:33:55 AM
Oh and in case I haven't said anything about this before, I would like to thank Dark Zero and Myriad Creations (http://www.myriadcreations.net) for hosting my game :)

The walking over the water part is one of the things I missed. It has something to do with the dashing script. If you push down shift as your being forced to move by an event, it will automatically stop the movement event, and most of my movement events start with a 'begin phasing mode' so if it ends prematurely, it won't stop using the phasing mode. I was able to fix this by turning the dash script off whenever an event forced you to move, but since the dash script was one of the last things I added, so there were a few events that I missed for turning the dashing script off. :(

I think I got them all fixed though now  :)
Title: Nice
Post by: Weerd Thing on February 11, 2005, 04:25:39 AM
I've gotten inspirarion from this game. Very nicely made. The battle system is the only thing that's weird in there. How did you make it? And another thing: That little map in the overworld. HOW?! I'm currently working on my Diamond Soul demo, and I've gotten inspiration from this game.

Finally, someone that doesn't mention the word "lag" in his post!

...Crap. I just said it.

W££rd Th¦ng
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 11, 2005, 04:41:27 AM
Yay, my game has made a real differance for someone  :D

For that map in the overworld, you can find a tutorial on how to make one at blade2k.net (in the tutorials section). The only 'hard' part is to get a picture of your world map and make to to scale. But if you take a screenshot of it in the editor without the grid on.

As for that battle system, its basically a bunch of events to run the system and algerithms to determain values for all the stats needed in a battle. As for how everything works, I'm not even gonna try to explain that here _sweat_ , if you want though i can write a tutorial that will explain the basics of how to make a custom battle sytsem  :)
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Post by: Robotam on February 11, 2005, 05:56:20 AM
Aw, I forgot to reply here. lol
You have really improved at everything I told you to improve at last time. :)
Here's the review:

Graphics:
The graphics were very nice, but in some places like in MegaTown the characters was a lot mixed up. Of course you can mix them, it's not bad, but it was a little too much mixed. I saw a guy in megatown who looked exactly like Reno (FFVII) btw. :p
And maybe the leader dragon in the dragon cave wasn't really the leader type, but that's not a big deal.
But there is something that is really impressive here and it is that you have so many cool graphics of dragonblaze and every single one is perfect that's why it's...
9/10 here.

Storyline:
I love the story, but sometimes I think it's a little simple but perhaps there will be a lot added to next time?
The characters, well there's nothing wrong with them.
I really do look forward to the other characters in the game, if there will ever be any that is.
However, the story is very good and I want you to keep it up.
8/10 here.

Mapping:
Of course, since this is probably one of my best talents at rm2k3 I will go extra hard here. ;)
The maps wasn't bad at all, but it was nothing I was really impressed by.
However, I don't think it's much of a big deal.
Some places can't look much better but some places can.
There's some secrets about how to make a map look really good, but these secrets you have to explore by yourself.
However the mapping is still very good. And I would be bad if I wouldn't give...
8/10 here.

Music and sound:
I liked the music a lot and I didn't hear any serious rips from any FF games or something.
The voices in the battles was pretty cool, I just can't  stop thinking about this one... "Burn 'em... Fire!"
So cool! XD
However I didn't hear much of Kyruto's voice, I'd really like to hear more of it.
And they where a little silent sometimes as well, not too silent but a little louder would do.
9/10

Game play:
I really did love the game play, so much added, so much fun. :)
The wood picking thing was in the first demo as well, but it's really awesome.
And the mine thing was a lot fun too, but there I think you could have made it a little more puzzle like. It was really just to press the buttons and then continue, a little simple but still fun.
And since the CBS kind of belongs to the gameplay it has to be...
9.5/10 here.

The finish score is "9/10", very good here.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 11, 2005, 09:31:49 PM
Thanks for the review  :D

 
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And maybe the leader dragon in the dragon cave wasn't really the leader type, but that's not a big deal.


Hehe, I did that on purpose, as the game progresses you will see that Zersevick is basically the one "running" the joint. I totally understand how you came up with that though :)

As for the mapping, I really don't like the town too much, so I'll probably redo a lot of that for the final version, same thing with the inside of the houses. I really don't like that town chipset either, I don't really think it matches too well with the other ones I use  :| . I'll be sure to rework them :)


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And the mine thing was a lot fun too, but there I think you could have made it a little more puzzle like. It was really just to press the buttons and then continue, a little simple but still fun.


Yeah you're right, I'll try to make that more like an actual puzzel, I don't know exactly how yet, but I will  :D


I'll work on improving all the otherthings that I didn't mention earlier as well  :)

Thanks agian!
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Post by: iishenron on February 13, 2005, 06:24:23 PM
Not to sound like an elitist bastard, but I did have a few problems with this game.

First, the walkspeed is way too slow. Run systems don't do anything but annoy the player. The walkspeed should be fixed.

Second, crawly text combined with autoclose text boxes are also incredibly annoying.

Third, the CBS itself is inferior to Rm2k3's DBS, is chipset based, and very, veeeeeeeeeeeeery slow. I'd suggest either moving to 2k3's DBS, or, if you've just got to have a CBS so you can brag about having a CBS, moving to RmXP.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 13, 2005, 06:57:12 PM
 
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First, the walkspeed is way too slow. Run systems don't do anything but annoy the player. The walkspeed should be fixed.


Almost every good game lets you walk and run in it, not really in rm2k3, but in profesional games such as final fantasy games, grand theft auto, diablo 2, ect. I don't see how giving a character the choice to walk or run would be annoying.

 
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Third, the CBS itself is inferior to Rm2k3's DBS, is chipset based, and very, veeeeeeeeeeeeery slow. I'd suggest either moving to 2k3's DBS, or, if you've just got to have a CBS so you can brag about having a CBS, moving to RmXP.


The DBS sux, and if you've played 50+ games that use the same battle system, I think you would want an alternitive as well. Besides if I was using the dbs, I couldn't use combo skills, or set it up exactly the way I want. In case you haven't realized yet, the dbs dosen't give you much customization. And if you think its slow now with chipsets, it would be twice as slow with pictures. Maby if I can get rid of all the lags I currently have in the battle system, I can move tworeds a pictoral battle system.

 
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Second, crawly text combined with autoclose text boxes are also incredibly annoying.


Lol, first your complaining about  having to push a button to run, and now your complaining that you don't have to push a button to go on  :p.


Look, I'm not gonna start using the dbs, and getting rid of all my systems just becuase someone likes using all the defult systems in rm2k3. Most people like to see new things, and like to get away from all the defult stuff. So if you don't like my game just because I use my own systems and gfx, well thats your problem, I'm not gonna switch to the dbs and get rid of half my systems just cuz one person dosen't like custom stuff.
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Post by: iishenron on February 13, 2005, 10:15:48 PM
"Almost every good game lets you walk and run in it, not really in rm2k3, but in profesional games such as final fantasy games, grand theft auto, diablo 2, ect. I don't see how giving a character the choice to walk or run would be annoying. "

Okay. Your normal walk speed is a crawl. Your "run" speed is still a crawl. This is boring, and having to watch my character take 2 minutes to walk a couple of tiles is ridiculous. Even if your run speed was manageable,  I'm almost always going to be using the run feature. Why? Sorry to break this to you, but you're not making a professional game. You're making an amateur game using graphics you've borrowed from other sources and an illegal engine. You're about as far from a professional game as Kansas is from Westphalia, Germany. And don't take it personally; that's true for my game or any other game made with Rm2k3.

"The DBS sux, and if you've played 50+ games that use the same battle system, I think you would want an alternitive as well. Besides if I was using the dbs, I couldn't use combo skills, or set it up exactly the way I want. In case you haven't realized yet, the dbs dosen't give you much customization. And if you think its slow now with chipsets, it would be twice as slow with pictures. Maby if I can get rid of all the lags I currently have in the battle system, I can move tworeds a pictoral battle system."

The DBS is highly customizable for people who take the time to learn what it can really do. There's nothing, nothing in your CBS that can't be done in Rm2k3's DBS. And your CBS is much too slow and cumbersome to even come close to the stability and ease of use of the DBS. Tile based CBS. Yep. And again, if you've just got to have this CBS, you'd be better off doing it in RmXP where you can take advantage of RGSS and code a stable CBS with systems a bit more imaginative than "combo attacks".


"Lol, first your complaining about  having to push a button to run, and now your complaining that you don't have to push a button to go on  :p."

Well, yes. The text speed is pretentious and absolutely ridiculous. I could go grab a coke and watch a TV show in the time it takes for your text to slowly crawl across the screen. And because it's autoclose, I'm forced to wait for it.

"Look, I'm not gonna start using the dbs, and getting rid of all my systems just becuase someone likes using all the defult systems in rm2k3. Most people like to see new things, and like to get away from all the defult stuff. "

As I've said before, your CBS is inferior to the default system in 2k3. There's nothing new in it whatsoever, and your own graphics? Where? I see a bunch of freely available resources in your game.

"So if you don't like my game just because I use my own systems and gfx, well thats your problem, I'm not gonna switch to the dbs and get rid of half my systems just cuz one person dosen't like custom stuff."

-Oh, I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one to find problems with your game as it stands now.

Hey, take it or leave it. My two cents. :)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 13, 2005, 10:42:58 PM
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There's nothing new in it whatsoever, and your own graphics? Where? I see a bunch of freely available resources in your game.


Um...?! Lets see you make dragon sprites like those! With all of the poses and everything! Lets see you make a dragon picture like the one he did for the special attacks! Come on, lets see it. All of those are custom. This guy's a friend of mine, and he's shown me some of his other sh!t. He made rmxp dragon graphics. Lets see you do that. As far as I'm concerned, you just like the easy way out and want to use the defaults...pff. Of course the default system is superior, it comes with the damn game maker! I for one, hate the dbs. But that's just me. I'm sure others do too. But just so you know, so far you're the only one who's had those kind of problems with this game. What do you use in your games? Rtp graphics? Ha, gimme a break.  _sweat_

Edit: Oh, by the way. The battle system actually isn't slow. It's just cuz your computer isn't new enough to where it can support the speed it needs. It was fine for him when he did it. It was a problem for me on my other comp, but on my newer laptop that I got, it's fine. Sorry, guess your computer just sucks...
Secondly: For the walk speed. Maybe he wanted to be realistic. For the average human being, you walk at a slow pace. So why not make it like that in the game? Then, when you run, you go faster. Realness in a game sometimes makes it cool. It's kinda stupid when your main hero can walk as fast as he would as if he was running, don't you think? Oh wait, that was already answered for me...
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 13, 2005, 10:48:24 PM
Well if the walking speed was that slow, it may have been a bug in the system, becuase the running speed wasn't suppose to be slow, if you reset the game and try playing it again, I'm sure you won't come across that bug again.

As for the dbs being highly customizable? Are you joking? Heres a list of 5 things that my cbs is capable of, that the dbs is not.
-Having your damage be whatever you want, not limited by the number 9999, or whatever is used.
-Limit meters. In the dbs you have a speed meter, mp, meter, and hp meter. But guess what, you can't have a limit meter if your using the other ones, in my battle system you can.
-Combo attacks. I'd like to see that done in the dbs...
-animated monster
-my own layout
-the list goes on and on

Now if you can do all that with the dbs, then your right. If you can't, stop critisizing my battle system  :badboy: As for the lag, either get a better computer, or wait for a new version of my game that dosen't have a lag, and if you would have read the posts before this, you would know that I allready know of the lags and am currently fixing them. But I doubt you would actually take the time to read a thread before you post in it.


 
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Why? Sorry to break this to you, but you're not making a professional game. You're making an amateur game using graphics you've borrowed from other sources and an illegal engine.


Well no ****, no one can make a profesional game with rm2k3 or rmxp or anything, why? cuz the engines are very limited on what they can do scripting and graphics wise. And no where in any of my posts did I say this was a profesional game. However that dosen't mean I'm not going to try to make this game as good as I can. Even a newb would try to make their game as close to a profesional game as they could.

 
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and your own graphics? Where? I see a bunch of freely available resources in your game.


Well first off most of those dragons (inlcuding the large sprites) where mede by me. A lot of npcs in there were made by me from other games. And I added my own stuff to some of those tile sets.

 
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-Oh, I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one to find problems with your game as it stands now.


If you would have read my first post, you would see a NOTE:. Now if you were smart enough to read that, it said there were probably lots of glitches in the game...


I don't mind being critisized on my game cuz critisizm helps me make my game better. However if your gonna be so stupid about this, bring it up to me in a pm instead of filling this thread with useless garbage.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on February 14, 2005, 12:11:48 AM
Damn, iishenron, dont be so hard on him. Of the few people who actually post demos here, this is a good one, with good graphics and systems. You may have room to speak, i dont know, I havent downloaded the games in your sig and played yet.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 14, 2005, 12:37:29 AM
whoa! and where the hell did you come from, iishenron?

I think you need to back off, if you think the game sux, jsut say so.
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Post by: Vicener on February 14, 2005, 02:04:29 AM
This game cbs is awsome but the text sits is not very impresive is prety simple. But it looks well.
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Post by: WIP on February 21, 2005, 04:14:38 AM
Well now. Here's a short review of what little I could bare to stand of this game.

1) Your intro is horrible. Slow and dull. H A V I N G   M E S S A G E S   C O M E   I N   L I K E   T H I S   I S N ' T   G O O D . Seriously. I can read faster than that. I even know how to hit the button to go to the next page of a message!

2) Okay. Into the game. I'm SOMEBODY on the screen and I need to go retrieve something? Alright then. Oh, figured out who I was.

3) BATTLE TIME. Things look below average. There is no distinguished text in the design at all. It all looks the same. Oh yay. Not only is your menu slow, but it's really slow. I think I'll attack. Surprise. The damage display is slow as well.

4) I guess that was the battle? Nothing special at all about this. Very slow and poorly designed. Nothing the DBS can't do.

5) Back to the map. I walk really slow. I can run a little bit faster, but it's just a hurdle. Instead of going fast all the time, I get to hold down a button for no reason. THEN I can go fast. Makes perfect sense.

6) Turns out I'm the guy with the big red nose.



And there you have it. You're trying to be different for the sake of being different. Instead of offering a solid gameplay experience, you instead fill it up with useless features (hi CBS). Just because it looks different, doesn't make it better or required.

Oh, and don't say it's my computer, either. If I can run World of Warcraft at 1024x768x32, I should be able to play a lag-free game of this calibre. It's creator error.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 21, 2005, 05:01:13 AM
Whatever you say iishenron. <.<
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 21, 2005, 05:53:25 AM
 
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And there you have it. You're trying to be different for the sake of being different. Instead of offering a solid gameplay experience, you instead fill it up with useless features (hi CBS). Just because it looks different, doesn't make it better or required.


You idiot, of course I am doing this to make my game differant. Why would anyone want their game to look like every other game made? I made the battle system for the same reason I made all my custom graphics, I could use the all the defult systems, and all the defult graphics, but then it wouldn't be my creation. The battle system may not be as good as the defult battle system, but it is my own work, and is differant than the battle system I have seen and used in hundreds of games.

For the lag, yes, it is your computer. I am sorry to say that but it dosen't lag on my computer, nor on the computers of half the people who played my game. And guess what, my computer is over two years old, and its a laptop, there is no lag, what-so-ever when I play it. So I'm sorry if there was a lag for you, but its kinda hard to detect when the lag dosen't even show on my old computer. IF you were smart enough to read the earlier comments, you would know that I allready knew about the lag from other people who played it, and I am allready planning to fix it.

 
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1) Your intro is horrible. Slow and dull. H A V I N G M E S S A G E S C O M E I N L I K E T H I S I S N ' T G O O D . Seriously. I can read faster than that. I even know how to hit the button to go to the next page of a message!


First off, my text has spaces, uses correct capatolization, and is readable. If you're in such a hurry to get through my game, then I don't suggest you even play it. I move it slow because it is important, and if I moved it at regular speeds a lot of people (probably you) would just skim it and miss some of the important details.

Now finally, if you don't have anything constructive to say, stop filling my thread with this junk, and thus wasting my time. Saying my game is "horrable" just because I take the extra effort to make a few extra systems that aren't in every game you play is just stupid. I like negitive feedback, it helps me improve my game, and every other negitive post on every other forum I posted my game at I was glad to get. Unlike you they gave suggestions on how to improve things, instead of just saying "I don't like this, get rid of it and use the defults".

Also note that this topic was rather old, you had no reason to dig it up just so you can try to argue with me. If its an arguement you want, this isn't the right place, and trust me, you're not gonna win this one.
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Post by: iishenron on February 21, 2005, 06:08:07 AM
"Whatever you say iishenron. <.<"

Someone do an IP check. I'm definitely not WIP.

Anyway, I've made my points earlier. Your game does lag, horribly. I'm running a 2.4 Ghz P4 and there's no reason why Morrowind can run fine on my PC, but your l33t game can't. As for the intelligence of me or WIP, we're reporting what we see. If you don't like it, then say "My game is absolutely perfect. I'm going to laugh at all criticism because if you don't think my game is perfect, you're obviously mentally deficient."


"uses correct capatolization" .... uh ... yeah.

Again, this point has been repeated. The text is too slow.

"Now finally, if you don't have anything constructive to say, stop filling my thread with this junk, and thus wasting my time. Saying my game is "horrable" just because I take the extra effort to make a few extra systems that aren't in every game you play is just stupid. "

- Constructive criticism is what we're giving. It'll be worth a whole lot more to you in the long run than all the "OMG THIS GAME R0XoRZ" posts you see here. And there's a reason not every game has the "systems" you've put into your game.

But hey, maybe WIP and I are wrong. Maybe RPG-Advocate who had much the same opinion over at War of the Magi is also wrong. Maybe this game really IS the best game to hit the community in a long time, and I should be taking notes on what to do to make a game that'll stand out and really be great. Maybe I should add a laggy run system and malfunctional CBS to my game. Hey, it worked for you, right?

Yep! So that's obviously what's going on. So, let's do this. GW is currently the largest English Rm2k community. I think it's a crime that you're depriving them of your great game. So go ahead, post it there, and say "iishenron and WIP are idiots because they think this game is less than perfect, but I know you'll enjoy it because I pwn him."  Spread the love.  :vampire:
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Post by: WIP on February 21, 2005, 06:09:43 AM
I guess my 2 Ghz Athlon XP 2800+ with 512 MB of DDR RAM isn't tough enough for your game.

Also of note, I never said your game lagged. I said it was slow. Slow battles, slow text, slow everything. Speed does not have relevance to lag. Lag is when you are processing too much for RM2k/3's engine and it chops down the framerate. That never happened in this game. You just didn't take any time to make it play fluidly, which is a trait of proper design. Instead of fluidity, you decided to instead draw everything out to ill-effect.

I'll admit I didn't offer any solutions to all the problems this game has. Here are some:
1) Stop trying to innovate and be different unless it makes your game better. It happens to make yours worse.

2) Cut the CBS trash. It offers nothing for your game. The DBS is much more stable and can do more than what you probably think it can.

3) Run button == wasteful button.

4) If you try to use words in "quotes", spell the word correctly.
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Post by: Red Fox on February 21, 2005, 12:30:28 PM
iishenron you have to be WIP.
Becouse:

1) Both complains about the game
2) On the last post you two made there is only 1 minute betwen your posts.

By the way gr8 game DragonBlaze
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Post by: Robotam on February 21, 2005, 12:57:16 PM
Iishenron, if this WIP guy *with his first only two post in this thread* is you or some friend you just called here to attack DB, please stop.
Everyone needs to hear negative opinions too, but saying it in the bad way doesn't make you earn anything. Or does it?
DragonBlaze knows that his game is not the best in the world, but he also knows that it's definatly not the worst.
And for the sake of god, don't only say the negative things with the game! _veryangry_
It's not like you didn't find anything positive or cool in the demo.
If you don't like it fine, but if this WIP guy is you or your friend you told to come here because you didn't want to be alone on the bad side, you've gone too far.
Stop talking like it's the worst game in the world.
And btw, don't start a war in this thread.
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Post by: WIP on February 21, 2005, 05:09:49 PM
I am not iishenron. I don't even know how to pronounce that. Is it so hard to believe ANOTHER person can have an opinion? That was my first post because I just now decided to register.

Either way, I only gave negative feedback because I never found anything good in the game. I value real depth over this flashy immitation. When this game attempts to be solid, maybe it'll get solid feedback?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 21, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
I love how when I read your posts, it has the exact flow of grammar and speech as iishenron. And like Robotam said, lets not start a war in this thread. Usually when you post something bad about the game, you give a suggestion how to play it. And sorry, but "get rid of the whole cbs" doesn't really help. He's not gonna get rid of it. Your computer sucks. And if you don't like the game so frickin much, don't play it. You and iishenron (or should I just say "you") are the only people who don't like the game here. So he's not gonna change it for two people (more like 1 person) who don't like the game for certain reasons that they cannot even give a suggestion how to fix. So, sorry, but you're SOL.
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 21, 2005, 06:19:17 PM
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WIPI guess my 2 Ghz Athlon XP 2800+ with 512 MB of DDR RAM isn't tough enough for your game.


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Your computer sucks..


You sir, are an idiot.
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Post by: WIP on February 21, 2005, 06:19:39 PM
My computer does not suck. iish and I didn't say the same thing. Maybe if you would actually read what I say, you would realize I never said the game lagged. It was just mind-numbingly slow in every respect. Good games aren't slow.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 21, 2005, 06:25:30 PM
Oh great, now you guys dragged another noob in to argue. [Forever Zero] the computer sucking response was directed at iishenron. The reason being that even though he said that he has a good comp, there's a lag. Now, I have one comment to the three of you:  
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And btw, don't start a war in this thread.

So if you don't mind, shut the hell up.  _sweat_
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Post by: iishenron on February 21, 2005, 06:44:26 PM
Ace: I've seen CBSes a lot more complicated and feature-driven than the one in this game run smoothly even on my old P1 200 Mhz PC, not to mention this one. Sorry, the fault here is entirely with the maker of the game. As I said before, I can run Morrowind on this PC, so there's no reason why a Rm2k3 game should run so slowly. Unless you want to argue that Dragon Wars is more intensive than Morrowind.  :)

All I've done is given my opinion. But, again, if the creator of this game doesn't want criticism, he should say "praise only". If you open the floor for C&C, expect to get it.

And with that, I'm done. I've given my piece, and if the creator isn't interested in improving his product and making a game that can be competitive with the better games in the community ( which right now it is not ), then hey, nothing more I can do.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 21, 2005, 06:55:35 PM
iishenron: It's great that you've given your opinion, but when you give negative feedback, NORMALLY you have a suggestion to improve it. Your suggestion was just take out this, and use this, cuz yours sucks. He's proud of his work, and isn't gonna remove it just because one person says to. If you read earlier posts, you would've seen that he's trying to remove different lags. Be sure to read earlier posts before you comment.

WIP: Your problem with things is that things such as the text is too slow in many areas. Well, usually that adds a little bit of a real feeling to it. Lets say that he had a narrarator for the beginning. Do you think that the narrartor would talk ridicualously fast? No, he'd talk slow to add some suspense. Well, that's kinda what DB was trying to do.

[Forever Zero]: Don't flame.

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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on February 21, 2005, 06:58:59 PM
Hey, we're not here to debate who's who or argue, we're here to give constructive critisim to the game. I'm no moderater, but I'd like to remind you to say on topic. Thanks.  ;)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 21, 2005, 07:14:18 PM
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Hey, we're not here to debate who's who or argue, we're here to give constructive critisim to the game. I'm no moderater, but I'd like to remind you to say on topic. Thanks.  ;)


Indeed. Sorry, just had to comment. Obviously DB knows I think he's game is good, but just to stay on topic, Your game is great DragonBlaze! :D
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 21, 2005, 10:49:16 PM
My computer runs at less than 2 ghz, has an integrated graphics card, and is over two years old. Not to mention its a laptop, which aren't even as good as the desktops made at the same time as this computer was. My game dosen't lag at all, on my comp.

If you would have read my post before replying, you would know that I said I like negitive feedback. Heres a quote of what I said, please read it this time.

 
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I like negitive feedback, it helps me improve my game, and every other negitive post on every other forum I posted my game at I was glad to get.
 

Now, the differance between everyone elses negitive feedback and yours is that you're just telling me to scrap everything thats differant about my game. That dosen't even help me at all.

I took into consideration some of the things advocate said at WoTM, for example, he said something along the lines of switching to a pictire based battle system, so I'm probably gonna do that.

 
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And there's a reason not every game has the "systems" you've put into your game.


You are absolutly right, its because most people don't know how too. But 95% of the poeple who know how to make a cbs, and are willing to take out the time to make one, will make one.

 
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If you don't like it, then say "My game is absolutely perfect. I'm going to laugh at all criticism because if you don't think my game is perfect, you're obviously mentally deficient."


Once again I have to say, your an idiot. Why? because you're not even reading what I typed. Thus you make yourself look like an idiot, by just typing the opposite of what I said. Don't make me bring back the quote of "I like negitive feedback". What you're giving me is "scrap everything differant about your game, cuz I like using the defult stuff in all the games I play".

Heres an example of what you could have said, that would actually be helpfull iishenron on your first comment.

What you could have said:

1. Holding down the shift key to run all the time gets kind of annoying, maby you could add an option to turn the dashing system on and off.

What you said:

 
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First, the walkspeed is way too slow. Run systems don't do anything but annoy the player. The walkspeed should be fixed.



What you could have said:

3.You're battle system isn't too great, maby you could make it better by...

What you said:

 
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Third, the CBS itself is inferior to Rm2k3's DBS, is chipset based, and very, veeeeeeeeeeeeery slow. I'd suggest either moving to 2k3's DBS, or, if you've just got to have a CBS so you can brag about having a CBS, moving to RmXP.



See what I'm getting at? Your critisizm dosen't help me one bit.

As for you W.I.P., I have a feeling you may be iishiron or he told you to join this. I don't know why anyone would go into an old topic, and restart the arguement. Especially since you left started again on the same things iishiron just said. And what makes it even more suspicious is that your a complete noob to this site, and yet you dug up my topic which was really old and posted stuff in that instead of posting to active threads.

Now iishenron, W.I.P., if you're not going to have anything worth while to say, just shut up and save everyone some time. If you wish to give me suggestions on how to improve something (not just taking it out) feel free to post here. You've allready made your point about the lag, and even before you got here, I said I was in the process of fixing that.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on February 21, 2005, 10:56:01 PM
OWN3D!  (J)
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Post by: WIP on February 22, 2005, 06:30:27 AM
Maybe if you would read MY posts, DB, you would see that I'm not iishenron. I never said your game lagged. I said you're a horrible designer, not programmer. Big difference in bringing RM2k3 to its knees and driving a stake through my head because everything is so slow.

What does it matter if I'm a complete noob to this place? This game and topic was brought to my attention, so I downloaded it and played it. I felt the need to register an account and post, hoping you would realize the many flaws in your game. Instead of willing to accept that your game ISN'T the new christ, you simply call me an idiot and claim I'm someone I'm more than obviously not.

I'll reiterate what iishenron said: if this game is able to mend the wounds in every man's heart, post it at GW. GW is the largest english community around. Why deprive them of eternal youth?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 22, 2005, 11:22:29 AM
If you're not gonna give any suggestions as to how he can change the game to make it better WITHOUT removing it, then just shut up. Your posts in this thread are worthless. All you're saying is "Your game sucks, and the only way you'll make it better is if you change the whole fricking thing for me!" So, I'll quote Robotam once more, because you just don't seem to get it:

 
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So once again...

 
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Post by: SleepAid on February 22, 2005, 11:45:21 AM
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What does it matter if I'm a complete noob to this place?


Usually it's because the new people don't know **** about game designing.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 22, 2005, 10:07:32 PM
WIP: Let me congratulate you in wasting 4 out of 5 of your very first posts; flaming. What do we have for him, Bob?
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Bob: Well, dren, a brand new boot! Which he can shove up his own ***!

*applause*

Now, if you will excuse, I've said what I've had to say, and I will be on my way!
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Post by: Leon_1990 on February 22, 2005, 10:37:13 PM
stop complaining WIP, Its hard 2 do a cbs like tht , I'm amazed Db managed it : even if it does lag, im sure he can sort it out
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 22, 2005, 11:50:14 PM
The reason I pointed out that you were a noob wasn't because I thought you were a poor designer or anything, it was because you just came here and dug up an old topic to start an arguement up. When I go to a new forum, I usually check the topics that are active, not ones that no one has posted anything in for over a week.

I never said you were iishenron, I said this

 
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As for you W.I.P., I have a feeling you may be iishiron or he told you to join this.


Notice the "OR" statement.


 
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This game and topic was brought to my attention, so I downloaded it and played it.


I don't know how it was brought to your attention, but considering you were basically saying the same things iisheron said, I had my feelings that you were either him, or like I also said, maby he just talked to you and "brought it to your attention".

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I felt the need to register an account and post, hoping you would realize the many flaws in your game. Instead of willing to accept that your game ISN'T the new christ, you simply call me an idiot and claim I'm someone I'm more than obviously not.


Another reason why you are an idiot, you signed up just to flame my game. And as far as I can tell, the reasons you don't like my game is because it runs too slow on your computer, and because you don't like the systems I made. But if you would have read my topic, you would know that I was gonna fix the lag, I have said it numerous times through out the thread. A lot of games are better than mine, but there are also a lot of games that are worse, and so its stupid to single out my game to flame out of the many at this site. I call you an idiot not because you don't like my game, its just because you act so stupid. I don't know if your 10, or you just like to argue, but please stop wasting my time, I have much more valuable things to do rather than point out all your stupid comments.

But you know what, if you hate my game, just say it. But don't go dig through my project and dig up everything thats wrong with it and saying every thing I made sux. If you really think that a good game needs to have all the defult stuff in it, then go ahead and make a game like that, just don't keep bitching at me that i made my own stuff that I made.

And if you would give me a copy of your game, I'm sure I could dig up a bunch of faults with it too.

And I will post this at GW, but that will only be my final version. I'm sure when I do, everyone won't say that it sux because you have the choice to run, or that it dosen't use all defult systems. I'm sure that a few people won't like what I did, but its imposible to make everyone like ones game.

Now as I said countless times before, stop wasting everyones time by posting garbage in my thread. If you want to say something constructive, go ahead, if not, just shut the hell up!
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 12:17:19 AM
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And I will post this at GW, but that will only be my final version. I'm sure when I do, everyone won't say that it sux because you have the choice to run, or that it dosen't use all defult systems. I'm sure that a few people won't like what I did, but its imposible to make everyone like ones game.

Then you OBVIOUSLY haven't ever been to GW.
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Post by: WIP on February 23, 2005, 12:19:37 AM
I did give you constructive criticism. You need to scrap the worthlessness of your game. It's in no way my fault that worthlessness includes most of your 'awesome' features.

In the chance you don't scrap them, at least make them worthwhile. So far you're just wasting cycles. You need a REASON to make a CBS. Just because you want to be OMG DIFFERENT, isn't good enough. Because then it becomes OMG WORTHLESS.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 12:35:55 AM
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Then you OBVIOUSLY haven't ever been to GW.


So just because I want to wait till June when I have my full version of my game done to post my game up at Gaming World, dosen't mean I've never been there. Please stay out of this thread from now on, the only thing you've done is flame AoS, and now you're just saying (for no reason) that I haven't been to GW.

Heres the edits I made in my post that you probably missed W.I.P.

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I felt the need to register an account and post, hoping you would realize the many flaws in your game. Instead of willing to accept that your game ISN'T the new christ, you simply call me an idiot and claim I'm someone I'm more than obviously not.


Another reason why you are an idiot, you signed up just to flame my game. And as far as I can tell, the reasons you don't like my game is because it runs too slow on your computer, and because you don't like the systems I made. But if you would have read my topic, you would know that I was gonna fix the lag, I have said it numerous times through out the thread. A lot of games are better than mine, but there are also a lot of games that are worse, and so its stupid to single out my game to flame out of the many at this site. I call you an idiot not because you don't like my game, its just because you act so stupid. I don't know if your 10, or you just like to argue, but please stop wasting my time, I have much more valuable things to do rather than point out all your stupid comments.

But you know what, if you hate my game, just say it. But don't go dig through my project and dig up everything thats wrong with it and saying every thing I made sux. If you really think that a good game needs to have all the defult stuff in it, then go ahead and make a game like that, just don't keep bitching at me that i made my own stuff that I made.

And if you would give me a copy of your game, I'm sure I could dig up a bunch of faults with it too.  


Now heres new stuff that I must add because you are continuing to be an idiot.

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I did give you constructive criticism. You need to scrap the worthlessness of your game. It's in no way my fault that worthlessness includes most of your 'awesome' features.


Telling me to scrap something is not constructive critisizm, and only a 10 year old or complete noob wouldn't realize it. I've beta tested a ton of games, when stuff is bad, I tell them how they can improve it, I don't tell them to just scrap it. And aparently its not "Worthlessness", because it seems that just about everyone else likes it.

 
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So far you're just wasting cycles. You need a REASON to make a CBS. Just because you want to be OMG DIFFERENT, isn't good enough. Because then it becomes OMG WORTHLESS.


Most people like it, I can't help it if you don't. But if you think you can do better, just try it. Tell you what, lets both make a tactical battle system like in FFT in rm2k3. We'll see who can do better. Hey, if you can't do that, I guess I could settle making a normal battle system. I'm sure if mine is just junk, it means you could do a lot better. Thus I want to see you try. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE A BETTER BATTLE SYSTEM THEN I CAN, THEN DON'T YOU DARE SAY MINE IS WORTHLESS!!!

You're really starting to get on my nerves, if you continue to act like an idiot, I'm gonna start being nasty to you. I usually try to be nice to people who act respectivly, but you don't fit in that catagory.

Darkfox: Quote Bug fixed. Remember to capitalize.
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 12:43:09 AM
He has been giving you constructive criticism all along. You're better off using the default Battle System if your CBS offers nothing the DBS doesn't. Yours obviously is poorly programmed and causes lag. So yeah, it'd be best to scrap it.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 12:55:39 AM
ok, if you don't think that my battle system dosen't do anything the dbs can't, then I have a little chalange for you.

In the dbs, make animated monsters, a custom layout, have sprites that can walk around and move, and a background that can move, have differant text boxes, make combo attacks, make a shapeshifting character, make a character that can leave the battle for a few turns and return in the same spot they left, make effects for the monster when it dies, make limit breaks that have a meter or something, have damage be partially determained by level, have a picture desplayed on the map, make certain numbers such as hp, mp, and dameage break the 9999 berier, and finally, have more than 4 heros fighting on your side at one time.

If you can do all of that with the dbs, then I'll switch to the dbs, if you can't, then it proves you are wrong in saying it can't do anything the dbs can't.

You also don't know what constructive critisism is. First off, constructive means builing something up or contributing to making something better. Taking a system out of my game dosen't make it better. If you dissagree, talk to all the people who like my battle system.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on February 23, 2005, 01:00:57 AM
DB, please go back and close your quote tags. It's confusing...
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Post by: Darkfox on February 23, 2005, 01:05:45 AM
Fixed it. Remember to capitalize, the code is case sensitive.
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Post by: WIP on February 23, 2005, 01:31:17 AM
Ah. A programming challenge. I accept. I'm a programmer, so I have a little experience in the field.

I'm creating a game, too!
Battle script. (http://www.rpgmaker.net/~wip/tfwi/code/battle.pys)
That is the code that controls my battle system. Let me know if it makes sense to you. All the code is 100% mine.


This is a Metroid fangame created in the engine named ika. Every bit of the code was made by either myself or the other team's programmer. I worked on the game's interface and general backend. Things such as the automap, equipment, and input. That sorta thing. I also created a lot of the HUD (heads up display).



It's more than obvious I would win when it came to both design and programming. I'm usually up for a pissing contest, but it's no fun when the odds are stacked for me.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 01:46:39 AM
Will you please read my posts? I said in rm2k3 dumbass, not ika or whatever your using. Now I have one more reason to call you an idiot.

So will you make a tactical battle system in rm2k3? That was the original question I had asked, it seems I have to repeat myself frequently in order to get you to read it.
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Post by: Wildwürger on February 23, 2005, 02:32:08 AM
WIP already said he accepted.  The coding was to show that he can handle more complex things than RM2K3 already, so this shouldn't be too hard for him.  Him wasting time making a tactical system in Rm2k3 ( which I'll admit will look like ****) won't be worth it though.  You and your buddies will just say yours is automagically better no matter what.  

So I guess you are right.  WIP is a dumbass.

WIP, YOU SUCK!
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 02:51:10 AM
You are the 3rd person who has made their first post by dissing my game. And each time "some noob" comes, its after iishenron reads this thread. So I have a feeling someone is making all these new accounts or someone is telling people to sign up and diss my game. If someone is doing this, then stop and talk to me yourself on your original account, stop trying to bring more people into this arguement (or simply make it look like theres more people on your side), cuz its really starting to get annoying.

So Wildwürger, I don't want to see you posting anything else in this thread. If you really have something important to say to me, just send me a pm, but I don't want all these "first post noobs" spamming in my thread.

As for the battle system, what you can do with rm2k3's scripting is very limited, thus making a tbs wouldn't be so simple if you know visual basic, C++, ruby, ect. And if W.I.P. feels otherwise, have him say something.

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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 03:36:17 AM
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You are the 3rd person who has made their first post by dissing my game. And each time "some noob" comes, its after iishenron reads this thread. So I have a feeling someone is making all these new accounts or someone is telling people to sign up and diss my game. If someone is doing this, then stop and talk to me yourself on your original account, stop trying to bring more people into this arguement (or simply make it look like theres more people on your side), cuz its really starting to get annoying.

So Wildwürger, I don't want to see you posting anything else in this thread. If you really have something important to say to me, just send me a pm, but I don't want all these "first post noobs" spamming in my thread.

As for the battle system, what you can do with rm2k3's scripting is very limited, thus making a tbs wouldn't be so simple if you know visual basic, C++, ruby, ect. And if W.I.P. feels otherwise, have him say something.


Don't flatter yourself, they've all given you constructive criticism, but it's not in your favor, so it's obviously flaming! Honestly, open your eyes.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 03:49:59 AM
Hmm, well actually, according to most people, my game is better with a cbs. Taking the cbs out wouldn't be "constructive" to my game. I don't mind if you give me suggestions on how to improve systems I have in the game, but please don't tell me to remove them.

Oh and [ForeverZero]

Remember when you said this:

 
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Then you OBVIOUSLY haven't ever been to GW.


Well I did a little background check, you are not even a member of GW. the only name that comes close to yours has 0 posts. Now, with a comment like yours, I would think you have been to GW. In fact, I did a check on everyone who sided with iishenron, and it seems like none of them are members of GW. I know WIP also said something about how I should post my game at GW and see what they think.

And since all of you had 0 posts before posting here, I have come to the conclusion that all your accounts are made by the same person. iishenron was however a member of GW, and had a decent number of posts, yet everyone mentioned GW.

One last thing that makes me believe you are all the same person, I have never seen any two of you on at the same time.

Its really sad that you have to make multiple accounts so it appears as people agree with you. I haven't had to say anything to the people who said good things about my game or defended my game when you showed up.

From now on, I only want to hear from iishenron. All you other noobs that just signed up to flame my game, just get the hell out of here.
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 03:53:48 AM
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Hmm, well actually, according to most people, my game is better with a cbs. Taking the cbs out wouldn't be "constructive" to my game. I don't mind if you give me suggestions on how to improve systems I have in the game, but please don't tell me to remove them.

Oh and [ForeverZero]

Remember when you said this:

 
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Then you OBVIOUSLY haven't ever been to GW.


Well I did a little background check, you are not even a member of GW. the only name that comes close to yours has 0 posts. Now, with a comment like yours, I would think you have been to GW. In fact, I did a check on everyone who sided with iishenron, and it seems like none of them are members of GW. I know WIP also said something about how I should post my game at GW and see what they think.

And since all of you had 0 posts before posting here, I have come to the conclusion that all your accounts are made by the same person. iishenron was however a member of GW, and had a decent number of posts, yet everyone mentioned GW.

One last thing that makes me believe you are all the same person, I have never seen any two of you on at the same time.

Its really sad that you have to make multiple accounts so it appears as people agree with you. I haven't had to say anything to the people who said good things about my game or defended my game when you showed up.

From now on, I only want to hear from iishenron. All you other noobs that just signed up to flame my game, just get the hell out of here.

Do an I.P. check, idiot. Also, I post under the name Masamune- at GW. WIP is also a member, way to look. If you even bothered to check, I registered before you did. I just never bothered to post until Iish was talking about your game, so I decided to check it out. But yeah, we're all the same person!
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 04:03:00 AM
IP checks don't work to well with a lot of connections. With my dial up connection, my IP changes eveytime I go on the internet. So an IP check won't do too much good.

Oh, so you're saying iishinron told you to post here. I thought it was one of the two earlier. If you don't believe me check my earlier posts. Telling people from other sites to come here and side with you is almost as sad as making multiple accounts on your own. If I told a bunch of people I know to come here and side with my game I could as well. Unlike you guys however, I don't need to, people like my game without me having to tell them to like it.

I guess no one would side with iishenron though, so he was forced to get people on his side, rather sad...

So since you just came here because of iishenron, just leave. You should have better things to do that flame me and my game, if you don't, you have a very sad life.
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 04:06:44 AM
He didn't TELL me to come here, he was talking about it on IRC, and I decided to check it out. Stop assuming everyone's against you. Not everyone thinks your game is "zomg awesum". And yeah, an I.P. check would work. Seeing as WIP lives in Utah, FD in Virginia, and I live in New York.
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Post by: WIP on February 23, 2005, 04:13:58 AM
Me (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?showuser=151)
iishenron (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?showuser=180)
 Masa (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?showuser=11149)

Here's hoping logic can somehow persuade you.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 04:16:50 AM
I guess you are an idiot as well. I don't know what iishenron told you, but I'm guessing it was along the lines of "This dude Dragon Blaze is full of himself because he won't listen to me". What he actually said isn't important though, the thing that is important is that he said something (probably negitive) about my game. Thus natuaraly you're gonna come and check on it, however since iishenron is your friend, you're gonna side with him no matter what, even if you thought my game was the best game ever made.

Just the fact that he was complaining or whatever would most likely lead you here, so its not much better than simply asking you to post here.

You'd know this if you knew anything about psycology.

Get a life and find something else to do than dis my game! Believe it or not its not that bad! I know there are a lot of things I need to fix in it, but there are good things about it. None of you even hinted at one of these, or even gave the slightest bit of a compliment, the thing that really got me pissed though is that you're posts all say the same thing, and they wouldn't help me improve my game one bit.

If you have nothing that would contribute to my game, please don't even bother posting. It just makes you look like an ***, if you don't believe me, a bunch of people allready thing you are. I didn't even have to bring anything remotely about this topic up and they still said it.

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Post by: WIP on February 23, 2005, 04:19:40 AM
We've told you what sucks in your game. You just refuse to accept it. Your CBS is bloated and slow. How is that awesome?
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Post by: [ForeverZero] on February 23, 2005, 04:20:57 AM
Get over yourself. I suggest you READ and COMPREHEND what we're saying to you before you assume **** like so. If you think we're gang-banging you just because Iish finds obvious flaws in your game, then you're truly the idiot.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 04:35:36 AM
 
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If you think we're gang-banging you just because Iish finds obvious flaws in your game, then you're truly the idiot.


I really wish there was a smily that was laughing his A** off, cuz I'd use it right now. If you would have paid attention to all my posts, you would get it through you're thick head that I do like flaws being pointed out, but I want to know how I can fix them. You F****** Morons are all saying to scrap everything I made, there is a differance! If you don't realize that, then you are all complete idiots!

And yes, you are siding with iishenron because you know him! If you were old enough to take psychology, you maby would realize that. Yes maby you would have negitive feedback, but the way in which you presented it was exactly like iishenrons! I don't believe everyone at GW was like him, but I'm begining to think they are.

WIP, shut the hell up, you're really starting to piss me off. Why? Its not because you're saying negitive stuff about my game. I know there are things that I need to fix in my battle system, I have accepted that its not perfect. You didn't say to fix it and make it better, you told me to scrap it. If I played your game, and I found something that I don't like, I'm not gonna tell you to get rid of it, I would tell you how to fix it.

Not if all of you F****** from GW really want to dis my game, do it at GW, but don't come over here and repeatedly say my game sucks and not even give me any advice on how to improve my systems.

I would like to play all your games, I'm sure I can find just as much wrong with them as you found in my game.

And for the last time, if you don't have anything worth while to say, just keep to your own pathetic lives, don't try to drag me into them by being idiots on this forum.

You all tried to make you're point, but obviously you failed. And guess what, you all look like A**** now. You're logic is flawed, and your saying I said stuff which I didn't. I really tried to be nice about this, I could stand the first 3 pages of your garbage, but now you're just acting like total idiots!

If any of you posts any more garbage, I'll pick out every single thing you did to make yourselves look like idiots, and really bring them out.

I hope this thread get locked, cuz I hate listening to all your stupid comments!
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Post by: iishenron on February 23, 2005, 04:41:31 AM
I wanted to leave this topic alone, but it keeps going. Yeah, I posted the link to your game over on IRC. I post at or visit almost every Rm2k/3 board around the community and I'm known to often post links to games in chat. I saw your game, I posted the link. Not the first time I've posted games from here, won't be the last; heck, I've got Legend of Lea uploaded to the "classic games" portion of my site because it was being hosted on an extremely unstable server. ( Not that my site is a paragon of stability, but hey, one issue at a time here. :D )

Now then, the reason I didn't talk about the good aspects of your game? It's been beaten to death. So, since there were some major issues that prevented me from finishing your game and writing a proper review ( right now, I'd say your game would get around a 35% on my scale; by comparison to some other games that have come out in the past year, I scored Naufragar 56% and Ara Fell 77%; both reviews can be found at  www.queenscourt.org so you can see where and how I'm pulling these numbers ), I briefly hit on the major stumbling blocks in your game which I feel prevent the game from reaching a higher level. Being a user of Rm2k since August of 2000, and having played just about every English Rm2k/3 game that's left even a hint of a mark on the community, I feel I have a pretty large enough sample size to rate where a game stands and where it needs improvement. And, you responded with your opinion that I'm a flaming idiot. Touche'. At least you didn't go the super-lame route of downloading my game and saying "Oh yeah? Well, your game sucks compared to mine, so shut up!" which as a reviewer I've gotten before. Credit where credit's due. :)

But hey, none of this is contributing to your game because I'm not kissing your butt and saying your game is the greatest thing ever made. Sorry about that.  :flower:

You'll no doubt repeat "this proves you're an idiot because ... " and ignore most of what I said here, so I'll summarize everything I've posted in this topic:

1) This game has severe mechanical problems which include:
- Crawly text speed in the introduction combined with autoclose text boxes
- Slow walk speed, even when the irritating "run" system is engaged
- A laggy, unstable CBS
2) Suggested possible solutions:
- Using the DBS
- Moving the game to RmXP
- Junking the run system entirely along with the autoclose text boxes

Now then. I'm not WIP or anyone else but iishenron. PM a mod or admin and have them check the IPs of everyone who's posted in this topic. And, again, in the future, if you indeed don't want C&C, then say "This is my game. I'm not taking any criticism because this game is perfect as it is and that's how I'm going to stand."
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 04:48:53 AM
I give up, you guys don't even read what I said, and you're not even listening to anything I said at all. when I started reading your post iishenron, I was about to thank you for saying something constructive for a change, however I was mistaken.

What if you didn't like one of the graphics I made, would you tell me to use the defult graphics instead? Telling me to remove the things you don't like from my game is pointless. If you where a decent reviewer, you would think of ways I can improve the stuff I have, not get rid of it.

And it is pretty low iishenron that since i didn't agree with your comments that you had to tell everyone at GW about this thread just so you could have some people side with you. Truely sad...
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Post by: iishenron on February 23, 2005, 04:55:34 AM
Who did I tell at GW about this? And when? I haven't mentioned your game at GW.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 23, 2005, 04:56:17 AM
iishenron, WIP, and [Forever Zero]: Thank you for getting this topic locked. I hope you enjoyed giving your damn opinion. Next time, give better suggestions, rather than flame, and say this sucks get rid of it! This topic was FINE without you @$$holes, so Bravo, to the @$$holes, BRAVO!!! *saracastic applause*
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Post by: iishenron on February 23, 2005, 04:59:34 AM
Ace: You're welcome. I'm glad this community is an open one where people are free to post their opinions.  :D
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Post by: WIP on February 23, 2005, 05:01:48 AM
The only person here who was flaming was DragonBlaze. Do I really have to quote all the times I've been personally attacked by him? I've been called a ****er, moron, idiot, ***hole, ***, stupid, and numerous other things.

Feel free to quote me where I called him such names.
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 23, 2005, 05:03:06 AM
 
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Who did I tell at GW about this? And when? I haven't mentioned your game at GW.


Oh I'm sorry, I guess theres a really big differance just telling it to people from GW over IRC.

You guys are all just stuck up pricks who don't know anything but to put down games that have little flaws in them. I'm sorry that you want to be in such a hurry to go through my game as to complain about messages going slow, I'm sorry that I didn't catch the lag for you, and I am alfully sorry that you have to push a button to run. Those three things really made my game so horrible!
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Post by: GhostClown on February 23, 2005, 05:04:18 AM
Hey guys, just chill, if you have dumb shìt to say keep it to yourself.