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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: SleepAid on March 08, 2005, 09:50:27 PM

Title: Uh oh
Post by: SleepAid on March 08, 2005, 09:50:27 PM
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China Steps Up Pressure on Taiwan

By ELAINE KURTENBACH
BEIJING (AP) - China unveiled a law Tuesday authorizing an attack if Taiwan moves toward formal independence, increasing pressure on the self-ruled island while warning other countries not to interfere. Taiwan denounced the legislation as a ``blank check to invade'' and announced war games aimed at repelling an attack.

The proposed anti-secession law, read out for the first time before the ceremonial National People's Congress, doesn't say what specific actions might invite a Chinese attack.

``If possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted, the state shall employ nonpeaceful means and other necessary measures to protect China's sovereignty and territorial integrity,'' Wang Zhaoguo, deputy chairman of the NPC's Standing Committee, told the nearly 3,000 legislators gathered in the Great Hall of the People.

Beijing claims Taiwan, split from China since 1949, as part of its territory. The communist mainland repeatedly has threatened to invade if Taiwan tries to make its independence permanent, and new law doesn't impose any new conditions or make new threats. But it lays out for the first time legal requirements for military action.
 
Taiwan's leaders warned that the move could backfire by angering the island's voting public.

Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council, which handles the island's China policy, said the law gives China's military ``a blank check to invade Taiwan'' and ``exposed the Chinese communists' attempt to use force to annex Taiwan and to be a regional power.''

``Our government lodges strong protest against the vicious attempt and brutal means ... to block Taiwanese from making their free choice,'' the council said in a statement.

Taiwanese Defense Ministry spokesman Liu Chih-chien said large-scale military exercises would be held from mid-April to August to build confidence in the island's military preparedness. Troops will practice knocking down Chinese missiles and fighting communist commandos.

Mainland lawmakers immediately expressed support for the measure, which is sure to be approved when they vote March 14. The NPC routinely approves all legislation already decided by Communist Party leaders.

``We must join hands and absolutely not allow Taiwan to separate from China,'' said Chang Houchun, a businessman and NPC member from southern China's Guangdong province.

Chinese officials say the law was prompted in part by Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian's plans for a referendum on a new constitution for the island that Beijing worries might include a declaration of independence.

Chen says the vote would be aimed at building a better political system, not at formalizing Taiwan's de facto independence.

The proposed law says Beijing regards Taiwan's future as an internal Chinese matter, rejecting ``any interference by outside forces.''

``Every sovereign state has the right to use necessary means to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity,'' said Wang.

The law says China's Cabinet and the government's Central Military Commission ``are authorized to decide on and execute nonpeaceful means and nonpeaceful measures.''

The United States has appealed to both sides to settle Taiwan's status peacefully, with no unilateral changes by either side. Washington is Taiwan's main arms supplier and could be drawn into any conflict.

In Taipei, Chen Chin-jun, a legislative leader of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party, said the island wants peace and trade with China.

However, he said, ``We will not accept any resolution to allow the Chinese Communists to unilaterally decide Taiwan's future, and it will only antagonize the Taiwanese.''

China and Taiwan have no official ties and most direct travel and shipping between the two sides is banned. But Taiwanese companies have invested more than $100 billion in the mainland and the two sides carry on thriving indirect trade.

Until recently, China's military was thought to be incapable of carrying out an invasion across the 100-mile-wide Taiwan Strait. But Beijing has spent billions of dollars buying Russian-made submarines, destroyers and other high-tech weapons to extend the reach of the 2.5 million-member People's Liberation Army.

Chinese leaders have appealed in recent months for Taiwan to return to talks on unification. But they insist that Taiwanese leaders first declare that the two sides are ``one China'' - a condition that Chen has rejected.

In an apparent attempt to calm Taiwanese public anxiety, Wang said the law promises that Chinese military forces would try to avoid harming Taiwenese civilians. He said the rights of Taiwanese on China's mainland also would be protected.
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Post by: Osmose on March 08, 2005, 10:47:39 PM
WANG! XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

And it's about time. Do you know how long China has been sitting around on the Taiwan issue? A quick war will solve the problem.
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Post by: Almeidaboo on March 09, 2005, 12:33:50 AM
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Originally posted by Osmose
WANG! XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

And it's about time. Do you know how long China has been sitting around on the Taiwan issue? A quick war will solve the problem.


...I kinda know ur being sarcastic...or I want to belive that.
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Post by: charaman on March 09, 2005, 12:35:28 AM
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
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Originally posted by Osmose
WANG! XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

And it's about time. Do you know how long China has been sitting around on the Taiwan issue? A quick war will solve the problem.


...I kinda know ur being sarcastic...or I want to belive that.
my reaction
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Post by: Grandy on March 09, 2005, 01:13:45 AM
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Originally posted by charaman
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Originally posted by Almeidaboo
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Originally posted by Osmose
WANG! XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

And it's about time. Do you know how long China has been sitting around on the Taiwan issue? A quick war will solve the problem.


...I kinda know ur being sarcastic...or I want to belive that.
my reaction


 Same here...
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Post by: DragonBlaze on March 09, 2005, 01:21:29 AM
The fact that I knew nothing about China and Taiwan shows how little I know about the world and politics.  :(
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Post by: Darkfox on March 09, 2005, 01:22:06 AM
 
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The fact that I knew nothing about China and Taiwan shows how little I know about the world and politics.


Right on!
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 09, 2005, 01:25:43 AM
Well a war would settle things once and for all but they should come to a peaceful arrangement...a war between China and Taiwan would be disastrous due to the overwhelming amount of citizens in China...
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Post by: Osmose on March 09, 2005, 01:59:07 AM
Sarcastic on the war part yes-ish. Sarcastic about the "Finally, they'll stop bickering and actually do something" part, no.
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Post by: blaze_shinigami on March 09, 2005, 02:05:23 AM
i had heard about this like year i think, but how long was Taiwan own it's own for now? but i only heard about a year ago, maybe it's been going on all along
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 09, 2005, 02:13:01 AM
President Hu said he would do anything he can to approach the matter peacefully but he refuses to give Taiwan it's independance to reunite the motherland.

'We will continue to make our greatest efforts with the utmost sincerity to seek the prospects of peaceful reunification. Meanwhile, we will never tolerate 'Taiwan independence' and never allow the 'Taiwan independence' secessionist forces to make Taiwan secede from the motherland under any name or by any means'
                                       -- President Hu Jintao
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Post by: SleepAid on March 09, 2005, 02:47:33 AM
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Originally posted by blackskullwarlock
President Hu said he would do anything he can to approach the matter peacefully but he refuses to give Taiwan it's independance to reunite the motherland.


Yeah, just like they did with Tibet.
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 09, 2005, 03:06:09 AM
I just hope China doesn't go to war with Taiwan. I love China, especially the historic part when the Han Dynasty used to rule.

Chinese will (almost) always try the peaceful approach before waging war...contrary to some President I won't name so we don't get into a politic conversation, which I despise -.-
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Post by: SleepAid on March 09, 2005, 03:11:05 AM
You obviously havn't read anything on their recent history.
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Post by: Darkfox on March 09, 2005, 03:11:51 AM
 
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contrary to some President I won't name so we don't get into a politic conversation, which I despise -.-


Smart call.
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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 09, 2005, 03:14:10 AM
Like I said above Sleepaid, my interest in China is during the Han Dynasty era, not the current one.

To DarkFox: I noticed how thing goes when conversations like that start, best NOT to go there.

**Edit:
Xinhua's Article about China/Taiwan (http://english.people.com.cn/200503/04/eng20050304_175597.html )
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Post by: Darkfox on March 09, 2005, 03:16:06 AM
I agree
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 09, 2005, 03:47:50 AM
Can someone sum up the article for me? I'm too lazy :p
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Post by: SleepAid on March 09, 2005, 03:59:01 AM
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Originally posted by blackskullwarlock
Like I said above Sleepaid, my interest in China is during the Han Dynasty era, not the current one.


Sorry dude, but that's not what I was talking about.

"Chinese will (almost) always try the peaceful approach before waging war"

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Post by: blackskullwarlock on March 09, 2005, 04:03:06 AM
You said it yourself, I haven't been reading the current China history; because my interest about China belongs to another era.

Based upon what you said, maybe you can fill me in on what as been happening in China?
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Post by: SleepAid on March 09, 2005, 09:33:58 AM
You're just not getting it are you? I'm not talking about your facination of ancient china. I'm talking about your comment about China almost allways finding a peacefull solution.

Jesus, I'm tired. I'll post links to what I'm talking about in the morning after I get back from Oxnard.

E- Nevermind, I won't. I just realised that all the stuff would be against the rules to post on here.