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Off-Topic => Really Old Stuff => Archive => Charas Project Support => Topic started by: X-F3R on December 13, 2003, 06:10:20 AM
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i donno about you guys, but i just get pissed all of a sudden looking a resources that are proclaimed "MADE" by a certain user.
MADE: meaning, made from scratch with or without the help of a template. easy to understand?
RIPPED: meaning, ripped from a game using an emulator or whatever..
COMBINED: Chipsets!!! i see A LOT of chipsets that are proclaimed "I MADE" when they are just rips from other chipsets.
EDITTED: A resource that is recolored, re..whatever, you get what i mean.
yes, yes.. i am aiming at those credit takers.. so much of them everywhere.. i mean, maybe they are not.. but i guess most charsets made by our users should credit Charas and the Charas.Ex program, by GPI.
i mean, check it..
i see TONS of topics called "A CHARSET I MADE" when they're made with Charas.Ex, but then, no credit being given.. it would lighten me up A LOT if the topics was called "A CHARSET I MADE WITH CHARAS ONLINE GENERATOR/CHARAS. EX
really.. Charas is doing a hell of a good job providing an online charset generator and people walk around claiming it was made by them, not recognizing charas. Charas, their staff, resource makers and all that, DESERVE the credit that they don't get.
if it weren't for those kinds of people who come to Charas, make a set then go post it in another forum, saying they did it and all that, charas would be the no.1 RM2K(3) charset site!
as you guys know, i like to speak my mind a lot! so this is one of them.
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You know what aggrivates me more? Is when people ask me to draw battlechars and stuff... And I say it out loud and make it obvious that I rip the sprites for the battlechars I make... sheesh... I don't think I ever say that I draw them, I just say I make the battlechars, not the sprites themselves. When I say "make" I mean I put it together, with no templates. As for Battle Animations, I use the FFL2and3rocks template (Which has been edited by me to give the full ammount of frames).
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Well, anyhow consider the risk those peoples are taking on themselves.
Claiming i am a good chara-maker while i'm not can be terrible if someone (whoever) will notice I've used Charas.
And Charas itself, at this time, is really known arout RPGM communities, so....
Moreover, there is no way for us to check every game and every resource around the net: the same problem is here, expecially in complete resources (where someone take resources from somewhere and post them here under his name without crediting the original author, see my las news about this).
While Charas itself will not be totally "genuine" in this, it's hard to say "i'm angry because you've not credited us".
What do you think?
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hmm.. i'm not saying that you are the one who should be angry or anything, i don't think ur that kind of person who does those kinds of things, but me, i'm just the type of person who hates people for taking the credit which they don't deserve
true about the fact that we can't search every single RM2K game whether they have used the Online Generator or Charas.Ex and check if they have credited Charas, but i never said that we had to go after them and all that.
all i wanted to point out was there are some people who like to steal stuff and not credit those who has to be.. and i also wanted to point out the meaning of those meanings of those i mentioned up there..
i'm not saying that we should form an army and chase them (lol..) as i said, i like to speak my mind a lot.. so yeah.. hehehe
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Me too, my friend.
My point was not an "attack army", but the fact that the same things occours here inside.
As you're angry for "thieves" who uses charas results under their name, an original author may be angry with charas if he'll find something made by him (and not credited to him) here.
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hahaha i knew you would say something like that in the end.. well, most charset makers put only 7 chars in their charsets cuz they leave the 8th slot for their identity.. eh? but if they don't do this.. well.. better wait for the outcome..
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charas is a great idea, but like any site with open ended resource submission, it is near impossible to track or know which sets coming in are not stolen. our artists have even found parts of their original work submitted here (like hair and so on). the worst is seeing their original work with their signatures removed (the template submitted is an exact replica minus their sigs) or their beautiful work poorly edited and butchered.
just because a set has no signature doesn't mean you can send it to someone else and say "here". several years ago, it was very rare for someone to take another's work. artists often filled templates with original charasets and then zipped them into one file. their credits were posted at the download location and that was enough.
but copyright ownership does not require a signature. so claiming that a work had no signature is no excuse, nor is it a free license to anyone to steal.
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True, and this is fully applyable to our problem: the only way i have to know something is not original, is the original author to alert me.
So i strongly recommend to anyone to do this.
The inverse problem (the one X-F3R was talking about) is purely ethical: charas generated resources has not an author, it can have up to 8! Giving credits to charas doesn't mean to credit me or someone in particular, it means crediting everyone who helps here.
This is why i call this an ethical question.
Finally, these points comes together: for it's nature Charas is not a mass of single, separated users: it's a community. Whatever is generated in Charas, is made by everyone, in concept.
Not the same for single resources, as correctly Wishmoo highlights.
It's simply called respect.
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bravo!!! there's the word i tried to look for!!! respect!
wishmoo:
true about people not wanting to put their signatures in their original works.. 2 reasons.. either they're lazy to do so or they want to use up all 8 slots..
but copyright ownership does not require a signature. so claiming that a work had no signature is no excuse, nor is it a free license to anyone to steal.
VERY true!!! you can just.. take several sets, combine them, put in your own sig, and run around trigger happy..
i don't mean to ask this but, is this topic getting anywhere? i guess the questions now are all answered.. and all i wanted to point out were the meanings of the words
"MADE", "RIPPED", "COMBINED" and "EDITTED".. there may be a few more words.. oh.. ok.. for the topic, "STOLEN" ..lol..
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The thing with Charas is that since so many people are submitting resources, it is impractial to give credit to *each* person. You would have to go through every charas resource you have used, figure out who make this body or who made that shirt or hair or background item. I much prefer to credit Charas for the works I make here. After all, Charas exists to benefit the community as a whole, not the individual artists that sumbit here.
Right? :|
Anyway, I would much rather people "claim" my resources then nobody use them at all. I submit my resources here not to gain fame and a reputation, but to help out people that cannot draw their own very well.
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This is a good discussion, hope to ear also other comments.
What i can do now is to move it into the Charas Project forum, and to stick it.
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As response to SaiKar, you can also credit the Charas Community.
But I don't think you can do something about the "I've made it" things. And sooner or later people will find out. You see, the charas characters all look similar.
But what I will do is search the web for Charsets, look at the resources and compare them with the current ones. I will notify you which resources should have the addition "rip from...". This way the resource will be more creditted.
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It makes me violently ill when people proclaim..."Duh, I don't know da author!" when their name is right there! It also infuriates me that some people have been stealing resources from sites which say "you may not host this resource" such as Wild Pudding's monster site. Something needs to be done about this, because it's theft, pure and simple.
Also, why do people keep stealing from Chara's member site, Gaming Ground Zero, when GGZ states that you must ask for permission before posting the resource?
AAAAGH!
I can list many of the authors that resources have been stolen from, as long as you ask.
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This is a topic kick. BUT! I respect your speaking of your mind. And it too angers me. It isn't right.
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Two questions...
What's a topic kick?
Is there anything we can do about the misattributions/stealing of resources?
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Topic kick is when you post in a topic more than a week old I think. Maybe it is 2.
And about dealing with resource thefts, Alex is going to deal with that.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Seriously though...If I see another resource taken from a site without permission, or another "I don't know who the author is even though his name's right there," I'm gonna vomit.
DF, you should take down all the Wild Pudding monsters immediately. The artist has a strict "no copying" policy.
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The only one that can remove things from complete resources is Alex.
Um, decribe "No copying" policy.
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Attention!
Pharoah_Chars has stolen a large number of characters from a Brazilian RPG maker site.
They still have the signature of the original artist in them, so they should be easy to find.
Jmckt stole a characterset from one of your affiliates, Gaming Ground Zero. It's a character set of the Grim Reaper.
Teardrops hasn't posted any original resources or ripped his own things whatsoever. They're not his, so get rid of them. All of them.
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Signaled to Omega9999, the complete resources uploader, for checking.
Thanks Sarl!
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No problem, Alex. Just helping out the community.
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I delele the Wild Pudding Monster :jumpin: :jumpin: ..Now i see for Pharoah_Chars
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Okay, seriously people, Charas nor anyone else can be prosecuted for the use of any resources made for RM2K. The agreement on Wild Pudding and other sites like it is just that, and agreement not a contract. Of course you should not claim ownership over resources that you had no part in making. Even if you can't credit the exact person who made it--if there was no signature or maybe you just forget where you got it--you should at least say what resources you made, edited, etc., and which you downloaded. However there is no legal obligation to do so, it is much more about common courtesy and giving credit where it is due.
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Oops. Geez, I guess I didn't read close enough.
Though, in all fairness, Charas shouldn't be holding these resources because it's not very respectful to Wild Pudding, who's an excellent artist and obviously works very hard on the monster graphics.
Sorry about that...still, it's good that they're taken down. People who want them can easily find the website through Svatopluk's website and get the monsters theirselves.
By the way, here's what Svatopluk says about Japanese website policy.
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"Outside, the RPG Maker scene mainly rotates around community site, all material that is found, ripped, or sometimes created, is uploaded to them. In Japan, every artist has his or her own site, and the use of the material is subject to some rules.
These rules are individual, but in general you can assume the following:
1. In general, the material is for the use in RPG Maker games only, though some artist allow the use on a webpage. In any case this restriction applies to material relating to the RTP, and in no case are you allowed to simply redistribute the material!
2. Usually, you are allowed to modify the material slightly to fit the needs of your game (anything else would probably impractical), but not to distribute the modified material.
3. If you use the material in a game, you are to mention it explicitly in an accompanying readme file or within the game itself, including the site's URL. This, I suppose, should go without saying.
4. When you download something, you are supposed to post a short comment on the BBS (every site has one) or email the artist. This is considered common courtesy in Japan.
5. You are supposed to link to the homepage only. And it is a good idea to actually do so, since Japanese sites often change their internal structure or their location. There will usually be a redirect from the former homepage.
6. Nearly every site has a 200x40 banner, which is like a business card. Sometimes you are allowed or even encouraged to link to it directly, sometimes not. It is not always easy to find out which rule applies, but if the banner's URL is displayed directly beneath it, you can probably safely assume that you can link to it directly. Usually, you will find it either on the link page or on an about page that nearly every site has. Of course, this is only a rule of thumb."
And maybe I should take a chill pill.
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As long as people say where they got them from or at the very least not claim credit for themselves, I see no reason why people should take them down. It is rather hard to have to sort through all the monsters on Wild Pudding and they aren't exactly named in English so it is a bit useful (especially for newbs) if other people help.
Maybe that can be your job, going around and yelling at people who claim resources that aren't their own.
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so if I use a nude template from charas project and draw my own clothes can I give both myself and charas project credit? I primarily just like to use the nude bases from here and then draw my own clothes on them in paint shop. I just want credit for what I did but I'm more than happy to say I got the nude templates here.
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Please check the date of the last post before you post!
But, to answer your question: Yeah, you should give credit to Charas for the base.
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I know this is another topic kick but I need to get this off my chest. Charas would be a lot more respectable if people posted their original resources, and not redistribute materials found elsewhere. If you post things here that aren't yours, it's not particularily nice to the original creator. I am incredibly sick of Charas people looting and pillaging every RPG maker site they can find, and posting the resources up here! Hell, I'd prefer to see a poor quality rip or original than something stolen by someone who's worked hard to make their own materials! It gets frustrating wading through pages and pages of blatantly stolen material, trying to find something original!
Oh, and Luckygerbils?
What would you do if someone else claimed your things to be their own, hmmm? Would it make you angry? I'd imagine it would.
Yes, I'm angry! Very, very angry!
I need a stiff drink.
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This also shows the increativity of the members.
Maybe you could write an article about it. It's a good point you got here.
But keep in mind, I've seen some crap in there, like JPG files and such. So I don't think crap should be allowed.
Another thing, maybe it's good to allow people to post archived files. Sure we'll need some extra uploaders, but aren't there enough mods to make that possible? I mean, three or four sections per uploader.
But I'm going off topic. I don't like people stealing resources. Look at Kijuki's Mewtwo. Someone stole that resource. Well, the issue was resolved later, but the point is, just as Sarl said, you can't just claim a resource as yours.
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Oh, and Luckygerbils?
What would you do if someone else claimed your things to be their own, hmmm? Would it make you angry? I'd imagine it would.
I would like them to credit me for my work, but overall I would be rather happy that people actually liked my resource that much. It's the fact that I know I made that resource and that someone else found it and liked it that is enjoyable to me.
And I can't say I've looked through all the resources here lately, but most of the time the people who post non-original/other-people's resources either say that they found that resource, or they don't say anything at all about the author/artist. I've rarely seen people who blatently claim they've made the non-original resources they've posted.
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sry if I don't credit people in anything,
but i got soooo much from this site, i cant even remember a few of the original authors...
i want to say one more thing....
THIS SITE RULES!
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GGZ and you guys are the government of RPG Maker community. :p
A
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I'm new here and I do believe I also typed that I made 'em S.O.R sprites.Wait........ I actually just said to give credit for my works. I did this just in case if anybody might want to post it on their own web site. But yes, I did just edit them so I'm very sorry if i offended or just pissed off anybody.:(
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I find it really funny that people who rip sprites off of games that no one cares about(<1990) then post it as their own and get very protective of their "creations" demanding to be credited. Some of their sprites are of games so old I wonder if someone will ever use them for a game, and at that point you could just rip them off yourself from the freeware rom.
What's the take on giving credits and rips? Some worked hard to find good sprites for us to use, others only seem to do it to waste bandwidth.
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well take me for instance i dont really care if i get credit. why? well there once was a time (not to long ago actually) that i didnt know about charas that i used to spend all day on google>images searching for a nice little resource BUT NO!!! "give me credit, give me credit, credit! CREDIT!! CRRREDDIITTT!!!, and that used to get me super pissed of so thats why.
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i get where alsokay is comming from. itcan be a pain crediting every resouce you use. i dont care for credit that much, as long as you dont say, "I made this" im cool.
i dont care much about my resorces. if wanted the credit so much id keep it formy self.
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if someone took credit for what i had done, i would hunt them down! (it would probably never happen as i haven't made anything yet) as long as they say they didn't do it, then that's fine with me. :guns:
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actually i dont either care for credits. Its nice if someone credit you but its not needed for me... And please no gun smileys. isnīt there a way too remove them?
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i love my bf and he loves me even ask him! and i shave my legs and i am male. (J) >: :guns:
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Umm why exactly did you have to share that in a thread 'bout rm2k/3 resources?
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Originally posted by Sephiroth rocks
Umm why exactly did you have to share that in a thread 'bout rm2k/3 resources?
Yeah Go away! lol! noob!
Anyways I only give credit to resourses that are original; midis (drenrin2120 and coaster crazy) and Facesets (can't name anyone), and if they are worth crediting. Since I would give credit to people with good stuff I would expect the same for mine. The golden rule plays a huge part here.
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DONT KICK OLD TOPICS!!!!
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Originally posted by elementalhero76
Yeah Go away! lol! noob!
This comment is directed to you elementalhero76.
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I as many other sprite creators rip sprites and throuw them together with offline/online generators. Most of the time when I dont give credits its because Ive pulled from so many generators to make a single sprite set that i forgot. Currently I use charas.EX for rm2k(3) sprites and a custom generator i found and edited for XP sprites. I understand why you would be mad at someone b/c they are lazy and dont take the time then claim it as there own. Me I try to give credit to the resources/programs and other materials i use also i try to give credit to people if they helped me. If i forget who/where i got the sprites/materials used to make/put together a sheet I allow evey one to know i wasnt the only creator and that i used other reasources. Also sometimes (I dont mean to) I forget to credit people and resources b/c I often multi task and just dont pay it any attention. Being as Im new here I havent really done any of this yet and Im trying my best to stop doing it period.
Anyway thanks for your time and I agree it sometimes agrivates me aswell.
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I hope this doesn't count as a kick. (Is a kick the same thing as a necro-post? Anyway, what's wrong with posting a week and a half later?)
Either way, you can't start any website that generates game design graphics and the like for you without knowing that 99% of people will not acknowledge your website.
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It does. I bet that dude already left but I could be wrong =P
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Hm, it seems I may need to check out the forum rules. What happens to me if I kick?
*gets shot*
Oh, I see.
Quick edit: It seems that kicking is more advised against, rather than actually prohibited. That's what I got from the AoA rules, anyway.
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It is. Just kick with a reason.
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Do you mean it is actually prohibited? That seems a bit unfair to me. A week seems like a pretty short time. Oh well. I always have a reason: it's me, fools.
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It is actually prohibited...if you do something stupid, such as kicking a month old topic, you will get yelled at
If you keep on doing that, then you will most likely get banned for n00bism
A side note to this is that Sticky Threads are usually exempt from this rule, unless they are basically truly dead
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By "it is" I meant it is more like adivised against. You can kick if you have a reason. Fruckk, shut up. You post too much even though I didnt read the above post. =p
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:(
Mawr
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i love my bf and he loves me even ask him! and i shave my legs and i am male. (J) >: :guns:
I'd like to add that this is the most hilarious post I've seen in a long time.
And Wella, it wasn't a week and a half... Take another look. It was a year and a week and a half :p You're not gonna get in trouble for a lousy kick but it wasn't exactly necessary...
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I'd like to add that this is the most hilarious post I've seen in a long time.
And Wella, it wasn't a week and a half... Take another look. It was a year and a week and a half :p You're not gonna get in trouble for a lousy kick but it wasn't exactly necessary...
Actually someone used his pass to get into his acc and post stuff. Still funny as hell.
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Even worse, it's 2 years and a week and a half. Then again, I didn't really know this because stickys are always put at the top of the page. Oh well. Thanks for letting me know.
Still though, to get back on topic, I think people do need to understand the difference between made, ripped and combined, especially ripped. They seem to think that re-colouring an FF6 sprite is equivalent to creating it from scratch.
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I made this thread.
No, I edited it really by adding to it.
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Lol.
Now, get back on topic, fools.
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Hello! I'm new around. But I think Charas is great. However, I also have issues with the ripped graphics, because sometimes I would like something original, and it ends up being from an RPG or other such game I never played before. Charas should have some kind of rating system, where it says wether the set is ripped, a modified ripped, or a totally original graphic. Also, the community should be able to vote for these images to ensure that the truth has been said. i.e. [Ripped] [Ripped and Modified] [Original], or any other such buttons or features. I think this would help everyone know what belongs where.
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A... why would you... this wasn't even that great of a thread in 2003!
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Its a bot, Sai. Damn, you're an admin, you should know better.
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But WHY THIS THREAD?!
AGGGHHHH
It's tempting to try to program a bot and sell it to these people just so they can make more damn sense!
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Haha.
See: Xkcd comic. If you wanna program something: program that.