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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Momeka on March 21, 2017, 05:48:43 AM

Title: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 21, 2017, 05:48:43 AM
It's been a while since we finished the last one and my fingers are kinda itching to do a new one. This is mostly just an interest check, do people feel like or have time doing another chain game?
Been thinking that maybe we should keep a next one shorter, since people usually end up having to do multiple chapters anyway. So maybe have 3 - 4 chapters in total depending on how many are interested. Which should also maybe not take a year to finish.

Also since it's sorta on topic I can post some stats from the chain games on the charas itch.io page (https://charas-project.itch.io/). The games got a total of 74 downloads, 54 of them being Wrath of Gaia (not really sure why, maybe fantasy rpgs are just more popular). The Charas page also got 7 followers.

Anyway, how do people feel? Is it time?

We're doing it

Tool: Rpgmaker 2003
Setting: Modern

Makers:
1. Momeka
2. Fisherson
3. Dr.Ace
4. Donut(?)
5. Moosetroop11

Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Prpl_Mage on March 22, 2017, 01:26:42 AM
Right, I was going to start a thread in January but life happens.

I made a whole bunch of charsets with your contest winning sprite as a base and one okay tileset to get it started but forgot to backup the steam folder when my old computer started crashing. (I use a software called Aseprite for spriting through steam, and mainly only use the steam version of rpgm2k3).

So I got nothing, and that one thread I was going to start was about what we wanted to do since my plan went up in smokes. But that plan was 5 chapters total instead of 10 to shorten the time as you also mentioned above. Maybe you can get the honor to start the chain game this time to set the theme?

I should have some more time no, so this feels fine by me.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 22, 2017, 02:40:04 AM
Ah man, that's a bummer.

And sure I can do something, I'll get started tonight.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Dr. Ace on March 22, 2017, 03:20:20 AM
I will join but only if I can go second!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on March 22, 2017, 09:24:27 AM
Never been in a chain game, that could be fun. I'm quite busy making puzzles for THW, but I sure can pause that a bit, that would be a welcomed pause to refresh my mind :)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on March 22, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
3-4 Chapters? That sounds too short for a three act story and really good characters to emerge but the Big Z wants a spot! If only cuz I want to make a one instead of playing them all the time! Do we have any idea on the theme or are we going old School like the first one and just following a group of random thugs roaming around and not sticking to one setting or character type  :P I ask because I like Supernatural things in my games as my main go to, but if pushed I can step a little out of my comfort zone.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on March 23, 2017, 12:40:32 AM
Another Chain Game? Finally! Hmm 3-4 chapters would be dumb though. I mean I know why you want it to be released sooner but the stories are getting more and more complex. I personally don't want to take a step backwards. Our plots, parties and even systems have been evolving slolwy. I don't know if we CAN make a simple small game anymore. I wanted the winter Chain Game to be that but eh I was doubtful it would have less than 8 chapters somehow. Either way I will sign up, if only cause I've done everyone to modern date and I love doing it, but I will NOT DO THE END. -_-; Juno's Odyssey nearly killed me on that ending and I'm still fixing it off and on.

Which reminds me, Red, I didn't know it was YOU who put up that Juno's Odyssey Page I found online away from the forum! Good work that and I love what you did with both titles in that link. Maybe we should add Lost and Found to that list sometime?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 23, 2017, 01:46:43 AM
I really donít see how a see how ďcomplexĒ stories is a good thing for a chain game. Since the chain games are unplanned and the makers just do from what they interpreted by playing a more complex story would just lead to more plot holes, contradiction and confusion.
That said I really donít see why you wouldnít be able to tell a story in three chapters, if people can tell stories with a 10 min short movie or 50 page book Iím sure we can tell one with three chapters. Hell, thereís people telling their stories with shorter games than what a three chapter chain game would be.

That said though, I'll double it, this chain game is six chapters long, so there is one free spot open (don't do math early in the morning). If all spots are filled feel free to sign up anyway, I'll put you on the back up list and you will be contacted when someone drops out.
Also Fish, you're last for now, check if anyone wants to trade spots with you. Or I can move you down if someone have to drop out.

As for settings, we done fantasy and sci fi so itís time for a modern. It will be kinda 90s inspired with some fantasy creatures thrown into the mix.

Also I've started on the game, going to try to finish it as fast as I can but it's probably going to take a week or two.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Prpl_Mage on March 23, 2017, 01:40:52 PM
Yeah 5 chapters is more than enough. Most old plays are 5 acts after all.

And being last in a chain game is kinda messy since you need to try to tie everything together, all the plotholes created by the previous chapters that weren't answered by the next person. Which is okay of course for a chain game, since it is an unplanned cooperation between different parties.

And  hints, setting and ambiance is sometimes more interesting than a complex space opera

Also, remove me from the list for now. I'll jump in if people drop out, otherwise I am happy with supplying help and resources for this one since I flunked the start
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on March 24, 2017, 02:26:30 AM
Arrrrrhhh! Don't wanna be last again. TTUTT Zolty! Trade with me and I'll make you sprites! Help you wish understanding MV.....I'll make a freaking cameo of Proud Mary in the Dentverse AND Evenstar Saga! Hazmana! I'll do free advertising for you on my DA! Anything but the final boss and tying it all together.

I really donít see how a see how ďcomplexĒ stories is a good thing for a chain game. Since the chain games are unplanned and the makers just do from what they interpreted by playing a more complex story would just lead to more plot holes, contradiction and confusion.
That said I really donít see why you wouldnít be able to tell a story in three chapters, if people can tell stories with a 10 min short movie or 50 page book Iím sure we can tell one with three chapters. Hell, thereís people telling their stories with shorter games than what a three chapter chain game would be.

I suppose you are right. =/ I dunno I just struggle with small stories. Tis been a bane to me trying to write. It's why I was shocked when I wrote such a simple start for Juno's Odyssey. Ofcourse we all know the end didn't work out that way. ^_^; And I see what you mean. The longer the story goes the more chances we have to step on one another's feet. -_- Alright I'll try my hand at a shorter game.....after I kill Zoltar and steal his spot. X3

Yeah 5 chapters is more than enough. Most old plays are 5 acts after all.

o.O Didn't know that. then again I'm not big on the theater as much as the movie theater. Mostly know Shakespeare through the Simpsons after all XD
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 25, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
I was kinda hoping to be done by Sunday, but yeeeeeah, no way that's going to happen. Been mostly just hammering away on graphics but it's really time consuming. So I'd figured I try to ask for help. If you want to help out or are just bored and feel like spriting a bit, feel free to make a character or two or ten. Draw whatever you want, I'm not looking for anything specific, just characters to populate the world with. Now the game is a modern setting so bonus points if it isn't all armored knights and wizards.

You don't have to be signed up or anything. Anyway feel free to join in. I'll make sure we get some credit thing in the end of this one for everyone helping out.

Here's the template for male and female characters:
(http://i.imgur.com/yrzKbAC.png)

Here's some npc I already made, feel free to dissect them, reuse parts or recolor them:
(http://i.imgur.com/WfRcOo8.png) (http://i.imgur.com/TGMytt7.png)
I'll post an update version of the female npcs once I finished more of them.

Here's the colors I used (if you use asesprite it's "edg32"):
(http://i.imgur.com/MWaNrPL.png)
You don't have to use these, but they're guaranteed to match the ingame graphics if you do. 

Just post what you make in this thread and I'll add it to the game.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Dr. Ace on March 26, 2017, 06:24:12 AM
Made a quick fat guy template. I'll add some fat-guy npcs later.

(http://i.imgur.com/H05LWkW.png)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on March 26, 2017, 12:58:09 PM
Oh so that's the style! Mono nice looking. Though making it from hand....  :-\ That looks challenging! Maybe the Big Z should leave this one alone. Fishman can have my spot.  :bend: I'm dropping out.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 26, 2017, 01:15:03 PM
Oh so that's the style! Mono nice looking. Though making it from hand....  :-\ That looks challenging! Maybe the Big Z should leave this one alone. Fishman can have my spot.  :bend: I'm dropping out.

Are you sure? There will be plenty of finished resources to work with and if you're missing anything just ask me and I'll whip something up for you.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 26, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
Erm is there space for me to do a chapter? : S
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on March 26, 2017, 06:55:11 PM
Are you sure? There will be plenty of finished resources to work with and if you're missing anything just ask me and I'll whip something up for you.

Yeah. I thought about it and my gane demo is almost ready! I'm mondo excited to see it done after so long just working on it.  _sweat_  I'm not going to give it up for free though. >:D. Fishman since I'm doing this you owe me one on my game AND you have to put Proud Mary in the game somewhere. Doesn't have to be playable BUT she must have some lines. Acceptable?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 27, 2017, 01:19:09 AM
Erm is there space for me to do a chapter? : S

There is now!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on March 27, 2017, 02:18:54 AM
Those sprites look nice!
I'll try to do something tonight with them. Do you already have an idea on the plot and main characters in general? I'm just wondering how you guys work on chain games actually, each community seems to do it differently.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 27, 2017, 03:19:05 AM
In the past we gone in completely blind to it, but if people would prefer a summery of the story in chapter 1 I can provide that.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on March 29, 2017, 07:05:46 AM
If you guys usually do it blind, then that's fine :)
Also, I had time to make a countryman chara yesterday. Not quite satisfied with the hat, but I couldn't make it look more satisfying to me
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/UT9EOOSZZwrNjnunEpKIToJBjTmGmL2N0jVAjevMhKGdqsUUgAm_tN8UEECoDvVkYo9EhI92=w1016-h563)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on March 29, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
Agreed, Zolty. ^_^ But before we get too far ahead of ourselves....My RPG Maker 2003 and tried to import some sets I made after fomating them and pasting them to the sheet provided....it said they were the wrong size. o.O So I tried to import the ones you had already made and it gave me the same line of BS. -.-;;  Anybody else having that problem?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Prpl_Mage on March 30, 2017, 12:08:48 AM
Well those are lines of three NPCs, a charset sheet has four lines
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 30, 2017, 12:53:21 AM
If you guys usually do it blind, then that's fine :)
Also, I had time to make a countryman chara yesterday. Not quite satisfied with the hat, but I couldn't make it look more satisfying to me
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/UT9EOOSZZwrNjnunEpKIToJBjTmGmL2N0jVAjevMhKGdqsUUgAm_tN8UEECoDvVkYo9EhI92=w1016-h563)

The image is broken for me, Donut.

Agreed, Zolty. ^_^ But before we get too far ahead of ourselves....My RPG Maker 2003 and tried to import some sets I made after fomating them and pasting them to the sheet provided....it said they were the wrong size. o.O So I tried to import the ones you had already made and it gave me the same line of BS. -.-;;  Anybody else having that problem?

Yeah, f'ed up the number of characters in the sheets. Never use the importer, don't know if they need to be full size.  Anyway, here, filled up the sheets:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ea13hFJ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/35TojvA.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7UKOAlx.png)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on March 30, 2017, 01:18:43 AM
Weird. Maybe my gdrive is down, it happens sometimes.
(https://s16.postimg.org/ifajjsj39/yrz_Kb_AC.png)

Will try to make a few more in the train today, as I have a 4h travel by train
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on March 31, 2017, 10:37:16 AM
Looks great, Donut. I've added it to the game.

Progress report: Sorry, not going as fast as I usually am with these thing. I'd say I'm about halfway done with the chapter but I also want to take time to do some extra chipsets and stuff just so there are materials to work with. Combined with me having to work a bunch of overtime this weekend I'm afraid it's gonna be at least another week before the chapter is ready.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Prpl_Mage on March 31, 2017, 04:57:04 PM
Looks great, Donut. I've added it to the game.

Progress report: Sorry, not going as fast as I usually am with these thing. I'd say I'm about halfway done with the chapter but I also want to take time to do some extra chipsets and stuff just so there are materials to work with. Combined with me having to work a bunch of overtime this weekend I'm afraid it's gonna be at least another week before the chapter is ready.

No stress, you only pitched the idea some week back so we are within the reasonable timeframe
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Dr. Ace on March 31, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
I'm a bit rusty with spriting (about 5 years) but here's a thing I made.

(http://i.imgur.com/M4WTU74.png)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on April 01, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
Okay I made a few myself. I rather like this simple and yet expressive style, Red. Nice job designing it.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/david-n-dent/Fishs%20CCG%205%20EXAMPLEs_zpsmtttfotn.png) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/david-n-dent/media/Fishs%20CCG%205%20EXAMPLEs_zpsmtttfotn.png.html)

The top most are, as you can plainly see, finished sets. The bottom ones are ones that are either single direction or WIPs. X3 I'm most proud of the the evil clown/ring master type guy. I made him from an adapted 'fat' temp. I also made some black Charasets cause you know we've never had any in chain games hardly. Playable, NPC or enemies even. o.o; I thinkthe first technically was one of Sally's pirate band who's name I forget. Also did me so I can be in our Convo Box or maybe just sort of standing on my own chapter title. Whichever works really. And yes that is a ball gag and latex mankini. =P
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on April 03, 2017, 05:50:57 AM
Really nice, Fish, I like the horsy one :)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on April 03, 2017, 03:37:06 PM
Yeah, Fish, looks real good, I'll include them in the project.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on April 12, 2017, 06:12:21 AM
How is it going?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on April 12, 2017, 05:09:30 PM
I'm so close to finish it. Working on the final scene and then I need to add some sfx to another cutscene and it's done. My goal is to get it to next person by sunday, it should give me sometime to do some extra graphics as well.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on April 15, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
speaking of here's another couple of finished sets.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/david-n-dent/New%20CCG5%202_zpsxyvobwph.png) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/david-n-dent/media/New%20CCG5%202_zpsxyvobwph.png.html)

A gal in arm binders, the finished horse cos-player and bad *** guy in an AC-DC T-shirt.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on April 15, 2017, 03:19:39 AM
Awesome Fish! I'll add them to the project.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on April 16, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
I've finished and sent the game to Dr.Ace.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Dr. Ace on April 20, 2017, 08:39:13 AM
I want to let everyone know that I've received the game and played it (really nice work Momeka) but that my health issues atm are holding me back to work on it. So it might take a bit longer than I hoped. Luckily I got a week off so maybe some rest will do me well.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on April 21, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
Here's some monsters I doodled and never used. So if anyone wants to use them feel free to do so.

(http://i.imgur.com/kW9xnQt.png) (http://i.imgur.com/c410xD5.png) (http://i.imgur.com/t9MsHL0.png) (http://i.imgur.com/WBc1k61.png) (http://i.imgur.com/CyPlyys.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Cbz7o6M.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Rd0761Z.png)
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Dr. Ace on May 19, 2017, 04:51:46 AM
After being sick for a while, I'm now swamped in catching up to work. I was hoping to find some time to work on the chaingame, but sadly I'm too tired to work on it. It would work a lot better if I get to work on it in the summer, so I want to swap spots with Donut. Lemme know.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on May 19, 2017, 05:22:56 AM
I don't have much work recently, so I don't mind :)
I won't be able to start working on it this weekend though, as I have to visit family.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on May 19, 2017, 03:14:39 PM
I pm'd you the chapter. Good luck and have fun!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on May 24, 2017, 03:19:44 AM
Played through the chapter, really like what you've done, and the amount of work you must have provided. I've got an idea on how to continue the story, I hope I can make my chapter as good!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on May 28, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
Still excited : )
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on June 01, 2017, 09:20:11 AM
Played through the chapter, really like what you've done, and the amount of work you must have provided. I've got an idea on how to continue the story, I hope I can make my chapter as good!

Sir Momo always makes a cool opener from the ones I've played so far. Granted that's just 1,3 and 4 but I asked Fishman and he said that technically there's only three because the second one died in mid design or something and only a demo of the first chapter existed.  :o Weird.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on June 01, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
Thanks Z.

the second one died in mid design or something and only a demo of the first chapter existed.  :o Weird.

Hey fish, do you still have that demo?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on June 02, 2017, 12:07:36 AM
Hey guys!
Bad news for me today. After 6 years of loyal services, and 3 days of randomly freezing for seconds, my MacBook died yesterday and is impossible to reboot or anything. I've tried many of the solutions to those problems suggested by Apple, without any luck. This means I am unable to finish my chapter of the chain game. Customer services will need about two weeks to see what they can do, but it seems more than likely that I'll have to buy a new computer. Unfortunately, the Mac died during a backup, which fucked up my backing hard drive as well, making it unusable. I can still provide plot and design ideas I had for my chapter but that's about it :( I hope either the Mac will be replaced or fixed (cheaper) by the end of the month, but until then I am afraid I can't do anything :( This comes even more as a hard hit as I need the computer much for work use (guess I'll have to use one of the shitty Ubuntu ones that Uni has...) And that I don't have much money for a new laptop atm...
Sorry about that :(
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on June 02, 2017, 05:34:42 AM
Ah, that really sucks. I was looking forward to see what you would do.

Asked Dr.Ace, but he doesn't have time to do a chapter so I've sent a pm to Fish as he is next up.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Prpl_Mage on June 02, 2017, 01:39:24 PM
Hey guys!
Bad news for me today. After 6 years of loyal services, and 3 days of randomly freezing for seconds, my MacBook died yesterday and is impossible to reboot or anything. I've tried many of the solutions to those problems suggested by Apple, without any luck. This means I am unable to finish my chapter of the chain game. Customer services will need about two weeks to see what they can do, but it seems more than likely that I'll have to buy a new computer. Unfortunately, the Mac died during a backup, which fucked up my backing hard drive as well, making it unusable. I can still provide plot and design ideas I had for my chapter but that's about it :( I hope either the Mac will be replaced or fixed (cheaper) by the end of the month, but until then I am afraid I can't do anything :( This comes even more as a hard hit as I need the computer much for work use (guess I'll have to use one of the shitty Ubuntu ones that Uni has...) And that I don't have much money for a new laptop atm...
Sorry about that :(

Sorry to hear that, hope they can straighten things out.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on June 03, 2017, 01:25:26 AM
Noooooo! I'm so sorry for ya, Donut! It sucks to have your computer blow up and take your chapter with it. =/ A terrible first Chain Game experience but hey it could be worse! You could be like me and kill one by taking too long with your chapter till there's nobody to take it. ^_^; Looks like it's up to me then! I'll just need to get to a wi-fi source, buy ME:3 and NOT PLAY IT!! XD At least till I'm done codding a chapter so good it will be heralded and envied!

....Or at least not contain a fifteen minute crawl that has very little to do with the game. <.<
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on June 03, 2017, 02:38:49 AM
Fish, I've pm'd you the game.

Donut: Do you want a spot further down the list or should I remove you from the queue?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Donut on June 06, 2017, 03:18:13 AM
After Fish would be fine. Support was faster than expected to tell me the computer was definitively dead (I'll get it back to harvest usable components for one of my friends), and I ordered a new one (Lenovo Yoga 510, better than my macbook pro - not too expensive so that I could afford it) which should arrive in the upcoming weeks.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on June 09, 2017, 12:04:26 AM
Okay so I played through and I freaking loved it! ^_^ Just got to wait till Donut responds with what he did before I decide to proceed but I'm drawing up alternate scenarios while I wait and tweaking the skills as there were none for the heroes and I'm actually pretty decent at that. Tomorrow I'll do some real work though hopefully!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on June 23, 2017, 02:44:51 PM
Would it be out of place for Big Z to ask about how the Chain Game is doing?
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on June 23, 2017, 11:12:56 PM
Well it was doing freaking awesome till Steam locked me out of my RPG maker 2003!! XO Ohhh I am angry! All I did was buy like five games today and now it won't unlock my Steam 2003....Yet I can play Skyrim or anything else....just not 2003. -.- Gonna try to get to the library ASAP and Red will get a backup copy.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Momeka on June 24, 2017, 06:08:56 AM
How is it locking you out?

I'll be leaving on a vacation thing on monday and will be gone for two months. So I won't be able to be around and managing things until like end of August/beginning of September.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on June 25, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
How is it locking you out?

I'll be leaving on a vacation thing on monday and will be gone for two months. So I won't be able to be around and managing things until like end of August/beginning of September.

It locked me out....I'm not even sure. Sometimes it does freeze which is what I thought this was. Just a freeze cause I could get in but none of my icons but Skyrim would work. It's weird. I request an additional two days past my deadline even though I likely won't need them. I was just writing the last two cut scenes there likely were to be needed. Honestly my hard codding is down to one mini game, a few keys to open the last dungeon door and monsters. My final boss is done and I've play tested to balance it even. Managed to beat it on level 7 with all the right gear.

That's fine. Like I said I'll go to a wi-fi source and try DLing the stuff I bought and see if that unlocks it since it was working fine until I bought some games on the Steam Sale so logically that has to be it. XD I'm not too worried ....unless this fails....Then I'll just send it on and mark the game as cursed o.o; One weird incident? Coincidence. Two? That's a curse.
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Zoltar on June 26, 2017, 04:15:57 PM
 :o You don't let anything keep you down do you, Fishman? Good luck! Mondo good luck!
Title: Re: Another Chain Game?
Post by: Fisherson on June 26, 2017, 06:11:41 PM
Oh I have a reason for not letting much get me down. Life steps on me and I push...FORCE PUSH!

*Force Leaps up with his eyes closed and tackles the big, metallic beastie that is Steam slicing it to ribbons and taking the game back and holding it aloft screaming primaly as an image of Devon, Jack and Juno appear behind me lifting their various over sized and over powered weapons up joining in. Past Chain Game villains sigh and go back to the drawing board...*

 It's working again and I got a better idea for my puzzle now that will make it even more infuriating. =D So it's off to work I go...and something about ho's!