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Off-Topic => Really Old Stuff => Archive => Charas Project Support => Topic started by: Alex on July 13, 2003, 08:54:30 AM
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Ok, i and X-F3R began this discussion going totally ot in a Cosmo's topic (sorry!).
So here i report our posts, we'll continue here.
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Alex, you are the owner of the site right? i have a heck loads of questions if you are...i mean... you do pay for this right? lol... just woke up... can't think straight... better drink some coffee...lol
argh! off for coffee...cya guys...oh yeah... keep em' resources comin...lol
X-F3R
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Yes, i am the owner.
What i pay for it is unexpected, as Charas success itself.
But it's another story.... Because unfortunatly servers and bandwidth are not for free, and i have absolutely nothing, for the material world.
I'm rich inside, thanks to me, thanks to you, thanks to all the world.
But soon i and you all will have to face how to solve this, over the spirit.
But, as i told, it's another story....
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***But soon i and you all will have to face how to solve this, over the spirit***
that sounded as if the site is gonna close... not yet, not ever... cuz this is the place where i learned how to Rm2K...lol anyways, i dun wanna put a lot into other people's minds so i'll just ask a few Qs:
well... first of all, is the fee fixed? or does is increase/decrease due to:
the amount of people who come here daily?
the amount of stuff you upload into the site?
and another is, do you host people? hehehehe. no, i'm not asking you to host me, if that's what you got in mind... i may be lucky, but not THAT lucky and hey, i hate wasting other people's money for my own pleasures/wants... why i ask this? lol... i always ask web masters this question... if i get in any contact with them
oh yeah... exactly... how much do you pay nowadays... calculate to $US pls...lol...sorry... and thanks..
anyways, better finish breakfast...lol
X-F3R
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well... first of all, is the fee fixed? or does is increase/decrease due to:
the amount of people who come here daily?
the amount of stuff you upload into the site?
No, the fee is not fix. It changes due to bandwith usage.
So uploaded things (disk space) is not a problem, what makes the differences is how many peoples download it.
So the correct answer is "the amount of people who come here daily".
and another is, do you host people?
Yes. But not on the charas machine.
I offer hosting-domain solution through hotdot.biz
oh yeah... exactly... how much do you pay nowadays... calculate to $US pls...lol...sorry... and thanks..
No secrets here...
We now generate more than 12.000.000 monthly hits, and 14-15 Gb of bandwith consumption.
Here you can see fees applyed by my provider. Our server is a "Large" one.
So, at the end, now we're around $195 only for bandwith, excluding hardware rental and other stuffs.
that sounded as if the site is gonna close...
NO, really hope not!
But we will have to find out how to make Charas paying itself, those fees begins to be a problem, for me....
Sorry for this "merchant" topic, but this is an open community.
I think it's right that everyone knows how it works, in every sense.
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wow man... what do you do for a living? (what's your occupation? other than a web master)
wait... you get more than 12 MILLION hits per month?
well... have you ever considered changing servers? i mean... no offence to those who own ombra.net... but some people just goes with the odds (like Karl Malone, he's in the LA Lakers now... he want's to taste NBA gold, i tell you that...)... so... if there was one that was cheaper and stuff... will you change?
X-F3R
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What i do?
The webmaser.
And want to know of what? Ombra.net! ;)
Yes, i am into the society who owns ombra.net. And Charas is on the same machines.
But being in a society means that money you take is what the site itself produces, and right now it's not that much.
Less than 500$ per month, to be precise.
That's my income.
And i live alone, so you can easily understand why those $195 per month are huge.
Right now, is ombra itself who pays for us.
But it's not correct: and this is why i think Charas need to find a way to support itself.
Because we cannot ask Ombra to support us forever, just because it has the same source....
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your income is through this? wow... 500 us right? if it is then... i could earn 3500 bucks for owning a site... lol but nah.. being a web master's not my stuff... i'm a web DESIGNER... i mentioned this a lot... in my xanga... to the people back in school... i mean... just check this out...
http://www.geocities.com/the_mad_game/
yes, that's my homepage...lol... anyways, back to the topic...
you earn money by being a web master? cuz 500 USD is about 3500 HKD...
wait... i got confused on the part where you went...
And want to know of what? Ombra.net! Yes, i am into the society who owns ombra.net. And Charas is on the same machines....
does that mean that you ARE the OWNER of ombra.net? lol.. i am really stupid nowadays... so many stuff happening...
hehehe... sorry for asking crap loads of questions... but i am a curious person...
X-F3R
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Exactly. I am one of the owners of Ombra.net.
And my income is from there.
And with that i've to pay everithing i do in my life: food, travels, school, instruments...
And Charas too.
Well, i'm 26... how long may i go straight this way?
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OOO! one of the owners? karamba...err... i mean.. MAMA MIA...lol... but living with the support of only the site is hard... i mean.. shopping, rations...lol 'rations'... food and stuff... you are a musician right? so why not err...well i'm not in the position to ask/tell/say (you) this but anyways, why not get a job of a musician... part time maybe? my dad's a musician, and i am gonna be one too... lol... part time only, at least... i mean 500 bucks a month's like... wait... houses there are OWNED right? cuz homes here in hong kong are rented... then there's the site rent which is also in the bill... karamba... man... wow... and u still study?(no offence...lol) well, hope you get really great/high marks/grades in your studies
anyway, i'm currently looking for a summer job cuz i wanna save up as early as possible so i can do anything in the future...say.. when i finish college/university? if i ever get there...
well, thanks for the info... u're my role-model now... lol... now i know how hard it is to own a site... well it's not that hard, but i mean, you have to manage stuff as well as plan... oh yeah.. and may i ask, what (course) are you currently studying? i want to be an architect so if anyone here knows a thing or 2, then pls gimme some info cuz i wanna know more about it...
thanks again Alex
X-F3R
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Oh yes, sometimes i do something with music too.
But only when i like it. I don't want to merchantize it, just because i am "payed".
More often i do it for free ;)
About studying? Well:
I did 2 years at pure mathematic and informatics, now i am at licterature and philosophy, also in section artistic and show tecniques.
I was for 14 years in the musc school, now i have a degree in classical harp and advanced classlevel of composition / experimental composition and piano.
But now, with no mercy, back to topic: has anyone some ideas on how to "transorm" Charas in a self-survive site?
I've already tryied with ads, but they're a fake... I think we need sustainers...
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ok... wait... how do you earn more bucks through the site? by more people coming here? if that's the way it works... well... more people coming in = pay more, right?
how about affiliating Charas with big-named-RM2K-sites such as RPG2Knet (many @$$wipes there... you know my reason...) and Hell Fusion. that way you can get more hits, IF that is the way of earning more bucks...
if that's not the way to earn more bucks... then how do you earn it? and, did you not mention the you were -ONE- of the owners of ombra.net? i think you guys are doing this already... but here goes... why not...lol forgot the word... err... for example, the rent costs say... 400 bucks per month and there are 4 of you, each of you plays 100 monthly ... lol... just remembered the word... split... =P anyways, add up the 4 of your 100 bucks and that'll add up to 400 right? anyways, you should be getting what i mean...
=P speaking of 400, alex i'm helping you get your posts to 500 ahahahaha... anyways... back to the topic... welll finished already actually... =P
anyways, someone posted earlier that
You are the most friendly and active Web Master i've ever met
or somethime like that, anyways, this is true and other web masters should follow this example so that they know what's going on in the sites they pay for. you know what, Alex? you really are a good example for a role-model =P
no, no butt-kissing, just being honest. KIDS, take his example if you wanna go own your own site, even if it's porn related...lol
ahhh... anyways, if the only way to earn more bucks is to get more hits per month, my opinion is to affiliate this site with the big named RM2K sites... and probably not through search engines... why? many kid, pre-teens and teens don't use them that much... i mean, through my eyes, cuz i found this site through Yahoo!... errr... ok.. maybe search engines' also a good idea, but affiliating Charas is still better because, it IS a big name site right? so, if you are in their affilates, then ppl surfing there will probably(eventually) come here to charas, then they'll spread the word to other people, yada yada yada... lol... i mean... i've been to Hell Fusion, GamingW and Dark Dominion, and havnt seen Charas on their affiliates, nor their links. i told myself, man, these f---ers are missing out a lot...(yeah, i can get very verbal at times, sorry guys) why not affiliate yourself with them? or get to their links section? i mean... oh yeah! i checked their links.. and didn't see charas!(that's why i got verbal... =P) can i let my mind run? cuz it's just bursting out with rage... lol.. rather not... this will effect the RPG2K community...heheh well anyways you know what i mean... hehehe
X-F3R
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Thanks for all you're saying, my friend.
Ok, now, we're playing open, and open i wanna be.
Yes, i'm one of the Ombra's owner, but ombra is another thing.
Ombra is a portal for Venice, my lovely city.
Charas has nothing to do with that.
Simply, as webmaster, i sometimes use a personal page on Ombra (alex.ombra.net) to do my experiments.
Charas was one. I had that idea, and with 2-3 peoples and 11 resources i began to code it.
Php was needed, and also some special server-side options.
So my "area" was perfect.
The success Charas now have was totally unexpected: it was just a programming experiment, noone was thinking about it as you know it today.
Ok, no prob.
But Charas resource consumption (disk space and bandwith) are mine.
Ombra is the machine, Charas was born here. That's why Ombra is paying for it now: simply because it's on the same servers.
And this is good for me: i absolutely cannot do something like Charas in a free host. I need a dedicated server.
But Charas is not Ombra: if Charas costs 400, is Alex that should find that 400.
The 13 million hits, the 15Gb we use are ONLY charas.
More hits is more bandwidth, and more satisfaction.
But not more money: noone pays me for the hits i reach.
We don't need more visitor, to save ourselves: we need, sad to say, money.
Yes, webmastering is also this: noone gives you something for nothing.
Take this in mind, as wise words:
World is built on this. But NEVER, and i repeat NEVER do something just for money. They will destroy you and the quality of your works and lifestyle.
Money is not the target: never make this error.
But now, you could say, we need money!
True: but not as a target. My target is to leave Charas in life, giving passion and good teaching as much as i can. They're only the way to reach the real target.
Never forget.
That's it.
I really hope now you all understood what's behind Charas, and also what are we risking.
If no solution will be found, we'll not reach the target.
Charas risks to die....
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it'll probably not make a lot of money, but you could sell T-shirts with a charas logo or something...
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true... but you'll have to USE money to buy them T-Shirts first, then gain profit by increasing the price a little... anyways, for the logo... well... no offence but i don't think it's 'evitable'...lol... why?
well, to design a shirt with a logo, it must again have matching colors... =P... well... charas is pretty green and orange... but, it still can be altared tho' cuz people nowdays tend to wear white, black and blue... and the design of it... i mean... you can out those logos in black, white and (dark)blue shirts... but then... well, fellow teenagers, you should know what i mean. well... maybe start a flash cartoon or somthing, then make action figures of it and start selling it and stuff... but that costs more than the T-Shirts... but hey, when you start a business, no matter how small it is, you better take risks... but be wise at the same time... so yeah...
anyways, back off-topic (...ahahahaha i can't help it!) alex, i remember you saying that you'd play music for free, THAT'S THE PRIDE OF MUSIC! YOU DON'T DO IT FOR MONEY! YOU DO IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LISTEN TO IT! AMEN, BROTHA!!!
ahahah that's all i hafta say right now
X-F3R
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We've already tryied it.
We discussed this in the other Charas forum on vgmaker (http://vgmaker.gamesurf.it), (only italian).
But considering production, export, etc, we understood that it could gain no more then 2-3 real $ for shirt.
And i don't think we can really sell 80-100 shirts per month...
Anyhow, really many thanks for the idea, this is what we need: to be all as one!
This way, we'll survive for sure! ;)
BTW: what about a "donation" page? Do you think it may do something?
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BTW: what about a "donation" page? Do you think it may do something?
well... depends on how many 'kind, loving, caring, beautiful' people there are... i mean... yeah... maybe for some RM2K users, yeah... but for the others, well.. hard to explain.. but you know what i mean... well.. some people seeks advantage when they get the chance, right?
anyways, why not make a program or something then let the trial version be downloadable... but still... there are so-called 'crackers' out there... so yeah.. i mean... just look at this (warning: adult content) http://www.cracks.am
so there... i know it's impossible to make a program 'crack-proof' but at least make it crack-proof fow now. so that would work, but it won't last forever due to them cracks n hacks.
yeah... i want to help charas in any way possible... why? *quote from my site* This is the place where i learned to 'RM2K'!*End quote* so yeah... this would be a site that i'd bookmark in my favourites list even if i'm 40 yrs old (let's just hope that charas lasts that long)... so yeah... this site has somewhat became part of my so-called 'family'...hehehe i sound gay right? well, i'm not! i got a girl and all already... =D
so there's a few words of opinion, suggestion and thanks
X-F3R
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well, I don't think you're gonne get 200 by donations every month
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About those shirts, there is a free service on (http://www.cafepress.com). I'm signed onto it.
Or you could use an affiliate system or something, or an ads system (uses lots of pop-ups though).
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I'm really worried! I don't want charas die!
It's too much important! It's too much beautiful!
Charas it's the first web site that really help all boys (and girls) who makes amatorial videogames!
And it do it free money!
We must find something to do... WE MUST! :s
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....about possible troubles with Charas, and I wish I was in more of a position to do something about it.
I agree with SMB, Charas cannot die!
Have you talked to Don Miguel?
One sales suggestion someone had in the thread was a good idea -- the T-shirt. However, since a lot of us live in different places would shipping be outrageous?
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sell programs? i mean... we have lots of *talented* programmers... so if you can make a nice prgram.. like a "PhP Dreamweaver"... lol(is that possible?) and sell it through Charas or make a site about it in Ombra... so yeah... i just woke up... can't think of what else to say =P
Happy summer guys [Charas Will Live!!!]
Josh S Garcia JR A.K.A: X-F3R(i reveal my name in respect... =P)
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First of all, thanks to everyone here for partecipating this discussion. I fell this as a true relief, belive me.
Now, my own thoughts about what is was proposed here.
I don't wanna to seem an "idea-destroyer", just objective.
SELL PROGRAMS: Well, it may be true, but before we have to.. create them! And with tons of free softwares out there, do you really think someone will buy our's?
Also consider that we should need a really high quality software: it needs lots of good developers and lot of time too...
ADS: the worster thing. I tryed it, in the forum you can still see them. Ads don't pay: you can have something if someone will BUY on their site after cliking on a banner placed here. I think this will almost never happen.
The other chance is pay per click (only need someone click on the banner, no need he also buy something): but this will gives you something as 0.3$ for 1000 Clicks! Impossible to count on this, i think...
SHIRTS: it should be fun, but unuseful. We should sell as many shirts as Benetton does to have a real help from them...
Shirts may be possible ifmerchantized by a third party. Something like "benetton sells Charas's shirts paying Charas for using it's name". A sort of royality.
But i don't know if this may be possible, it 's really out of my knowledge.
Also something similar may be done for other things: imagine for example a CocaCola edition with Charas on the cans! ;)
If anyone knows if this is possible and how to perform it, feel free to say it.
At the end, one funny thing i noticed: as registered users, we are now 2752. Gosh, if we only could find a way to "donate" 1$ per user, we could cover one entire year with also an extra of 300$ for new hard disks! ;)
But maybe this is too much to hope... or not?
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Alex, in response to your last point, I didn't know Charas had that many registered users. I only notice a few regular posters in the time I've been here. I don't know.....perhaps you email the registered users and ask them to donate $1? How would they pay this ... there are online payment services out there like Paypal ... but those require users to have a credit card or some kind of account.
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I think most of the registered users came here once and that's it, they aren't going to all pay 1$ for charas :(
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well... if may have a tweak of success... but still.. nothing's not worth trying for... well.. i'd donate $10...wel i won't nowadays cuz of SARS... yeah... it's affected Hong Kong's ecomony... but still.. if i could, then i would (i'll go wherever you will go...lol)...=P anyways... sorry for the "Hyperness" nowadays... ahahahaha it's just because many unexpected things has happened... many GOOD unexpected things... welll anyways, don't want to get off topic so yeah... like i said, we have many talented programmers here in Charas. well... millions of free software right? well... we can combine the add thingy and the software... hehehe not thinking straight... lol... sorry guys... u know the reason.. hehehe
that's all i have to say for now
X-F3R
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Originally posted by danilynnarthur
Alex, in response to your last point, I didn't know Charas had that many registered users. I only notice a few regular posters in the time I've been here. I don't know.....perhaps you email the registered users and ask them to donate $1? How would they pay this ... there are online payment services out there like Paypal ... but those require users to have a credit card or some kind of account.
Well, it was more near to a joke than to reality, but i can say more on this "game"...
There was an old system for supporting first bbs's admins. There was no credit cards online (well, there wasn't "online" as we know today, too ;)), and sending few money wasn't convenient: more for transaction than donation itself!
So, what they did?
Simply, the Admin communicated his home address, and supporters sent him paper money (enclosed in a normal letter paper) into an envelope via normal mail.
So, only extra required was the postage stamp ;)
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Hey, just a quick note, I just recently found your site, and I love it. I read everybody's suggestions, and I think you are ignoring an important fact, people love to compete, why not allow the users of this site (come one, there's gotta at least be a couple hundred regulars a month) compete for a #1,2,3 place donator. Their reward, I don't know, a hall of fame for the donators of the months, maybe a spiffy version of Charas, like one with their name in the credits or something. I'd gladly create a new resource peice every month to reward people for donating, I'd also likely try winning once in while, when I finally start getting paid from my MX track. Another reward might be something like Little prizes, say one of those T-shirts for the donator of the month. Well, I hope my suggestions help, if not, I tried, and I'll keep thinking, one thing I'm good at. And good luck to us all on solving this problem.
oh ya, Alex, your the man :bend:
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About those shirts, it may not be a big help, but all the little bits help, right?
Ow, and I can create a CD for you! You could sell CD's on Caffeepress! And I can sing! I really do!
No, honnest! I can sing!
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I think we should try to get coca cola to sponsor us ;), and I'd love to hear you sing gary :p
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I can sing too! ;)
I was a singer in a rock band for many years and I'm not bad! ;)
But really we need a sponsor, is'it possible that noone still love us so much? :(
And we can also do the t-shirts, selling some shirts, some Gary's CD's, some SMB CD's, Alex can ask money in S.Marco's square... :D
All together we can do it!
"Let's do the thing!" (sorry, yesterday's evening I was to the cinema and seen 8mile"... (J) )
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SMB, you should ask nintendo to sponsor us, you're already advertising for them so why not let them pay us :p
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Mmh, i hear something interesting, i may say.
The idea of a "pro-support" area would be fine. A place where we can do wathever we want for Charas support.
Gary is right, about shirts: it may not be a big help, but all the little bits helps.
True. Absolutely true.
Also rpgggamer "donator contest" idea is good. A prize to show what you did may invite you to... do! ;)
And CDs?
Maybe more complex, but why not?
The idea which is growing now in my mind is somethng like this:
Create an Area containing users's production made for Charas, asking a little offer for them. Something as asking some money while playing music on the street.
What i see in this Area is EVERYTHING: gifts, artworks, mp3s, shirts, gadgets... whatever we think we can REALLY handle.
I think that if someone see that page, knowing that all of that material was done to "ask a little help", he can only understand how much we belive in this project. And maybe, some helps may arrive!
The only thing to solve (not that easy) is: how may we receive offers?
If i'll set up something as an online payment (as paypal), we'll cut out whoever doesn't have a credit card.
A 12 yo user may wants to donate 1 little $, but he cannot via online payment systems.
Maybe the "post office" tip is really possible?
What do you think of all of this?
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...Gary said something about CDs....why not make a CD of the Charas site itself? I mean, all the resources. I dunno how plausible that would be. They can't go to waste that way. I know GPI has the Charas offline program....dunno if he'd want to sell that...but I was thinking since there's more material on the Charas site like the facesets and stuff.... just a thought.
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This can also be a good thing for the "support Area".
But it's really hard to do.
Charas is not only an online tool, it NEEDS to be online because it uses some feature which are part only of a web server.
But i may try to do a "static" version. Not that easy, but maybe also not impossible.
Anyhow, we've to solve two main problems, before doing all of this:
1) if the "object" is to be sent (as the shirt or a cd), how may we send it?
2) how and were to receive payments?
But i fell we're on the right way... Thank you all, i cannot say more.
REALLY thanks.
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If we sell something we must send it, right Alex!
We can ask for a convention with an express transport (like UPS for example) to have a low price, but this means that we must ask also haulage expenses.
For the payment it's not easy, the credit card is too much rare in young people, I think that post office is the only way, a c.c.p. payment is accessible for all of us, right?
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Yeah! I really need attention. I need everyone to know that I can write songs, so if I sing, it would not only support Charas a bit, but will also promote ME a bit more!
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Yeah! Charas Records!!! ;)
Ok, ok, joking.
Well, now it's time for 2 questions that really needs your answer.
Me and SMB know perfectly how money sending is possible (and cheaper) here in Italy. Because we don't want to spend 10$ to send 1, simple.
But now we need to know what's the best for all over the world, because Charas is worldwide.
And i need to organize myself for this, to proceed.
These are the questions, finally:
1) So, just imagine: if you would like to send few money (as 1-2$) in Italy, what's the best system for you?
2) And what's the best if you should also receive something "physical" (as cd, gadgets, and so on)?
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for me I guess post, but I don't know what the extra costs would be to send it to italy .... or you could let people write it over to your bank account.
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Luckily I live in Europe, and I have the Euro.
Sadly my parents won't allow me to send money over post.
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well... gary, since u want to be heard, open up the Sound Recorder that's provided in Windows, dust, clean and shine up that good ol' mic of yours, and do your thing... cuz if you guys plan on starting a band, u'd have to meet up personally... i mean... i can also jam (heavy metal, death metal mostly, but i also play alternative hehehe) but i'm already on my last year in high school... i'll have to study real hard... HELP GUYS!!! lol... anyways, back to the topic... if i were to donate bucks to you... well... i'd personally go there myself... cuz through mail is pretty expensive... well... not THAT expensive... but still... but now, mail is the only option... and to recieve hardware? DHL, EPS... whatever... cuz that's the only way to probably get it...
i see that eshirt.it banner up there... so why not do stuff like that? provide a shirt with "logo of your choice" service? that would be a blast... but we're doing it for CHARAS.... so it must be Charas related... lol... maybe it doesnt have to be... i mean... how does Heavy and Death Metal connect with RM2K? lol...
hehehe can't think of anything else to say... sorry marn!
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Ok, guys.
I thought, now time to explain you how i see this stuff.
But let's go over and give a look here:
http://charas-project.net/support.php
This is the test page i'm preparing.
The base idea is to create a special "resource area", where to place every kind of original work made originally for this.
This can include games, mp3s, artworks, posters, texts... everything.
Simply as i wrote in that page, "here you'll find works created by users and donated to Charas to promote it's support".
So original works are a must.
About donations, i placed two ways: one using paypal (i'll go tomorrow to open a bank accout for that, isn't finished yet) and one for who is without credit card.
Simply i wrote my home address (please don't abuse it, eh? ;)), so everyone can chosse the better way for him to send something.
What do you think of this?
Do you think this can work?
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here's a first gift
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Cosmo, absolutely great.
Thanks, thanks a lot!
Ok, now... before linking the support page officially from Charas too, do you have some suggestion?
The text sounds ok to you?
If so, then time for high quality resourcing!
As i wrote there, everything is allowed, just have to be totally original.
Resources to ge there are important, really important: and that area will be a great showcase for whoever can do something more. So don't worry if you cannot do something "high" if you're still not able to do it: your time will come!
And me?
Well, I hope to find some good mic to record some better harp pieces too! ;)
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the page looks good to me
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and Requirements... but hey... everyone's human... =P
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Ok, requirement correct.
For survive, will wait for Cosmo's update
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I want to give a suggestion, I see that only few of us is writing here, in this topic, so for this important question I think it's necessary to send a message to all Charas forum's members to advise of this!
Can you do it Alex?
Now I go work to an idea for a T-Shirt that I hope you will like! ;)
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ugh, I shoulda known something would ge wrong
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Is Via as in "Via Ferro" (or something like that)? So that Via is required?
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Ok, artwork updatet.
Gary: Yes, "Via" is required.
It means "street"
The address, as i wrote it, should be fine from everywhere.
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Yes, I know Via is street. Or was it road? Because Via Ferra (I think this is it) meant iron road, or railroad track, or am I wrong?
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"via ferrata" means ironroad or railroad.
But "via Ferrata" means "Ferrata's road".
It's just a name.
Mine is "via Cipro", which simply is a street named Cipro.
Nothing else ;)
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Cyprus Road! (J)
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DONE!
Support page is out, officially.
Will see, hope it will work!
You know? What i really like is to associate it with the idea of "high quality resources". I expect much from this.
Now, one little extra: attached here you can find the actual "lang pack" of charas. Italian and English are done, i'd need translations for the other langs (german, french, spanish and dutch), at least for the last part about the support area.
Thank you!
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I can do dutch if you want.
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Cool!
Ok, dutch to Cosmo, now waiting for the others.
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My apologies, haven't been here for a few days, most of you know why.
You guys are selling support packs? What are those?
If you're selling stuff you have to spread the word on other RM2K sites, besides Charas itself.
I was also thinking that a portion of the proceeds from copies of my book sold thru your site go to its maintenance. Only fair.
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Cosmo, one modification in the lang files:
Was
$SUP_1="Support Area";
it becomes
$SUP_1="Support Area, high quality miscellanous resourcing by Charas!";
danilynnarthur: You're great, as usual.
Right now only the donation page is out, with good resources placed there as a demonstration of our passion.
As discussed, everyone can contribute with his work (graphics, music, writings and so on).
I don't know about selling something: that would be great, also because after covering Charas support, eventual extra money received from selling could be divided between Charas and the selled item creator.
But before we have to solve a huge problem: how to send stuffs around the world?
Anyhow, spreading the word on other RM2K sites is surely a fantastic idea! Everyone's invited in telling this wherever he wants, of course!
And about what you said about you book proceeds... don't know what to say.
Well, you know me a bit: i usually don't use many words, if i know my converser doesn't need them, to understand what i truly mean.
So, simply with all of my heart,
thank you
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^ I've been saying that forever.
Charas has members from all over. Shipping would be a huge problem, costs would be thru the roof!
I haven't spoken to my publisher about the outsourcing, would have to tell them....it would only be for a select few copies, not many, it wouldn't even have to be that many....most books online are bought thru Amazon or Barnes and Noble and Booksamillion, sites like that.
Sharu from Taiwan asked me if she could buy it, but I doubt if my publisher would make it available for sale there.....that's why I'm asking....and I'm sure a lot of the other international members would feel the same way.
Sorry to clog this rather serious discussion with book matters, but since it's indirectly related to Charas survival....if a portion of book proceeds goes toward the maintenance of this site....then so be it. ;)
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This is my gift for you.
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Alex, ti converrebbe chiedere a Master di mettere una buona parola e farti hostare da tiscali! ;)
Certo, a volte ha dei banner rompicoglioni ma il servizio mi pare buono. Oppure c'è sempre Aruba.
ŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻ Ż
Alex, you may ask Master (Vgmaker's admin) to get hosted from Tiscali.
Well, sometimes its banners are really noisy but the service looks great. Or you can always use Aruba. <--- Cosmo, maybe it's not perfect but it looks like english.... :rolleyes:
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english please?
anyway here is the dutch translation
and one last thing : Support Area, high quality miscellanous resourcing by Charas!
isn't it miscellaneous?
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Can I have everyone's attention please?
I was planning on doing this on school, but since I can't motivate people to do that, I will ask you guys.
You all know the song "If I Had Words", right? If not, download the MIDI file and search for the lyrics. Then, if you got the money, buy a microphone if you don't have one. We could all sing that song for this site, as a... something for the site.
I will create a metronome for the ones who don't know what the rythm is.
Of course, I will do the first part... which is actually the same as the following parts...
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I'd do it, but my boxes don't have mic acces :s, and I don't know the song either
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I don't know the song and I'm not able to find it as midi file, can you give usa a link for that Gary?
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i've written a few songs already, but i have exactly no idea how to record them properly... by mic? u can't hear the guitar... lol... i'll look for a way... i'll let you guys know when i've started recording it...
X-F3R
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Originally posted by Sharu
This is my gift for you.
Added.
Thank you very much, it's simple and very pretty!
Originally posted by KyEy
Alex, ti converrebbe chiedere a Master di mettere una buona parola e farti hostare da tiscali! ;)
Certo, a volte ha dei banner rompicoglioni ma il servizio mi pare buono. Oppure c'è sempre Aruba.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Alex, you may ask Master (Vgmaker's admin) to get hosted from Tiscali.
Well, sometimes its banners are really noisy but the service looks great. Or you can always use Aruba.
I've spoken with him, 2 days ago.
Yes, it's a chance. But we all will do this only if this will fail.
Looking around, isn't beautiful to see a community like this trying to save itself? We will try till all possible energies will be available.
It's not only the bandwith: it's also the spirit behind.
Charas is totally selfmade: it's users created this community, not me. And we're growing together, in every sense.
This is why i think we have, at least, to try.
Originally posted by cosmo
anyway here is the dutch translation
and one last thing : Support Area, high quality miscellanous resourcing by Charas!
isn't it miscellaneous?
Ups, yes it is, sorry... ;)
Dutch version uploaded.
Check if it's all ok, you want.
Thank you, Cosmo!
Originally posted by Gary Kertopermono
Can I have everyone's attention please?
I was planning on doing this on school, but since I can't motivate people to do that, I will ask you guys.
You all know the song "If I Had Words", right? If not, download the MIDI file and search for the lyrics. Then, if you got the money, buy a microphone if you don't have one. We could all sing that song for this site, as a... something for the site.
I will create a metronome for the ones who don't know what the rythm is.
Of course, I will do the first part... which is actually the same as the following parts...
No, i don't know it too.
But this sounds as great idea! May you provide links for both midi and lyrics?
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Originally posted by danilynnarthur
^ I've been saying that forever.
Charas has members from all over. Shipping would be a huge problem, costs would be thru the roof!
I haven't spoken to my publisher about the outsourcing, would have to tell them....it would only be for a select few copies, not many, it wouldn't even have to be that many....most books online are bought thru Amazon or Barnes and Noble and Booksamillion, sites like that.
Sharu from Taiwan asked me if she could buy it, but I doubt if my publisher would make it available for sale there.....that's why I'm asking....and I'm sure a lot of the other international members would feel the same way.
Sorry to clog this rather serious discussion with book matters, but since it's indirectly related to Charas survival....if a portion of book proceeds goes toward the maintenance of this site....then so be it. ;)
But, one question: your book will only be available in bookstores or (maybe) also in online stores?
Anyhow, don't worry about talking of your book: we all wish you the best. And not only for what you told about proceeds.
What i'm asking is if your publisher may accept online selling and support the eventual shipment. If so, maybe you can sell the book also here!
I'm sure here exists peoples that would like to buy it.
And this may also be the beginning of the already mentioned "support packs": all proceeds to you, then you can decide if and what to leave here.
Well, sorry for going that far ;)
Let me know your thoughts.
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Maybe, you could... well make games. Not like rm2k, but real games, for a job...
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Gary, may you post midi and lyrics of that song?
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Well, the lyrics are easy. The midi, meh, I'll have to make it myself.
Lyrics:
If I had words to make a day for you
I'd sing a morning golden and new
I would make this day last for all time
Give you a night deep in moonshine
It's easy as fu... pie.
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hmm so your with a hosting partiner that doesn't have a fixed price. Tell ya what, I know a host that has a fixed price and offers everything you could possibly want and is cheap. http://www.beachcomber-creations.com. If you sign up say dark-dragons.net refered ya so I can get a month free :)
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I know we have also other host possibilities, but...
This is similar to a "quest", in some way.
Just autoquoting me:
It's not only the bandwith: it's also the spirit behind.
Charas is totally selfmade: it's users created this community, not me. And we're growing together, in every sense.
This is why i think we have, at least, to try.
And now we began to try.
The support page is online.
Now it's time to wait for other works to put on there and to see if i'll never receive something from that page...
I'll do also a contributions thanx page, if something will arrive.
Sincerely, if this will not work...
Ok, other host.
Ok, banners form that host.
But i think we will have to consider Charas half defeated, for what (IMHO) it could rappresent.
Hope it will never happens.
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Here, I made an animated GIF for the support area. Sorry if it's a bit small, but it would have looked odd if it was bigger.
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Hey, that's cool!
Thank you!
The idea of an anim gif is great!
But... may i ask you some modifications before uploading?
1) May you create it bigger? it would help giving better anim effect and make the text more readable. This way ou can also put a bg image (a standard bg, charas logo or other), why not?
2) Is possible to change the font color (or the bg color)? Red on white unfortunatly is really hard to read...
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Okay, I'll change it. Dunno about the background image though.
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How's this?
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Yeah, thanks!
Uploaded! ;)
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Well, maybe I'll have time to make a Flash promo to put on my site. And maybe post on Newgrounds, but that isn't really allowed, so...
Anyways, when it's done (if I'll start) I'll send it by e-mail.
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I have come up with a way to save a little more bandwidth.
In some other forums that I've been to, when you select your avatar, you can either upload one from your computer or link to it. In Charas, you can only upload an avatar from your computer. I think it would save a little bandwidth if you can link to the avatar you want, also.
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Originally posted by Chaos
Maybe, you could... well make games. Not like rm2k, but real games, for a job...
dudes, i think this is a good idea.. i mean.. charas making a game.. and since we have loads of people, with loads of talent!
Alex: Distributor/ Midi maker
Gary: Game Scripter
SMB: Character design
Sharu: Artwork
Dark Fox: BattleCharset Maker (in case we work with rm2k3)
Danni Jie Jie: Storyline Writer
Adjuma: Scenary Maker
Me: Just an extra :p
there's still loads of people i can mention, i know you have something in you, i just don't know what they are.. and, that's a crew up there if ya ask me. but, due to schooling, this might/should take a while
and there's also a lot of empty spots that could be filled in.. like Battle Animations and all that :D graphic making, i mean.
release a 2 hour demo, see how many people like it, burn the game in a CD and sell them online and if the game becomes a hit, we can like.. make it into a series!
well, that's just what i have in mind right now :D
X
[Spam? Anyone? :D]
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Uh, sorry to say this, but what the hell are you talking about?
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About making a game. More... a COMMERCIAL game!
Well, this should be interesting (as the Charas Movie now in progress), but i don't think we can sell games made with rm2k(2 or 3).
Anyhow, i'm not sure of this, i should look for the licence somewhere.
But this can be a way, that's true!
What i suggest is to wait the work in progress of the Charas Movie: that will be great to understand how well we can really work together in a game project.
Anyone who want to say his opinion is welcome!
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any games we make with rm2k(3) can NOT be sold, and I making a profesional game would take a lot of work and time, but I'd help out where I can, wich is not in so many places I'm afraid, all I can do is art (abstract mostly :s)
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Well, I'm writing a song, so if anyone's willing to help singing along (I'm doing the first verse and the chorus, but the bridge and the second verse must be done by someone else, I'll post the song some day).
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Originally posted by cosmo
any games we make with rm2k(3) can NOT be sold, and making a profesional game would take a lot of work and time
Perfect! ;)
I think we must look in another direction...
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Is my idea about linking to avatars possible?
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Originally posted by SuperRobomanX087
NYAR!!! NYAR!!! NYAR!! NYAR! NYAR!!! NYAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...Did I just say that...?
I just deleted the post.
Anyways, I also need help with the bridge before the ending of the song. The song isn't written for a girl, unlike my previous songs, but this song was written to sing with my bestestest friends, the Charas members.
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Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks
Is my idea about linking to avatars possible?
Yes, to be possible, it is. But not so fast to implement.
Anyhow, avatars are nt a big problem: there is more BW usage lookin 10 page of the facegen than 1 month of forum avatars ;)
So, just to sum up:
What IS NOT a problem are Forum avatars and messages (text is nothing terrible, and the avatars are not so heavy).
The generators (well, it's impossible to reduce them more! but that png are luckily REALLY small) and complete resources are untouchable, or this site will have no reason to exist ;)
On the other side, heavy attachments in the Forum can be reduced. Simply place a link instead of the file, if it will be larger downloaded and particulary heavy
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just curious, has anybody actually donated money to this site online?
Its pretty damn easy. Paypal does NOT require a credit card, you just need to have a bank account. And unless you are under 16 or never worked in your life, you probably have one. And it has instructions on the site, to get your bank account registered. Then you deposit like, 1$, to your bank, then paypal $1 to the site. Very easy. If you can't find a dollar in your couch cushions, I doubt you even have a couch, which means its a real shocker that you are able to have internet.
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my mom would kill me if I used paypal :(
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No, right now nothing was received...
All activities report of Paypal says:
All Activity - Simple View from Aug 23, 2003 to Sep 22, 2003
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Whenever i'll receive something, i'll create a "donations thanx area" on Charas first page for sure.
But something is going in the wrong way... how may i collect more that 100$ per month, this way?
Hope something will happen soon, because the deadline is around December 2003... After that date, Charas HAS to be supported by itself or in some other way... or it will be hard to keep it alive, for me.....
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This is bad situation, I WISH I COULD HELP
NO MONEY TOUGH!!
If there was less bandwith comsumtion...will it help?
I think it would, So I'll help not wasting bandwith.
Im new and I DO NOT WANT THIS SITE CLOSED IS A SHORT TIM I BEEN HERE AND I LIKE THIS PLACE!!!
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I got a question.
Does using features in the forums like [GLOW]glow[/GLOW] and [SHADOW]shadow[/SHADOW] take extra bandwidth?
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Not much, only a few bytes.
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Sawreyh four teh douwbwle pwowstwing, bwuht tis pictsure Ih mayde four Charas.
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Okey, serious. Another one.
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Or, if you find this better, the "Wrath" version.
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The center one is my favourite.
Added to the support page, thanks Gary!!!!
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i don't think we can sell games made with rm2k(2 or 3).
well, howsaout RPG Demon? maybe we could make it in rpgm and use that to guide the re-making of the RPG?
also, i'm could'n give money because i'm eleven, but i'm pretty good with paint(and who knows if i could find a used PSP?). i can make some support stuff and get people to post 'em on their sites. my friend rachel has a website, she might be willing to have a banner. i'm willing to help for any fund-raising stuff. just ask me!
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Whatever you want, Doogstadice!
As i told, one of the reasons i've opened this thread was to present you all something more about the "true life" of webmastering.
This is why i'm asking help to you all: also to see "how would you solve this?".
So, any idea you have, any stuff you think is useful...
Everything is fine! Just post here you ideas for discussing.
And thanks for interesing, obviously! ;)
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Damn....
I'm sorry, there where troubles while i was making the backup...
All the forum is ok, but as you can see from dates this thread was truncated.
It was totally deleted by accident, and here you can see what i had in an oooooold backup. So many posts have been deleted, and unfortunatly they're not recoverable.....
I'm sorry.
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That's really quite a shame. Seeing this makes me sad. My post's gone hm.
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why doesent the generators works i can make a chara but i cant save it. it comes in a file not a picture! help me please :(
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I am going to punch you.
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THANK YOU!
Now people can't accuse me for being an a**hole.
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I am an associate producer for a comedy/experimental films group, and i know what its like to want to put on a good product and "keep the show going" while having no budget.
one of the solutions we found as through the company Cafe Press. They offer merchandise like t-shirts, mugs, buttons, stickers and whatnot. You submit what images you want on the merchandise, and they will produce them for you.
They key is that you can create a shop for free, and you can create one of each available item for free... so you can create a t-shirt, a button, a lunchbox, a mug, a doggie shirt, and a sticker all for free (they charge for each additional item of the same type), and you would not have to pay them anything... they make their money by handling the shipment of your merchandise.... you set the price for you goods so whatever extra you charge in addition to the manufacturing cost, you get to keep.
this has been a good source of income for our shows and venues, and doesnt cost us a thing, so i hope this is something you can use to your advantage!
you can find more details at cafepress.com
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Why are you advertising cafe press? Rather, why are you bumping this topic with an ad for cafepress? And, really, who would buy a shirt with "Charas-Project" on it?
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some random person: i would
everyone: shut up
He was just giving an idea on how to make money, at least he tryed to come up with something
AND you cant topic kick a sticky
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I still think making our own game to sell is a great idea... Certain makers such as Gamemaker allowyou to sell anything you make... BUT how could we possibly compete against real games designers? Not much chance, methinks.
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Can you create a charset of nightmare from soul calibur 2 please ?
thanks
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COMPLETELY the wrong thread, my friend. Haven't you read the rest of this thread? It's about 'charas in trouble'. First read the rules, then introduce yourself in the test and welcome board, THEN go to the request section to post your request.
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Im goin clinicly insane tryin to find a charset and face set for Sora! :para: :guns: INSANITY HEAR ME!!!!!!! so could you pppppppplllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeee-------------------------------eeeeeeeeeeeee----------------------------eeeeeeeeeeee------------------------------------------------------------------------eeeeeeeeese make a sora face set.
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nooob alert!
code red code red!
seriously......die....please.....
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Im goin clinicly insane tryin to find a charset and face set for Sora! INSANITY HEAR ME!!!!!!! so could you pppppppplllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeee-------------------------------eeeeeeeeeeeee----------------------------eeeeeeeeeeee------------------------------------------------------------------------eeeeeeeeese make a sora face set.
Originally posted by Moosetroop11
COMPLETELY the wrong thread, my friend. Haven't you read the rest of this thread? It's about 'charas in trouble'. First read the rules, then introduce yourself in the test and welcome board, THEN go to the request section to post your request.
(Maybe if we quote this again and again, he'd get it)
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LOL GC XD Sorry guys I'll delete the above posts. (someday tomorrow so you guys can now)
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I-I get it. :(
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Hmm... Commericial Charas games?
Premium Members? Like, Donate and you become a Level of
Premium 1-3. Each gets an amount of premium content,
More posting tags, And a star next to their name. Or, Premium
charas generator resources.
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Originally posted by David
Hmm... Commericial Charas games?
Premium Members? Like, Donate and you become a Level of
Premium 1-3. Each gets an amount of premium content,
More posting tags, And a star next to their name. Or, Premium
charas generator resources.
No. Charas has been and will always be free. So no premium content. If we would do that you'll get people like Raffletard to just donate because of the extras.
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OMG my last visit was 6 march 2004 lol o_O; I seriously need to check here more often 0o; but school is eating up my time 0o; evil school :p
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Quite the strange thread to choose, but welcome back.
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YAY!!! I'm not the only Dutchman... person... whatever... on this board anymore!!!
At least from the vets.
But seriously, this topic slowly begins to turn into a dieing grave where n00bs start necrophilia.
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Originally posted by GaryCXJk
YAY!!! I'm not the only Dutchman... person... whatever... on this board anymore!!!
At least from the vets.
But seriously, this topic slowly begins to turn into a dieing grave where n00bs start necrophilia.
LMAO!!!!!
ANyways, welcome back, BabyCatjuh...
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hi all, very new to the page but after reading this thread etc just
thought i'd offer some help.
I'm already loving the site. I legally use RPG Maker XP (yes i splashed out for something very easy to rip)
Anyway basically I'd like to offer help towards your bandwidth problems...
How does 1 gigabyte of storage and 200 gigabytes of bandwidth (per month) sound? for free obviously...
I'd create an ftp account for you so you'd just have to upload them
then link to that... I don't want advertising or anything and I don't mins
my site remaining anonymous so there are no catches.
If you are interested in the offer please email me... eyaka_eak@hotmail.com.
More than happy to help...
Jack Adams (keen RPGer)
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I got a prob. my chars was at ``complete rersourses´´ yesterday. but now they r gone. i cant find them. plz tell me why they r gone!!!!! :yell:
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Because they were all generated, so a mod (I think it was GC) deleted them. The Complete Resources is for custom resources only!
Holy crap, now I now how the mods feel. You have to deal with these people all the time. *Adds all mods to personal respect list*
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Actually, Dragonium, you're wrong, rips and edits are allowed also. And Yes, I deleted them. If you had read the rules, Zonic, you wouldn't have a problem about this.
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They were generated?
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Than why u deleted them. people seem to like em. :(
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do u mean so i havta edit them a little by costom first? i mean there where there for a while. but now there gone :(
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Zonic...
Did you notice what this thread is about?
====> Charas possible troubles <====
there is whole board to discuss about resources, without going OT in a thread like this.
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sorry. i relly like ur site just so u know (exept my char disapeard) ive been lookin for a site like this for ages.
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yo yo yo does anybody have a fire emblem battle charset???
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Wrogn thread. Go ask in the Request forum.
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I was thinking this was going to happen LONG ago, i'm have a forum setup for this occasion. My forum is for RPG Maker and my other thing. Anyway, members can come here if anything drastic happens. Do not flame me, I am just helping out.
[EDIT]REALLY SORRY JUST NOTICED I WAS GRAVE-DIGGING
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lol theres a 100 other places where i am member that I can go to if something happens :P i am pretty sure so do most of the members . Nice try though