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Title: New Forum Logo
Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:21:35 AM
I'm just giving an example of it could be, you may like it, you may not, I didn't work TOO hard on it, I'll say it again, I'm only giving an example.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 03:23:58 AM
hm... I like it, but I like the logo we have too. But the one we have right now is a little outdated. I think
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Post by: WarxePB on February 25, 2005, 03:25:09 AM
Actually, it's not too bad.

But you might want to update the characters. For example, you missed me - AGAIN. Adding Moose and Razor might also be ideas. And I don't know who the blue-haired guy on the left, the blue dragon and the silver-haired elf are, which probably means that they're some obscure person who left a long time ago.

*goes to make said modifications*
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:27:30 AM
I'll say it again, I couldn't find everybody charset, so this is just an example, I just got ace's, if I had everybody's, I could get everybody up there.

I don't know who they are either, I just put them up there to take up space.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 03:30:12 AM
Didn't Sai start that thread where everyone was SUPPOSE to post the charsets of themselves?
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:31:48 AM
I dunno, did he? If he did, I don't think I was around.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 03:32:21 AM
Yeah, but some people (me) don't want others to use theres until they get a demo out. Then, people are free to use them, as long as credit is given. I mean, I know it's just a generated char, but still, all of those poses are custom by Tomi, xJericho, and even me, so I don't want to give them out yet. :p
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 03:33:32 AM
hm... I see
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:36:16 AM
I thought that blue haired guy at the far left was you dren, lol, I guess I was wrong.

I do see what you mean, Ace, just let us know when your ready. ;)
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 03:38:58 AM
me?! AHahaha! Good guess tho, my chara is the main character to my game. You can find it in the thread Sai posted bout the charas members charasets thingy...(mouthful!)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 03:41:15 AM
Don't worry, you'll know when I'm ready. You can go ahead and use mine in this (obviously, I asked you to, lol) but they'll be free to be used when my demo comes out, as I said before. :)

...as long as credit is given to me, Tomi, and xJericho. If not, I'll sue you. XD...I'm not kidding...
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:41:16 AM
I was having my doubts when I noticed that charset had rosy cheeks.
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Post by: WarxePB on February 25, 2005, 03:43:01 AM
Quick! I need a list of the most active people who have joined in the last half-year!

Yes, I was serious about doing the logo my way.
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:44:23 AM
Umm....are you asking me for them???
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Post by: WarxePB on February 25, 2005, 03:45:24 AM
You and whoever else views this thread.
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:49:55 AM
Well, my charset is at the end of the right side, the one with the brown hair.


800 POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!! SENIOR MEMBER, BABY!!!!!!!!!

Woah woah woah woah woah woah.....are you trying to overtake me?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 03:55:39 AM
Enjoy being a senior while you can, wildguy. For the old post deleters seem to be more active lately. XD Also, here's some members that have been active.

LIST OF MOST ACTIVE MEMBERS

Ace of Spades
wildguy3922
Saikar (kinda)
Darkfox
Kijuki_Magazaki
VulcanRaven336
Osmose
Arcanagirl
WarxePhoenixBlade
MrMister
Bart_Fatima
Snake Eater
Rywho
carmen
DragonBlaze
AsakuraHao2004
Alex
SMB
Robotam
MSlash67
GhostClown212
Red Giant
GaryCXJK
FFL2and3rocks
MooseTroop11
InsaneJP
Tomi
xJericho
gamerman4
SleepAid/shinowhatever :p
Razor
drenrin2120
Drace
Ruler of the Dark
Snakeizegambit
charaman
Grandy
White Dwarf
Weregnome
Ok, this is probably enough.
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:56:56 AM
You forgot Alex, Ace.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 03:58:35 AM
Well, he's obvious. But there, happy now. :p
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 03:59:21 AM
YES!!!! You've brightened my night!!  :bend:
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Post by: MSlash67 on February 25, 2005, 03:59:49 AM
I'm an active member, what about me?
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 04:01:56 AM
Yes, of course, we would've never forgotten about you, MSlash.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 04:08:11 AM
Ok MSlash, you've been added.
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Post by: VulcanRaven336 on February 25, 2005, 04:16:20 AM
Dude, I am so happy! Do you guys need like a charaset or something  cuz I have one.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 04:16:22 AM
hey! yuo forgot the guy with the rosey cheeks! (Or what you thought i had rosy cheeks!)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 04:20:15 AM
There, you're added. Too many names to remember that I forgot one that was on the previous page. XD And Vulcan, I'm not sure, cuz wildguy went to sleep. I'm just makin the list. :p
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Post by: tyia on February 25, 2005, 04:20:51 AM
Can I be on the logo too? :jumpin:
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 25, 2005, 04:22:10 AM
just be glad i reminded you...
*fire burns from dren's eyes*
Or else!
*the fire becomes so intense, dren closed his eyes and fell asleep*

Wow... I'm so hyper!~~~~spaz! weee!

...ahem...forgive me
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 04:24:53 AM
Drenrin: lol
tyia: I don't know, it's up to wildguy. I'm not sure you've been active enough or not. I'm adding the ones who I've seen for quite a while now. It's not up to me though, I aint makin it.
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 25, 2005, 04:26:54 AM
I see that im on your hit list ;)  do you guys need my charaset?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 04:29:37 AM
 
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I'm not sure, cuz wildguy went to sleep. I'm just makin the list.


Also, you barely made it, cuz you're still kinda new. However, since you were a good contributor with your battle char making, I figured you deserve to be up. :)
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 25, 2005, 04:31:48 AM
Thanks cuz i wasnt expecting it at all...i feel very exuberant! (probably rong spelling and word) lol and yea i am still kind of new
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 04:33:21 AM
No problem. But remember, it's not up to me. Hopefully you'll make it up though.
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 25, 2005, 04:38:57 AM
well if i do make it itll be great :D
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Post by: Majin Sam on February 25, 2005, 08:45:10 AM
I think the guys on the end, having been enlarged, have far too pixelated faces.  Pkus, it looks empty compared to the current one.
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Post by: Grandy on February 25, 2005, 09:54:06 AM
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Didn't Sai start that thread where everyone was SUPPOSE to post the charsets of themselves?


 Yes, here:

 http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6839&forumid=15&catid=4

 Post your resourses there.
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Post by: White Dwarf on February 25, 2005, 09:57:45 AM
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Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Enjoy being a senior while you can, wildguy. For the old post deleters seem to be more active lately. XD Also, here's some members that have been active.

LIST OF MOST ACTIVE MEMBERS

Ace of Spades
wildguy3922
Saikar (kinda)
Darkfox
Kijuki_Magazaki
VulcanRaven336
Osmose
Arcanagirl
WarxePhoenixBlade
MrMister
Bart_Fatima
Snake Eater
Rywho
carmen
DragonBlaze
AsakuraHao2004
Alex
SMB
Robotam
MSlash67
GhostClown212
Red Giant
GaryCXJK
FFL2and3rocks
MooseTroop11
InsaneJP
Tomi
xJericho
gamerman4
SleepAid/shinowhatever :p
Razor
drenrin2120
Drace
Ruler of the Dark
Snakeizegambit
charaman
Grandy
...gotta think of more. (I'll be editing this frequently as more names
pop up in my head. XD)


once again everyone put Red Giant but not me...*sigh*
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 11:53:23 AM
White Dwarf - No, you can't be on this logo!!!  :p j/k, lol, of course, we'll put you up there as soon as Ace of Spades gets back from school.

Tyia - I don' think you've been active enough to be in the logo.

Grandy - I dunno, but we gotta submit our resources somewhere, I would suggest here, but if you already have your resourse submitted, I'll look it up on the old one, and if you haven't, submit it here.
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Post by: Weregnome on February 25, 2005, 12:26:04 PM
forget someone? I mean, I have been round for a while. I may not be as active as I previously was but I am still active.
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Post by: Red Giant on February 25, 2005, 04:24:12 PM
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For example, you missed me - AGAIN


Actually, there was a thread for the original banner in which you were meant to post your charasets. So in a sense, YOU missed US. For shame.
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Post by: WarxePB on February 25, 2005, 04:26:38 PM
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Red
Actually, there was a thread for the original banner in which you were meant to post your charasets. So in a sense, YOU missed US. For shame.


But I was without computer access when that thread was posted. So, actually, you NEGLECTED me.

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WG
forget someone? I mean, I have been round for a while. I may not be as active as I previously was but I am still active.


We're going by activity.
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Post by: White Dwarf on February 25, 2005, 04:34:23 PM
but that was when i went to the libary, now i have the internet at home, and am more active, and if it a re-make you should have another thread, as people might be more/less active
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on February 25, 2005, 04:46:58 PM
Yay! I'm on the list! (My charset's in that thread too)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 08:08:22 PM
Alright, White Dwarf and Weregnome have been added. Ok, I think that's enough people. So we could either make a new thread for posting a one frame pic of your character, or we can just have the resources posted in Sai's thread. It's up to you wildguy, but I don't think they should be posted here. In fact, I think that making a seperate thread would be better. I could make it and have the list of people who should post their char. Because if we just do it in Sai's thread, then everybody might post. So what do you think?
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Post by: Osmose on February 25, 2005, 09:44:54 PM
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For example, you missed me - AGAIN


Actually, there was a thread for the original banner in which you were meant to post your charasets. So in a sense, YOU missed US. For shame.


Yeah, a few months BEFORE I joined. :P
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 25, 2005, 10:49:30 PM
I say we make a new thread in the Resources Topic.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 25, 2005, 11:46:10 PM
Ok then. The thread is in the Resources Forum. ;)
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Post by: blaman on February 26, 2005, 11:16:26 PM
I may not be so active anymore, but as soon as I can come back on I'll be as active as I used to be when I first signed on.
Could I be in the logo? My charset is the dude with the blue hair on the left of the new logo that was posted in this thread. On the old logo, I'm right next yo GC on the left. My character may not be used as much as the ProtoMan avatars, but the blue haired dude is still my prime character.
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 27, 2005, 10:05:07 PM
Here it is!

Any comments or concerns, please post, and I will fix it up whatever you see that doesn't suit you.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on February 27, 2005, 10:21:59 PM
NICE! very good!
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Post by: Snake Eater on February 27, 2005, 10:35:03 PM
Looks great but the Alex pic looks a little pixelated
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Post by: FFL2and3rocks on February 27, 2005, 10:43:58 PM
Wow, I love it! :)

My only complaint is that the dude all the way on the right, below Saikar, looks a bit distorted.

 
Heh, I got this ad at the top of the page while viewing this topic!



No thanks!  ;)
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 27, 2005, 10:53:15 PM
 
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My only complaint is that the dude all the way on the right, below Saikar, looks a bit distorted.


LoL, you can blame that on Charaman. XD

I'm sure if someone can make the alex face look better, that'll be a good thing.
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Post by: charaman on February 27, 2005, 10:54:59 PM
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My only complaint is that the dude all the way on the right, below Saikar, looks a bit distorted.


LoL, you can blame that on Charaman. XD

I'm sure if someone can make the alex face look better, that'll be a good thing.


GRR I LIKE BEINGG BIGGER!
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Post by: Tomi on February 27, 2005, 11:11:49 PM
Yay! That banner is SWEET!!! :D
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Post by: barnsalot on February 27, 2005, 11:14:54 PM
Yeah, it looks really nice! Hopefully I'll have a high enough post count to participate in the next event like this.
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Post by: Grandy on February 27, 2005, 11:33:16 PM
 Looking GREAT! :D
 Mostly because of the cool green-haired guy below the 'U', at Warxe's left
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 27, 2005, 11:48:44 PM
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, lol.
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Post by: Darkfox on February 27, 2005, 11:51:07 PM
I like the old one better, better detail. Or at least, better profileing.
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Post by: Snake Eater on February 28, 2005, 12:09:05 AM
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I like the old one better, better detail. Or at least, better profileing.

But it's really outdated....
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 12:20:19 AM
Well, I'm in the process right now of making one. I'm adding faces. That's the one thing that this one lacks. I'm about 15 percent done. XD
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Post by: MrMister on February 28, 2005, 12:24:36 AM
Yeah, needs our avatars.
No one is gonna figure that Spike from Cowboy Bebop is supposed to be me.
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Post by: Darkfox on February 28, 2005, 12:26:43 AM
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But it's really outdated....


No offense, but the new one... is bland. And how are we supposed to know who is who?

And most of all, thats my old sprite that ended up too wide. I look fat...
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 12:36:36 AM
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Well, I'm in the process right now of making one. I'm adding faces. That's the one thing that this one lacks. I'm about 15 percent done. XD


:D
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 28, 2005, 12:55:29 AM
 
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I look fat...


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Post by: Darkfox on February 28, 2005, 01:25:17 AM
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XD I meant the sprite looks fat since it's so wide. I'm freaking HUGE XD!
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 04:02:56 AM
Whew! Wow, that took a while to get done. Well, here it is. The new new forum logo with faces. :) I had to shrink everybody's faces a little bit so everything would fit, but the charas are the same size. I couldn't get a face for one person, and that was lonewolf. Your char is still there though lonewolf. Well, that's about it. So, here it is. :D
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Post by: VulcanRaven336 on February 28, 2005, 04:13:47 AM
Great job, I like it alot!
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 28, 2005, 04:15:29 AM
i like it....but it does remind me of the old one
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 04:18:03 AM
VulcanRaven: Thanks! :D
InsaneJP: Thanks also. XD And obviously, it would remind you of the old one. There's faces in it. Which IMO, makes it look better. Don't get me wrong, wildguy's was good. But it just lacked faces, which this one has. :P
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Post by: Arcanagirl on February 28, 2005, 04:22:37 AM
Looks great Ace...good work
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Post by: VulcanRaven336 on February 28, 2005, 04:36:20 AM
In spanish "Charas" Means faces. So it would only make sence if we put the facesets in it too!

(Well, in spanish: Faces is spelled "Caras")
Close enough! +_+
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 28, 2005, 04:53:48 AM
lol ok i get it now! ;)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 04:54:58 AM
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lol ok i get it now! ;)


Eh? Get what?
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Post by: DragonBlaze on February 28, 2005, 04:56:24 AM
Nice, its like the old one, just updated with a bunch of new peeps. Good job on it! :D
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Post by: InsaneJP on February 28, 2005, 05:11:43 AM
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In spanish "Charas" Means faces. So it would only make sence if we put the facesets in it too!

(Well, in spanish: Faces is spelled "Caras")
Close enough! +_+




What he said....lol idkk
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 05:12:55 AM
Ohh ok. XD Also, thanks DragonBlaze. :)
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Post by: Darkfox on February 28, 2005, 05:21:18 AM
LOL, I made Alex look bow-legged. Now he's an Italian cowbow XD
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Post by: Snake Eater on February 28, 2005, 05:32:06 AM
Looks Great! You should change Red Giant's pic though....
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Post by: carmen on February 28, 2005, 05:39:15 AM
lol..not to bother anything, I made a banner like 5 months ago, and alex said whenever he was not busy he'd try it out, but this came up, so I'm posting it ^_^ Note: It was made a while ago.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 05:54:51 AM
That's awesome carmen! But, it doesn't have all of the active members now...and it's missing me. :p Oh yeah, and thanks Snake Eater. Also, yeah, changing Red's probably would be a good idea. I'll do that now...
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 06:21:30 AM
Ok, here's the one with Red Giant's newer avatar. I had to move around a couple things though to get him to fit, though. :p
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Post by: GhostClown on February 28, 2005, 06:34:20 AM
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lol..not to bother anything, I made a banner like 5 months ago, and alex said whenever he was not busy he'd try it out, but this came up, so I'm posting it ^_^ Note: It was made a while ago.


Oh, yeah, I saw that awhile ago, I like it alot, it's great. Ace, it doesn't really matter who's active, it's who ever is a big part of this community.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 06:42:42 AM
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Ace, it doesn't really matter who's active, it's who ever is a big part of this community


I know that. But...we were basing this new logo off active members. Most of the ones on the old logo aren't even on anymore. So, we made a thread with a big list of the active members (which most are a part of the community), and had those members post their chars. So, when we were done with that, wildguy made the logo. But it didn't look as good without the facesets, so I made one with those same people with their chars and faces. I didn't just pick these people randomly. They're people who I've seen on a lot now for a while, and they're part of the community.

BTW: Do you like it though, GC?
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Post by: xJericho on February 28, 2005, 07:32:51 AM
me in the upper right, that's cool *smilez*
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 07:47:35 AM
Yeah. They're not in any particular order. But, I thought it was funny that you and Tomi got placed next to eachother. That wasn't even done purposely. XD The two posers right by eachother. XD
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Post by: Grandy on February 28, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
 That cool green-haired guy is in it too! And now with his ava! Looks even better!
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Post by: White Dwarf on February 28, 2005, 10:04:11 AM
i like it, the first new one made it took me over a min too find me, the second new one took me over a min too find Red, the one carmen did dident have me in it, grrrrr, and the final new one i like, WELL DONE!
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Post by: Osmose on February 28, 2005, 10:26:12 AM
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Ace, it doesn't really matter who's active, it's who ever is a big part of this community


I know that. But...we were basing this new logo off active members. Most of the ones on the old logo aren't even on anymore. So, we made a thread with a big list of the active members (which most are a part of the community), and had those members post their chars. So, when we were done with that, wildguy made the logo. But it didn't look as good without the facesets, so I made one with those same people with their chars and faces. I didn't just pick these people randomly. They're people who I've seen on a lot now for a while, and they're part of the community.

BTW: Do you like it though, GC?


And why again did you feel like summerizing the last couple of pages?

New one is too crowded. I don't like it.
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Post by: White Dwarf on February 28, 2005, 10:45:04 AM
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New one is too crowded. I don't like it.


i was thinking that myself...but i think it's ok...
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 04:59:17 PM
 
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New one is too crowded. I don't like it.

Yeah, that's the only thing I was iffy about with this one too. But hey, I had to fit 35 members into that small box. What do you expect?
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Post by: Xen on February 28, 2005, 05:28:42 PM
The new Charas Logo looks awesome!! I kinda agree with Osmose, about it being a little too crowded. But you did your best on it, so well done!! *claps*
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Post by: Red Giant on February 28, 2005, 05:33:32 PM
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Ace, it doesn't really matter who's active, it's who ever is a big part of this community.

People who are active are the big parts of the community.

The new one looks a li'l too squashed up with the avatars. I actually kind of preffered it with just the charasets.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 05:36:22 PM
Well, seeing as being squashed is one of the major complaints, I could always widen it, and then seperate them more.
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Post by: White Dwarf on February 28, 2005, 05:43:20 PM
well as we have adverts now we could make the banner the same size as the adverts...
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 05:45:35 PM
Yeah, we could, couldn't we. Ok, I'll widen it then and make the avatars with chars more spaced out.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on February 28, 2005, 06:36:09 PM
Ok, here's the "peeps spread out" version.
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Post by: GhostClown on February 28, 2005, 06:39:28 PM
I think it should be somthing tasteful, forget about the members being in it for now. Just think about what the banner is for. It's for the generators and support. Not how many members there are and how many we can fit in the banner. I made this one. Take a good look. (woman picture can be changed.)
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Post by: carmen on February 28, 2005, 09:12:56 PM
Wonderful ^_^! I def like this one. And maybe it's a better Idea to not keep active members on? You knwo cuase then we'd have the same problem. I like GCs.
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Post by: WarxePB on February 28, 2005, 09:20:07 PM
I like GC's banner, but I also like the one with all the members in it. Maybe we could put GC's on the main page instead of the current one, and have the banner with everyone on it in the forums?

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GC
I think it should be somthing tasteful


You have no right to be dissing Ace's banner just because you have one.
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Post by: wildguy3922 on February 28, 2005, 11:52:19 PM
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I like GC's banner, but I also like the one with all the members in it. Maybe we could put GC's on the main page instead of the current one, and have the banner with everyone on it in the forums?

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GC
I think it should be somthing tasteful


You have no right to be dissing Ace's banner just because you have one.


I CONCUR!!!!!!

P.S.
Ace.........we're losing our posts. :)
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 12:11:41 AM
I never 'dissed' it. I just said I think it should be tasteful, I never said mine was, or his wasn't.

EDIT: and thanks for the comments.
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Post by: Fortet on March 01, 2005, 12:38:36 AM
I really perfer GhostClown's. It doesn't indicate anybody in specific. It's really anyone in general. It doesn't make anybody excluded. :)
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 12:46:00 AM
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I really perfer GhostClown's. It doesn't indicate anybody in specific. It's really anyone in general. It doesn't make anybody excluded. :)


Don't say that you don't like it because it indicates people in specific. Be truthful. Say you don't like it because YOU'RE not in it. :p
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 01, 2005, 12:54:28 AM
I like Aces better, and think it would be better for the forum. For 1, all the members (well, most anyway) came together to contribute to it, and would like to look up to it and say "Hey, I helped make that." I have nothing against GCs, its just a simple, single project. At least there's some background and story in Ace's.... so to speak..
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 12:57:58 AM
Thank you Asakura. :D And I totally agree with you. I might've made the actual logo, and put everything together. But those members are who contributed their chars. (not avatars, I had to get those myself. XD) So technically, it was a group project.
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Post by: Fortet on March 01, 2005, 01:02:03 AM
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Don't say that you don't like it because it indicates people in specific. Be truthful. Say you don't like it because YOU'RE not in it. :p[/B]


No. It's just that some people who want to be in it that are not in it. Honestly, I'm not the most active member and I have done nothing to help out here. You have no reason to but me in it. Besides, It's Charas Forum, not '(input everybody's name here) Forum'. lol
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Post by: Darkfox on March 01, 2005, 01:06:16 AM
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not '(input everybody's name here) Forum'.


It was considered, but that idea was trashed a long time ago anyway. XD
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 01:09:49 AM
Well, I respect your honesty. But one thing though. You say it's not (insert everybody's name) forum, but really, what makes a forum a forum. The people, right? Without the people here, there's no communication, which technically means that it's not really a forum. That's why the characters go good in it. It shows some of the people who are here. We didn't choose active members because the lesser active members, or newer members aren't "worthy" of being up there. Heck, if I could put every member up there, I would. But the fact is that I can't do that. So, I settle with the most active, who are usually the most known members. That's the best you can do, I guess.
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Post by: AsakuraHao2004 on March 01, 2005, 01:14:58 AM
Also, the current banner has a bunch of people in it.... is it THEIR forum? I mean, no one that has ever joined has been complaining that there are a bunch of people in the banner. I dont remember a newb saying:

 
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Post by: Fortet on March 01, 2005, 01:42:31 AM
lol funny
Yes, I would have gone with your idea, most active members. Or maybe  just admins.  But that's me. And besides, me, in a banner, that's a joke, right? Seriously, I'm not active lol. What I said earlier was just my opinion. :) Sorry if it got too out of hand. Anyways, this is way off subject. Better stop soon unless I want a ban!   :]]
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 02:30:13 AM
Members come and go everyday. So why put them in the logo? I don't want to remember some strange n00b who posted 50 times in the forum gaming and then left, I know you put the "Active" members in, but whats active to some is different to others... I'm not saying "Use mine, now!" I'm just saying I don't like the idea of putting everyone in it. All of the different persons in the logo make it look pretty bad, it's almost impossible to make it look good with all of those different colors and graphics. Make a new one if you want, but make it simple and make it straight to the point. And no, once again, I'm not dissing anyones stuff, if thats what your thinking. ;)
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 02:48:00 AM
How about we make a poll. Whichever banner gets the post points could be the new banner(if Alex allows it :P ) Also, other people could make a banner too.
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 02:50:20 AM
a drawing of alex.....black and white.....infront of it "Charas Forum" in awesome lettering...i can see it now.
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 02:57:28 AM
Carmen has drawn a picture of Alex before.. :D. And No polls, they don't work, didn't you see what happend with the smiley contest.
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 02:59:21 AM
id offer to make it if u could gimme the pic of alex.
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Post by: MrMister on March 01, 2005, 03:04:53 AM
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Carmen has drawn a picture of Alex before.. :D. And No polls, they don't work, didn't you see what happend with the smiley contest.

aHUM.  Yeah.

In the one now there's people that don't come here anymore, and I'm almost sure half of the people on Ace's banner will leave within half a year, should they really be on there?
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 03:09:09 AM
Fine, no poll. How about the same thing we did with the all of all mod?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:16:31 AM
Why don't we just screw the fuking idea of making banners cuz everyone has a different opinion and someone's gonna be pissed off because they don't like it in the end. Yeah! That's the greatest damn idea yet. Screw the idea and make a banner that just says "Charas Forum" with nobody in it. Nothing. Just a background with that in it. Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 03:18:19 AM
You spent four hourse cutting and pasting peoples icons!? Wow. But, MrMister is correct.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 01, 2005, 03:19:14 AM
I actually like GhostClown's idea. It's true that a forum is more than a bunch of members who post a lot. When i first came here, I didn't know anyone in that banner, and they meant nothnig to me. Half of them still mean nothing today.
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 03:19:57 AM
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Why don't we just screw the fuking idea of making banners cuz everyone has a different opinion and someone's gonna be pissed off because they don't like it in the end. Yeah! That's the greatest damn idea yet. Screw the idea and make a banner that just says "Charas Forum" with nobody in it. Nothing. Just a background with that in it. Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...

Dude, calm down. Your banner was great. I really liked it! :D
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:22:15 AM
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You spent four hourse cutting and pasting peoples icons!? Wow. But, MrMister is correct.


I didn't just cut and paste peoples' icons. I had to get all of their avatars first. Then, I had to get the charas from that other logo. Then, I had to refit them in by individually tracing the chars so that the background in it wouldn't scewer the avatar. I tried to make things look nice, but there seems to be a fuking problem with it no matter what.

Edit: Thank you Snake Eater.
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Post by: Osmose on March 01, 2005, 03:24:29 AM
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Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...


Because you wanted to.

I don't like GC's either - what does a priestess from Ragnarok Online have to do with Charas? And it's too much his style. Everything you make, GC, has that same tiny font and the same types of fades, and it gets really boring seeing that in all of your work.

And by crowded I didn't mean too close together, I meant that everyone and their mother is in the banner. Trim some people.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 01, 2005, 03:25:19 AM
dude, your banner was great! It was really well done. We're just saying maybe we should think a little butm ore bout this.
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 03:26:33 AM
Wheres your banner Osmose? And I said it was a sample picture, I guess you didn't read. I have a valid point, I also stated that it could be changed, I just don't agree with the idea of having memebers in the banner.
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 03:34:06 AM
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And by crowded I didn't mean too close together, I meant that everyone and their mother is in the banner. Trim some people.

Who could Ace get rid of without hurting someone's feelings? And by the way,Ghostclown your banner rocked also.

EDIT: fixed hurting
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:34:40 AM
Here. Now nobody can complain...
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 03:35:47 AM
Now it's too plain
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:37:16 AM
That was the point I was trying to make...
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 03:37:57 AM
Ew, how come people keep using Reain's text.. No offence Reain:
But it sucks. And it's like mine but less.. Good :D
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:41:23 AM
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Ew, how come people keep using Reain's text.. No offence Reain:
But it sucks. And it's like mine but less.. Good :D


You just dissed your own banner...And yes, it does  suck. A banner that just has nothing on it, but Charas Forum, or Charas Forum, Community, Charas.EX. (no offense GC) is bland. It's just too boring. That's why the members are a good touch.

Edit: I thought you were referring to the banner that I just did, not the font. Oh well. I like that font. :p
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 03:41:43 AM
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Ew, how come people keep using Reain's text.. No offence Reain:
But it sucks. And it's like mine but less.. Good :D

Witch one is Reains? The "Charas", right? I kinda like it....
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 03:50:10 AM
NO MEMBERS ON BANNERS. they WILL all eventually leave. anyway.....i made a quick one. open to any and all suggestions
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 03:54:48 AM
I don't like it. It's just not, "Charasy" Seeing the charas and avatars also reminds you (at least me) of rpgmaker, which is what type of forum this is.
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 04:03:00 AM
It's not bland, it's sleek and stylized. And, Reain's text is the "forum" text. And plus, if anyones banner gets put in there it's Carmens because she asked before anyone, and hers rocks. (Yes, even though members are involved).
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 04:04:20 AM
Whatever...
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 04:14:00 AM
yea...im just seein if anyone liked my banner idea... :) ...ya er...i made it blue...slight changes....how would i make it more "charasy"?

hey im open for suggestions

(the font CAN be changed)
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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 01, 2005, 04:15:15 AM
idk how... it is good, but definitely not "charasy".

How about adding somethingto do with rm2k/3 instead of... that guy
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 04:15:53 AM
'That guy' is Alex. :D
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 04:16:33 AM
The only way you can make it charasy is add AT LEAST just charas to it.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 01, 2005, 04:18:03 AM
my god!!!!!! I'm srry!
bad me :badboy: (It must have been the blue! I've only seen his pic once!! lol)
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 04:18:15 AM
maybe the border could be compiled of a buncha charas?
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Post by: Robotam on March 01, 2005, 04:33:37 AM
I say we use Ace's banner, seing how you guys comes in here messing up their nice work... That's not nice.
Couldn't you guys have come with the other banners before they started on this?
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 04:37:44 AM
Thank you Robotam. wildguy started this. Then, me and him teamed up to do this little project. He made the logo, but it needed a little bit of change. I asked him if I could fix it up a bit by adding avatars. He said that was ok, so I did. This was mine and wildguy's project, and now it has become a "let's see who has the best logo" thread. That's why I'm ticked off.
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 04:45:45 AM
Carmen should be ticked off, she made hers along time ago, and even asked Alex, and you guys come here making new ones, I hope your just doing it for fun, because I think it's only right hers is placed there.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 04:53:25 AM
carmen's wasn't a public project. Her's also includes members who aren't even on anymore. It also has the same members included on it more than once. This one wasn't done by one person. It wasn't done by two either. It was more or so done by the community. The ones who are most likely on. I just compiled it together.
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Post by: GhostClown on March 01, 2005, 04:57:31 AM
Hers is an update of Reain's. We're not use trying to her banner right now, just design. We want to use that layout, and how it looks. Not this one made in bitmap, which looks exactly like Reain's just more people, I'm talking about making it better looking with that text. She can always change the members.
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Post by: Robotam on March 01, 2005, 05:01:29 AM
Perhaps GC is right on that point. After all Ace, you and wildguy should have talked to Alex before starting this, or did you?
But what makes me wonder is that you guys waited for them to finish and then you attack them with banners.
You could have just stoped their job to tell them that there is already a new one or something? -_-

Well, fine whatever... I do not wish to start a war in this thread.
I'll shut up for here on.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 05:07:47 AM
 
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Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...

I'll answer my own question. Why did I do this? Because I wanted to make a contribution. I can't make poses for characters, or make sweet title and gameover screens, or make battle chars, or weapon sets, or sprites. I can't do that. I don't have the skills to do it. The only way I can help people out is by making maps (which there are rarely requests, or I can't do it) and finding things on the net for them. That's it. I can't contribute to the forum in any way. So I wanted to make some kind of contribution to the forum, but seeing as I don't have the fuking photoshop skills and someone else does and can make it better, I guess I was wrong in this damn idea too. So there goes my attempt at a contribution, right down the fuking toilet.

 
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Not this one made in bitmap

Well I'm sorry, but that's the only fuking thing I can do. Thanks for the GREAT compliment...
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Post by: MrMister on March 01, 2005, 05:10:44 AM
Rev, what does a horse taking a poop have to do with charas?!
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Rev, what does a horse taking a poop have to do with charas?!

Erm.......What?
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Post by: Osmose on March 01, 2005, 10:16:46 AM
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Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...

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Why the hell did I waste 4 hours on doing this anyway...

Because you wanted to.


Ace, stop whining - you did this of your own free will, not everyone's going to be all happy-gleeful about it. Yours isn't exactly original, and you choose how things were going to be done. If they had bad timing when coming up with a bunch of banners, oh well.

Ghostclown, stop protecting carmen like she's your girlfriend. Her banner was basically the one above with faded avatars. She made it awhile ago, but that doesn't automatically shove it up in ranking.
Yours was just a photoshop enhanced play on the main banner from the main page.

Mrmister, horse poop can have many uses if you use it right.

Rev, I don't think Alex would be happy with you portraying him as a Pac-Man-esqe man who likes the autumn colors on the main banner.

I'm not attempting a banner because all that would acomplish is someone thinking that the reason why I don't like anyone else's so far is because I want my own banner up there. Ace, trim some people from that banner. Then, make another banner from the trimmed people, and a few more who want to be on the banner. Then, we can code a quick PHP script that will load a random banner up top of the page, either one, so no one is a bitch about how they're not on the banner.

Happy, now?
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Post by: xJericho on March 01, 2005, 12:51:38 PM
what started as a good thing, ended up in Banner-Wars
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Post by: Ruler of the Dark on March 01, 2005, 01:27:51 PM
I don't think we should have the everybody's char on the logo. Not even the most active members. Why? Because new people don't know them, so it doesn't mean anything to them. And people who've been here longer already would know the people, so the banner wouldn't tell you anything. I'd much prefer to meet people in a thread then on a banner.

Though this is a Rm2k(3) site, so chars do make it look 'charas'y. So instead of putting people who happened to be considered active at the time, why don't we put the active admins (Alex, Sai'kar, and Kijuki) and maybe some major mods.
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 01, 2005, 02:26:45 PM
agreeable osmose....but could there be some suggestions? besides putting every member in one banner?
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Post by: White Dwarf on March 01, 2005, 04:47:29 PM
look, i dont really mind, but i would suggest if you lot cant decide, just put the admins and some mods on it *coff*notRedGiant*coff* and have that, *sigh* im not going to argue
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 01, 2005, 08:06:11 PM
If there's this much of a fuss about it, then how about we do nothing. I'm sorry I was an *** yesterday, something came up in my "real life" and then this happened to come next. I'm not really all that upset now. After all, this is the Charas World Fan Kingdom Board, so this was just something made to support Charas, I guess? It's no big deal. To those who liked it, thanks. To those who didn't, oh well, everybody has their own opinion about something. Respecting others' opinions is something that I always do, but yesterday I didn't. Sorry for that. But really, is this all necessary? Let's stop the fighting now, so it doesn't get worse. Just keep the banner that's up there now up. I mean, heck, someone's only gonna look at it once and say "Hey that's cool, or "Hey, that's stupid." It's not gonna affect them so much that they'll either cherish it like a god, or hate it like a SOB. So, who cares? I know that my opinion has changed greatly from last night, but I'm better now, and I'm back to normal. So, sorry again, and whatever we do with the logo, whether it be have a vote, keep the same one, whatever. Let's try not to make such a fuss over it again. (And yes, don't worry, I know that it was mostly me who did.)

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Post by: White Dwarf on March 01, 2005, 08:48:09 PM
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If there's this much of a fuss about it, then how about we do nothing. I'm sorry I was an *** yesterday, something came up in my "real life" and then this happened to come next. I'm not really all that upset now. After all, this is the Charas World Fan Kingdom Board, so this was just something made to support Charas, I guess? It's no big deal. To those who liked it, thanks. To those who didn't, oh well, everybody has their own opinion about something. Respecting others' opinions is something that I always do, but yesterday I didn't. Sorry for that. But really, is this all necessary? Let's stop the fighting now, so it doesn't get worse. Just keep the banner that's up there now up. I mean, heck, someone's only gonna look at it once and say "Hey that's cool, or "Hey, that's stupid." It's not gonna affect them so much that they'll either cherish it like a god, or hate it like a SOB. So, who cares? I know that my opinion has changed greatly from last night, but I'm better now, and I'm back to normal. So, sorry again, and whatever we do with the logo, whether it be have a vote, keep the same one, whatever. Let's try not to make such a fuss over it again. (And yes, don't worry, I know that it was mostly me who did.)



well done,

i would like a new one, as when that one was made a bunch of newbs and a few older ppl just got put in it, but i think it should be updated, but i dont want it undated if its going to caus so much fuss, i think we should have the one ace made, as it like the old one, but bigger so it fits with the adverts and that, but i dont really mind,

most forums i go to the banner means everythingg, it definde the forum, bar a few, but charas i think its the MEMBERS that make it soo cool, and its the members that define the forum, so dose this banner really matter? no, BUT i still think we should have one, becuase people can say, im in that, i helped, i put something into charas, and thats a nice thing to do, and those not in it could be in the next one, as this will get boring , and someone will change it again...

*sigh*
im to angry to make cence, so just egnore that....sorry  
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 01, 2005, 09:11:06 PM
I don't see what's wrong with Ace's. It's AWESOME.

Ghostclown, I don't usually fight the admins but you're using the 'respect' you get from everone here to your own ends. Some say that a banner shouldn't just be the current members- but the banner you made was completely made by you! Admin or not, you own this forum as much as anyone else. Having the banner completely yours wouldn't show that. You're trading in the loyal members of the forum for 'style'.

Basically, this forum is about mates helping each other out. Many members (Including me) are overjoyed by the fact that they've made a good impression, and proud that they will be added into the banner. At least allow this one to be put up in the forum pages.

Also, what does Alex think about all this? He's the boss, anyway.

Oh yeah, just to give an idea on what it will look like:
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 01, 2005, 11:44:52 PM
That looks pretty good! But you should get rid of aol  :badboy:
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Ghostclown, I don't usually fight the admins but you're using the 'respect' you get from everone here to your own ends. Some say that a banner shouldn't just be the current members- but the banner you made was completely made by you! Admin or not, you own this forum as much as anyone else. Having the banner completely yours wouldn't show that. You're trading in the loyal members of the forum for 'style'.


... Obviously no one can read I was talking about style. And I'm not like you people, I don't care if it's my creation there or not.

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Ace, stop whining - you did this of your own free will, not everyone's going to be all happy-gleeful about it. Yours isn't exactly original, and you choose how things were going to be done. If they had bad timing when coming up with a bunch of banners, oh well.

Ghostclown, stop protecting carmen like she's your girlfriend. Her banner was basically the one above with faded avatars. She made it awhile ago, but that doesn't automatically shove it up in ranking.
Yours was just a photoshop enhanced play on the main banner from the main page.

Mrmister, horse poop can have many uses if you use it right.

Rev, I don't think Alex would be happy with you portraying him as a Pac-Man-esqe man who likes the autumn colors on the main banner.

I'm not attempting a banner because all that would acomplish is someone thinking that the reason why I don't like anyone else's so far is because I want my own banner up there. Ace, trim some people from that banner. Then, make another banner from the trimmed people, and a few more who want to be on the banner. Then, we can code a quick PHP script that will load a random banner up top of the page, either one, so no one is a bitch about how they're not on the banner.

Happy, now?


Osmose, you always act like a whining newb, so suck it up. And don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong. You assume way to much, and don't think before you write.
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Post by: MrMister on March 02, 2005, 12:17:46 AM
Ace, you're lazy.
Most of those aren't the user's avatars anymore. :badboy:
More wavy finger for you
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Post by: Osmose on March 02, 2005, 01:02:51 AM
Don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong? So I'm not allowed  to post, now? Whatever. Have fun with you and your banner. I'm sure your wonderful style in photoshop will be revered for the majesty that it is.
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Don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong? So I'm not allowed  to post, now? Whatever. Have fun with you and your banner. I'm sure your wonderful style in photoshop will be revered for the majesty that it is.

He means you shouldn't be wanking into matters like GC defending Carmen, so shut your retarded little face.
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Post by: Snake Eater on March 02, 2005, 01:10:57 AM
Jeez...Whats with all the hating?
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Snake Eater, let someone who has something relevant to say post first.
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Don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong? So I'm not allowed  to post, now? Whatever. Have fun with you and your banner. I'm sure your wonderful style in photoshop will be revered for the majesty that it is.

He means you shouldn't be wanking into matters like GC defending Carmen, so shut your retarded little face.


I'm sorry if I'm tired of having to worry about dealing with ghostclown when I have a problem with carmen.

If you have anything to say in response to that, PM me. We're all spamming up the thread.
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Post by: Revolution911 on March 02, 2005, 01:39:07 AM
Your REALLY gonna fight over a stupid banner? ..........WOW....I have seen all I need to see.
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Post by: Kijuki_Magazaki on March 02, 2005, 01:39:36 AM
Um seriously, stop it.
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Post by: Ace of Spades on March 02, 2005, 01:46:13 AM
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Actually, that would make me LESS lazy, cuz it was harder to get them. What I was going for, is 'avatars' matching chars. But meh, guess you don't like that. How bout Alex makes a banner. Then nobody can say anything, cuz it's HIS site. :p Kijuki's right. Please stop the fighting.
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Post by: carmen on March 02, 2005, 06:22:51 AM
you know whats going to be funny? when alex never puts up a new banner. lol And GC was just trying to defend my banner is all. So no more insulting. I agree that the banner should be something charas influenced, but not nessecarily charas members on it..get me? My banner like everyone elses has featured members. I think we should stray from that Idea a bit and play with different Ideas. Think of diff ways the charas members can all decide and create a banner maybe.

And No offense osmose, but you're playing mod abit too much, and kinda creates a power hungry vibe. I'm just letting you know my personal own opinion, not really stating what is.  Do you have a problem with me? if so, you can contact me anytime via MSN messenger
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Post by: Moosetroop11 on March 02, 2005, 02:33:16 PM
Phew... Anger over. Sorry Ghostclown. But did you see the screenshot? Pretty cool, I thought.

 
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What does everyone have against aol?
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Post by: wildguy3922 on March 02, 2005, 11:02:43 PM
Here's my list:

1. I was gone for a few days, and the last time I saw this thread, it was on page 7, now it's on 12, and most of it was spamming.

2. I have tried constantly getting ahold of Alex, I dunno if my messages are not getting ahold of him or he is ignoring me.

3. Ace, I appreciate defending while I was away.

4. I don't think this is the correct thread to hold quarrels with other people, this is my thread.

5. I liked the idea that this would be a group project, and people will get to post their charsets, just like the old banner, except no avatars, in which Ace made that possible and I like his more than mine.

6. What I have against AOL is that it charged me about $0.50 per minute when I used it, and it's incredibly slow. Plus, you can't use Internet Explorer, which is the worst thing about it. And too much advertising. And too many annoying voices.

7. Carmen, that is why I wanted Alex to reply to this thread before more hopes ascended, but there was no reply. Now that hopes are high up, that's the only thing we have left. And no, it's not going to be funny.

8. My interest stays with the banner that Ace made, no one else's.
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Post by: Bart_Fatima on March 02, 2005, 11:18:41 PM
is it possible to have a banner for the forum and a Banner for the site
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Post by: wildguy3922 on March 03, 2005, 02:19:06 AM
That's a possibility, but then again, it is up to Alex because it is his site.
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Post by: drenrin2120 on March 03, 2005, 02:39:58 AM
 
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What does everyone have against aol?


You noticed that too? I noticed everyone has MSN or Yahoo. But I like aol! lol, srry for the pointless post. (But it seems I'm good at that lately! ;) )
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Post by: Osmose on March 03, 2005, 02:41:39 AM
Sorry for the continued spam, but AOL = crappy dial-up internet with horrible features and overall a bad experience - get either MSN or broadband.

And IE sucks too. Firefox > j00
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Post by: wildguy3922 on March 03, 2005, 02:44:27 AM
Okay, that's enough about AOL, go make a new thread about it.