I'm surprised in a good way

[ZeroKirbyX]

Thank you for sparing me kind and gentle sir.

[Grandy]

Originally posted by Archem2


*sends mercs out to retrieve the head of said postman*

 (Just as planned.)
 *smiles devilishly*

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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkT4vAJnJls

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 Not as planned.

[The_Real_Charaman]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis

Originally posted by The_Real_Charaman
" [In Darfur, t]he most recent data analyses suggest that 400,000 people have died as a result of the ongoing genocide, with a total of 3.5 million conflict-affected persons."


Stop whining about 3,000 Americans that died 6 years ago and do something about real issues. Give equal weight to tragedies that happen in non-English speaking countries as you do to relatively small tragedies in English speaking countries.

People get so wrapped up in the past because it feels more immediate to them than the present that happens half a world away. Open your eyes.



As for loose change, it's bullshit. They knew about it, but they didn't directly it.

Who cares if the death tole in that area greatly outnumbers 9/11 casualties? We gave Islamic Radicals freedoms, only to have them use that freedom to murder innocent people. We're in a war with out any solid ground as to the reason behind it. Our PRESIDENT is respected by no one, and we do not have a clear choice to support for the next election. These are real issues!

Why should America give equal weight to something that didn't happen in our country? I feel sad for these people, but come on... We have our own problems.[/B]

**** America and this apathetic ignorant point of view.

[ZeroKirbyX]

**** the other half of America and the self-indulgent "Let's save everyone because it makes me feel better" point of view. Really, if it's such a problem in Darfur then why aren't you bitching about every other ****ing country not involved?

[Roland_Deschain]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
**** the other half of America and the self-indulgent "Let's save everyone because it makes me feel better" point of view. Really, if it's such a problem in Darfur then why aren't you bitching about every other ****ing country not involved?

I agree with ZKX 1000%. Really, I think we should just mind our own business. So there are some screwed up countries out there. Look, I'm not trying to be a jackass here, but honestly, we can't afford to go out of our way to help every friggin country that's got a small problem. If we did, we'd be more vulnerable to attacks against us, due to lack of budgeting.
We don't need to make every nation's problem our own.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Roland_Deschain

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
**** the other half of America and the self-indulgent "Let's save everyone because it makes me feel better" point of view. Really, if it's such a problem in Darfur then why aren't you bitching about every other ****ing country not involved?

I agree with ZKX 1000%. Really, I think we should just mind our own business. So there are some screwed up countries out there. Look, I'm not trying to be a jackass here, but honestly, we can't afford to go out of our way to help every friggin country that's got a small problem. If we did, we'd be more vulnerable to attacks against us, due to lack of budgeting.
We don't need to make every nation's problem our own.[/B]

<_< Thats not what I meant. I still think that as one of the richest countries in the world, we need to try to assist other countries. But I don't think we should spend millions just to spend millions. Basically what I'm saying is this: If the war in Iraq is for oil, I support it more. than I do for terrorism. Yea, read it again. We'll get nowhere if we just spend money to help for the sake of helping, if by trying to make a profit we can help them out, go for it. We could always do the old school kill everyone just for the sake of domination.

[Roland_Deschain]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
<_< Thats not what I meant. I still think that as one of the richest countries in the world, we need to try to assist other countries. But I don't think we should spend millions just to spend millions. Basically what I'm saying is this: If the war in Iraq is for oil, I support it more. than I do for terrorism. Yea, read it again. We'll get nowhere if we just spend money to help for the sake of helping, if by trying to make a profit we can help them out, go for it. We could always do the old school kill everyone just for the sake of domination.[/B]

It's kinda what you meant, only phrased a bit weird. What I was trying to say is: Help when necessary, don't help when not. Example: if a country is threatening to destroy the world, yeah, do something.
If, however, a country is poor by our standards, don't give them millions and send troops down to stop riots or whatever. Just send the money.
I was trying to say that spending money on other countries first is a pretty bad idea, since then we wouldn't be able to help ourselves.
I think.

[The_Real_Charaman]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
**** the other half of America and the self-indulgent "Let's save everyone because it makes me feel better" point of view. Really, if it's such a problem in Darfur then why aren't you bitching about every other ****ing country not involved?

Whats wropng with blaming the country with the most resources?


Roland... more vulnerable to attacks? We only get attacks because we have that ***hole mentlity.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Because that's just as ignorant as the people that rty to act as if it doesn't exist. If everyone is doing nothing, you can't place the blame on one. If America controlled the actions of every foreign country you could, but we don't. So instead of bitching about how we don't do anything, bitch about how nothing is getting done or no one is helping. Don't bitch about how one country isn't helping, it's narrow minded and ****ing ridiculous.

By the way, we get attacks because, as you said, we have the most resources. Take down the large pillar and the smaller ones will fall.

[The_Real_Charaman]

Certain people like to call us the "leaders of the free world," and if that is true, and we don't start it, who will?



I blame every country, but only feel like I am in position to criticize the country of which I am a citizen. It is not my place to presume to tell another citizenry for what they should fight.

[Grandy]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
If America controlled the actions of every foreign country you could, but we don't.

 Pff. ...hmm... huh.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 Nice one. Seriously, though, what's your counter argument?

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by The_Real_Charaman
Certain people like to call us the "leaders of the free world," and if that is true, and we don't start it, who will?



I blame every country, but only feel like I am in position to criticize the country of which I am a citizen. It is not my place to presume to tell another citizenry for what they should fight.

Once again you seem unable to differentiate between America the people, America the country, and America the government. The same applies towards every country. You can't judge the whole of a people by its government. Just because you're patriotic, doesn't mean you support the people or the government. I have pride for the South, but that doesn't mean I don't dislike a good deal of the people and government.

[The_Real_Charaman]

Okay let me clarify myself. I am arguing against the government, not the people. the people have done a great deal monetarily and in relief. When I say **** America, I say **** America as a concept and a government, not as a people. I say **** that ignorant point of view, not the person who holds it.


I see people as people, and countries as governments. Sorry for the unclarity.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Oh, then I have no problem with you. When it comes to something like Darfur, that area has changed hands in terms of groups tons of times. It is politically impossible for an area like that to ever have a permanent stable system or government capable of making it work in any way. It's not like it was a country we went in and fucked up (It was the Dutch anyways. Or someone around there). There has never been stability to it. To funnel millions of dollars into it is essentially wasting money to make people feel good for a moment before realizing "Yay we fed a child! Oh ****, he just got shot."

[Meiscool-2]

**** America?

More like **** gays.