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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Fisherson on July 02, 2008, 01:57:17 AM
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Check out this.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-super-earths.html
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Personally, Iīve never doubted it for a minute.
I canīt wait until we can prove it to the ignoramuses. Yes, not skeptics, ignoramuses.
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Its awesome insn't it?We need to advance our space program,imedietly!
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I personally don't believe in life on other planets, even if that makes me stupid and what-not. My guess is A. this is a 'discovery' that appears out of no where and disappears just as quickly, or B. people take it as true, name it, and then forget it exists.
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Just like that other planet people found just far from Pluto.
Wait, what the hell is Pluto?
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Just like that other planet people found just far from Pluto.
Wait, what the hell is Pluto?
Given, that's a different story. Pluto's in our Solar System ;P
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Anywho, since Pluto was named by a kid, I declare those planets named Moe, Curl, and Larry, and the sun being called "Lolfagmonster"
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That would win so hard
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finding a potential hospitable planet does not mean a potential alien civilization.
Also: These are just shy of 30 times the mass of the earth. Their Year is approx 50 earth days.
I cant help but think this means a hospitible climate without terraforming is impossible. we would not survive long under that kind of pressure.
Not to say I doubt Extra terrestrial life....but i DO doubt it to exist in this case. However, with some genetic manipulation, we can move there when our own planet is destroyed by the reptilians
Edit: Pluto is not in Our solar system anymore. Its not even techinically a planet. It was found to be an asteroid
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*pets Pluto*
Itīs okay Pluto, Iīm not a planet either.
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Just like that other planet people found just far from Pluto.
Wait, what the hell is Pluto?
he is a dog from Disney
http://jimmckee.com/2006/08/pluto-no-longer-planet.html
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Also: These are just shy of 30 times the mass of the earth. Their Year is approx 50 earth days.
I cant help but think this means a hospitible climate without terraforming is impossible. we would not survive long under that kind of pressure.
Truth. Attempting to colonise planet with massive pressure = destined to fail. Any life-forms which may have developed on there would have to be so massively adjusted to the pressure they wouldn't be able to move for all the armour plates and reinforced things. Besides, at 45 light years away, any contact is highly unlikely.
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That is cool.........very cool...........if only we had the Millenium Falcon.........we'd be good to go............
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Not to say I doubt Extra terrestrial life....but i DO doubt it to exist in this case. However, with some genetic manipulation, we can move there when our own planet is destroyed by the reptilians
Who told you of our planz..i mean thatz an itnteresting theory,Gemini
*Makes a note to eliminate Gemini beffore the Mammal VS Reptile war*
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We are not alone in this galaxy
Theres Jesus.
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Edit: Pluto is not in Our solar system anymore. Its not even techinically a planet. It was found to be an asteroid
It's an asteroid? I thought it was a dwarf planet.
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We are not alone in this galaxy
Theres Jesus.
There is no room for that on charas.
It's an asteroid? I thought it was a dwarf planet.
Perhaps you're right...but i was under the assumption that as of recently, it was declassified as a planet. I thought it was considered floating space debris that was mistaken for a planet. Its too small an far away to stay in orbit of the sun.
The mass thing...30 times the mass equals 30 times the gravity.
Im no astrophysicist, but i dont think that the plantets more rapid year (50 days to rotate the sun) will help aleiviate the massive gravity any. And I have heard nothing as to the length of the planets days.
Im not saying colonization is a destined fail. Im sure after some test tube babies were created in simulated enviornments, and put through a few hundred generations of incubated simulations and clonings and genetic splicings, we would have a version of ourselves that would easily adapt. Im sure with proper aparatus and technological research we could even live there ourselves, albeit uncomfortably...
the 45 lightyears thing is a big obstacle though, but with technology and whatnot its not that far off i think.
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I canīt wait until we can prove it to the ignoramuses. Yes, not skeptics, ignoramuses.
You are aware there's a HUGE difference there, right?
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Uh oh, we're getting into scientific stuff *Jumps into hidey hole*
Being 100% honest, I don't care one way or another. I mean, it's 45 light-years (or something) away, something tells me it's not going to effect us.
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Perhaps when we learn how to move 300 times the speed of light, THEN I'll take interest in this.
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Hmm i have an idea on that.
*Grabs bluhman straps him to rocket full of 500 gallons of Nos*
Have a very nice trip,good luck eager young space cadet!
*Lights fuse and runs away*
No but seriosly,it possible to fuel a star ship for a life time with
just a tea spoon of antimater.That's a fact.
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Sure, but that would still take way too long.
And I'm pretty sure stasis is a Sci-Fi only thing for now.
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Well,no,we have a form of stasis.We just don't have good reviving process.
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Considering it is physically impossible for anything with any mass to move the speed of light, moving 300 times the speed of light will also be impossible. According to theoretical physicists, the most likely way we will have of traveling that distance without some kind of stasis method requires our knowledge of warping space-time, contracting the space in front of the ship and expanding space behind the ship. But there again, how likely is that anytime soon?
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Hmm i have an idea on that.
*Grabs bluhman straps him to rocket full of 500 gallons of Nos*
Have a very nice trip,good luck eager young space cadet!
*Lights fuse and runs away*
No but seriosly,it possible to fuel a star ship for a life time with
just a tea spoon of antimater.That's a fact.
You ARE aware that anitimatter is not yet proven to exist, nor do we know the qualities of it, right?
Youre just spouting out science fiction.
Its by NO MEANS a fact.
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Let's see the universe is infinity big meaning theres infinity many stars and planet, meaning theres an inifnity big chance theres life on one of the infinity many planets.
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Let's see the universe is infinity big meaning theres infinity many stars and planet, meaning theres an inifnity big chance theres life on one of the infinity many planets.
I agree with Red Fox 1000%
Supposedly the universe goes on forever, right? Foverever is big. Very big. Now, we know there are other planets. Itīs proven.
Somewhere in that infinite space full of galaxies, suns, and solar systems, there has to be at least one planet that supports life. To believe otherwise would simply be foolish and self-centered.
Oh yeah, and sorry for kicking the thread, (not really, it has only had 4 days of inactivity) but Iīm in a hotel at Carillo Puerto right now, and it doesnīt have internet, so Iīm at a little internet café place. I couldnīt pass up the opportunity to say this. xD
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Tatooine is a planet proven to have life.
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Tatooine is a planet proven to have life.
Didn't it explode?
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No.
That was Alderaan.
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Yeah, learn your planetary history, gosh.
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Let's see the universe is infinity big meaning theres infinity many stars and planet, meaning theres an inifnity big chance theres life on one of the infinity many planets.
Actually, theyre saying that the universe is finite now.
Its expanding at a seemingly infinite rate however.
This does not mean that the **** is infinite though....sorry dude
read up on the whole donut theory, and verious alternatives to string theory as well.
Personally, I dont think aliens have ever or will ever visit. I do however believe in time travel, and research teams from way the eff down the road being easily mistaken for grey/reptilian/aliens.
Im almost positive there is life out there on other planets, but im also almost positive that 99.999 percent of it is not what we would call intellligient.
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Actually, theyre saying that the universe is finite now.
Its expanding at a seemingly infinite rate however.
This does not mean that the **** is infinite though....sorry dude
I was just going to say something like that. Since by the whole big bang theory everything was located in one area before exploding, and everyone knows you can't fit an infinite amount of anything in one space, it doesn't work.
Personally, I dont think aliens have ever or will ever visit. I do however believe in time travel, and research teams from way the eff down the road being easily mistaken for grey/reptilian/aliens.
Which theories do you stand by? The "create a whole new time-line" or the Novikov self-consistency principle or something else? What makes more sense, Back to the Future or the Terminator series?
Im almost positive there is life out there on other planets, but im also almost positive that 99.999 percent of it is not what we would call intellligient.
And this is one of those things I've been saying all along.
There MAY BE life out there, but if there is chances are it's little more than a singlecelled organism. It'd be like algae on a rock or something.
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You know what would be cool? If the Big Bang theory was about the universe just expanding forever.
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Didn't it explode?
I find your lack Star Wars fanaticsism disturbing.
Actually, theyre saying that the universe is finite now.
Its expanding at a seemingly infinite rate however.
This does not mean that the **** is infinite though....sorry dude
I read up on the whole donut theory, and verious alternatives to string theory as well.
I watched a program on string theory,it seemed pretty sound.Whats Dounut theory?
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You ARE aware that anitimatter is not yet proven to exist, nor do we know the qualities of it, right?
Youre just spouting out science fiction.
Its by NO MEANS a fact.
I was under the impression they had found small traces of Anti-Matter? I can't remember where... oh wait, in the center of the galaxy. Hm... but that in itself was just a theory.
I haven't researched much on the universe to be honest, but I watched almost every episode of "The Universe" on the History channel. Granted everything they discussed was either theoretical or some far blown hypothesis that would get good ratings, it was still very interesting and not far from credible if you consider most everything we know about the universe is theoretical.
They had an episode on time travel as well actually and presented some very interesting ideas. But with their theory, time travel would only be possible as far back as when the time machine was created and could result in creating alternative universes or other bad side effects.
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Actually, theyre saying that the universe is finite now.
Its expanding at a seemingly infinite rate however.
This does not mean that the **** is infinite though....sorry dude
My understanding is that the expansion is gradually getting slower, shown by the red shift, which means it must have a finite size, or very close to one. It's going to keep getting bigger, but not go on forever.
Well,no,we have a form of stasis.We just don't have good reviving process.
Cryogenics =/= stasis. Besides, cryogenics requires constant power, and we have no everlasting energy source, or at least nothing that would last for 45 light years of travel.
I was under the impression they had found small traces of Anti-Matter? I can't remember where... oh wait, in the center of the galaxy. Hm... but that in itself was just a theory.
I am intrigued to see how anything can be done with antimatter. We can theorise about it, but we can't exactly waltz up and take a sample to examine, because somehow or another it'll just annihilate itself.
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Im almost positive there is life out there on other planets, but im also almost positive that 99.999 percent of it is not what we would call intellligient.
I donīt get it. I just donīt get it. Why does everyone have to be so damn pesimistic? Do you have any reason to doubt the intelligence of alien lifeforms? Is it just because youīre jealous? Really, I would like to know, what theory do you stand by when you say that all alien life isnīt intellegent?
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I donīt get it. I just donīt get it. Why does everyone have to be so damn pesimistic? Do you have any reason to doubt the intelligence of alien lifeforms? Is it just because youīre jealous? Really, I would like to know, what theory do you stand by when you say that all alien life isnīt intellegent?
Life on this planet has been massively fortunate; Earth has all the resources and conditions that make the development of life easy. There's oxygen, liquid water, stuff to eat, and along with evolution, Earth life hasn't really had a "struggle". This has happened almost entirely by coincidence. Life is at a massive advantage. On other planets, by coincidence, it's very unlikely that the conditions will be so perfect. There'd be some kind of compromise of conditions; good climate, but lack of resources, usable atmosphere but massive pressure. Any life developing there would have to struggle, and so would be at a massive disadvantage. If there was a difficult climate, most lifeforms would struggle to develop beyond one cell, because they wouldn't be able to support themselves. We've only come this far because our planet has been relatively nice to us (We reward it by sucking it dry and then burning it).
There may well be intelligent life somewhere, but it'll be so far away there will never be contact between them and us. They probably have better things to do anyway.
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They probably have better things to do anyway.
Quoted for excellence.
Also, now I see where you are coming from. All I needed to hear was a reason.
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Stu wins, yeah.
Besides, didn't I hear somewhere that before life could develop enough to travel as far as our planet they'd get wiped out by nasty rays from black holes? Or was that another dream?
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The answer to that, is
[Spoiler]42[/spoiler]
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Lol this topic sure is pouplular.Personaly i've thought
about it and maybe it wouldn't be so great to meet a alien
life form,they might be hostile or worse.
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You're probably right, fish. One of the only things more unlikely than our existance is the fact that we've somehow become ingrained with a sense of morality. If they wanted the planet then I guess it's likely that they'd behave more like earth's non-human animals and not really think or care about our happiness.
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thats ture,i hadn't thought of that.This is giving me good ideas for
my stuff,like my book for example.Heres a question if we ever do
make a starship capable of inter galatic travel and we found a
earth-like planet that was beheind us in technology would we
help them or would we counqer them?
I once thought of writing a nove based on this question.
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Life on this planet has been massively fortunate; Earth has all the resources and conditions that make the development of life easy. There's oxygen, liquid water, stuff to eat, and along with evolution, Earth life hasn't really had a "struggle". This has happened almost entirely by coincidence. Life is at a massive advantage. On other planets, by coincidence, it's very unlikely that the conditions will be so perfect. There'd be some kind of compromise of conditions; good climate, but lack of resources, usable atmosphere but massive pressure. Any life developing there would have to struggle, and so would be at a massive disadvantage. If there was a difficult climate, most lifeforms would struggle to develop beyond one cell, because they wouldn't be able to support themselves. We've only come this far because our planet has been relatively nice to us (We reward it by sucking it dry and then burning it).
There may well be intelligent life somewhere, but it'll be so far away there will never be contact between them and us. They probably have better things to do anyway.
All this is true, but what is also true the amount of possibilities out there. There's what? A billion other galaxies out there? With what, a billion (maybe million) or so solar systems in each? And there's anywhere from 1 to (pick a number) planets in each solar system? Even if the chances are one in a million, that's a lot of chances for life even within our own galaxy. I sincerely hope we are not so unlucky that there is not even at least one intelligent life form within our galaxy, even if they happen to be on the exact opposite side.
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Even if the chances are one in a million to the 23rd power
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these topics are full of fail though. People just seem to want to be optimistic. Sci Fi is so much more fun to make sound true then fact. The facts and statistics are not in favour. That does not mean the possibility is non existant, it just means that with all of the stupid amounts of planets out there, and the half handfull of ones we have found that COULD have liquid water and atmosphere, the environmental conditions of the planet wont allow for much more then some flan and an adamantoise.
I dunno, with things like this, I cant help but relate it to my own views on religion.
I have faith in facts, not maybes.
The alien life debate is silly. Of course it exists out there somewhere, but face it, were never gonna find it. And if we do, the chance of it being anything more valuable then a research specimen of single celled magnitude, is convolouted.
The thought that some super alien intelligence visiting us, is like a kid thinking santa is coming, And going searching for it is like hunting for Jew gold...you'll never get your hands on it.
We find these potentially hospitible planets for research. If we find some life, the sciencefags are gonna find cells, and bacteria and plants, and perhaps a space dog at best. They'll cut em open and find a cure for space madness.
*awaits flaming*
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And going searching for it is like hunting for Jew gold...you'll never get your hands on it.
This may well be the best thing that any Charas member has ever said. This thread is full of epic soundbites.
sciencefags
Someone's been to 4chan lately.
All this is true, but what is also true the amount of possibilities out there. There's what? A billion other galaxies out there? With what, a billion (maybe million) or so solar systems in each? And there's anywhere from 1 to (pick a number) planets in each solar system? Even if the chances are one in a million, that's a lot of chances for life even within our own galaxy. I sincerely hope we are not so unlucky that there is not even at least one intelligent life form within our galaxy, even if they happen to be on the exact opposite side.
I'm not saying there isn't intelligent life, but anything with more than a few cells would be so far out and so different to what we know and so far away that we'd never know for sure. It's a nice thought, but it's not going to be a reality any time soon, and certainly not in our lifetime.
To whoever mentioned invasion, if we were invaded by aliens we just keep silent and do all we can to convince them that mice are the dominant species, Hitchhiker's Guide style. Problem solved.
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All we need is a massive flag with a mouse holding it's middle finger up and the words 'your tentacle momma sucked in bed' underneath and the human race is pretty much safe.
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Screw that man, Mice are cute. I say the flag should bear the resembalance of 50cent and Miley Cyrus
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Screw that man, Mice are cute. I say the flag should bear the resembalance of 50cent and Miley Cyrus
If aliens are anything like me, that'd just make me want to destroy things more >.>
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these topics are full of fail though. People just seem to want to be optimistic. Sci Fi is so much more fun to make sound true then fact. The facts and statistics are not in favour. That does not mean the possibility is non existant, it just means that with all of the stupid amounts of planets out there, and the half handfull of ones we have found that COULD have liquid water and atmosphere, the environmental conditions of the planet wont allow for much more then some flan and an adamantoise.
I dunno, with things like this, I cant help but relate it to my own views on religion.
I have faith in facts, not maybes.
The alien life debate is silly. Of course it exists out there somewhere, but face it, were never gonna find it. And if we do, the chance of it being anything more valuable then a research specimen of single celled magnitude, is convolouted.
The thought that some super alien intelligence visiting us, is like a kid thinking santa is coming, And going searching for it is like hunting for Jew gold...you'll never get your hands on it.
We find these potentially hospitible planets for research. If we find some life, the sciencefags are gonna find cells, and bacteria and plants, and perhaps a space dog at best. They'll cut em open and find a cure for space madness.
*awaits flaming*
Well, those figures could very well be correct, but honestly, and I know I'm going out on thin ice here, we haven't seen enough of our galaxy's solar systems to pull statistics out like that. There's so much space debris and numerous objects blocking our view of countless planets. We've only seen a small percentage of our galaxy's planets. I just think it's a little early to say, "Naw, the chances are 1 to 9X10 to the 999999." (<Exaggeration) And I really don't think anyone can put a statistic on how likely life is to occur on a planet. Granted it's not a great percentage, no one can say how low of a percentage it is or might be. For all we know there may be more than just organic ways to form life. (what I mean is like, single cell, Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen life forms) Who knows the countless ways there could possibly be to make life.
now, I'm not flaming you. You got your point of view and it's more than warranted, but I've got my point of view. And that's really all.
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Well, those figures could very well be correct, but honestly, and I know I'm going out on thin ice here, we haven't seen enough of our galaxy's solar systems to pull statistics out like that. There's so much space debris and numerous objects blocking our view of countless planets. We've only seen a small percentage of our galaxy's planets. I just think it's a little early to say, "Naw, the chances are 1 to 9X10 to the 999999." (<Exaggeration) And I really don't think anyone can put a statistic on how likely life is to occur on a planet. Granted it's not a great percentage, no one can say how low of a percentage it is or might be. For all we know there may be more than just organic ways to form life. (what I mean is like, single cell, Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen life forms) Who knows the countless ways there could possibly be to make life.
now, I'm not flaming you. You got your point of view and it's more than warranted, but I've got my point of view. And that's really all.
Yes,your are a inspiration to space explorers evreyewhare!w00t!
Now i don't suppose you have a way off this rock?
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Yes,your are a inspiration to space explorers evreyewhare!w00t!
Now i don't suppose you have a way off this rock?
Whoops, I accidentally deleted that Midi =P
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What the heck? I don't get it.... oh now I sort of do. Geez, who calls a star HD 40307, it sounds like a TV or something. Man, it creeps me out. The universe is a big place after all and who knows whats out there. For all I know, there could be parallel dimensions and marshians and all those weird alien things from Doctor Who. (Thanks to television for making me half believe and be scared of aliens. I owe you one).