Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: Prpl_Mage on November 27, 2008, 10:58:19 PM
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Now, I don't know if I'll get bashed and burned for this - BUT! It's totally worth it anyway.
The failed logic in the games of Pokemon
I'll just write something whenever I feel like it. I bet some of you have felt the same things sometimes but this is for those who needs enlightenment.
Part 1.
Team (Rock-it) Rocket
[spoiler]I bet most of you have played a pokemon game.
Remember the first real dungeon in Pkmn blue and red?
The MT.Moon was filled with Team Rocket members.
But why would they bother if you passed them by?
Now, team rocket is pretty badass. They won't even think twice about attacking a little kid inside a dark cave.
I know one thing though; I'd run if some odd cultist-ish member spotted me and made his way towards me. But alas, your brave hero fights.
But after getting his butt whooped, the team rocket member do one of two things: Go ninja style and leave without a trace. OR, stay put to have some chatter with the hero whenever he is approached.
Now, ever noticed how Team rocket more or less only have the following pokemons?
Rattata
Zubat
Ekans
Koffing
Sandshrew
Nidoran
I can remember a Tauros in one part of the game though. But they remain the same.
Would they be kicked out of the team if someone came in with an Oddish or Charmander?
I remember someone saying that Team Rocket wanted strong pokemons and didn't care for love and such. But tell me why they keep using these lame pokemons instead of... hmm. Charizards? Now maybe Giovanni doesn't like to give his henchmen good pokes, maybe he likes to keep them to himself. But at least he should import some more good pokes with all that money he makes from his nice little casino in Saffron.
What does the name "Rocket" have to do with anything about the "team". I can't even see how they are a team though. They all hang out inside a hideout and then sometimes tries to steal something or someone. I've been to that hideout... I couldn't find much to do.
But sure, I'd accept Team Rocket as the name if they had anything to do with either: Rockets, space, missiles, nukes, jetpacks or NASA.
But they don't. They just want to become strong and use pokemons to get that power.
Now for that famous hideout.
Who is so stupid that he revels the entrance to the hideout inside the casino? And why doesn't they have a coded lock into the hideout? having them inside the hideout will prevent intruders yes, but heck. With their clumsiness that they leave Card keys everywhere can only be rewarded with a face palm.
Now, you enter their hideout, you have 6 good pokemons and a Charizard if you're good. They see you and say some dumwitted phrase like "Hey kid! This is Team Rocket's hideout!". And the battle starts.
JUST WAIT A MINUTE!
Ok, you have a secret hideout and a kid enters it... Do you challenge him to a pokemon battle or do you grab his ear and drag him outside and close the entrance correctly?
If I had that desire for power... I'd give the kid a nice kick in the chest or something. I'd certainly wouldn't send out my Rattata and two Zubats only to see them get their butts owned.
But they do.... Over and over.
Now, there are some certain people in this place with the same intelligence as the two guards of FF1 Corneria.
They are standing right where you beat them and say something like "Ouch your a tough kid" or "You need a card key to open the door" or "I get dizzy from these platforms".
Yeah sure; I failed to beat the kid in combat... But should I just stand around doing nothing about it as the kid is running around in the locker room looking for that card key some idiot dropped? They do.
Now, I'd take the card key myself and hide it or refuse to give him it.
Or I'd assault him as soon as he turned his back on me to pick it up.
Or I'd take it from him as he is about to leave the room.
Or I'd just go ahead and tell all my other team members about this intruder.
Now, Team Rocket truly fails. But what can you do about that eh? They try to take over the world. With pokemons.
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Part 2.
Food? Oh, you meant pokeburgers?
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Now, I can understand that Nintendo left the specifics out... But this is quite grotesque.
Ever fed your pokemons with Miltank milk?
Ever seen a Team Rocket sell Slowpoke tails?
Ever thought about how there are no animals. Only pokemons?
In Pokemon diamond and pearl there is this stone telling you a story about a boy leaving town to hunt. It doesn't say what but I think it's pretty obvious.
Anyway, one of them new Mew-copies made him stop and pokemon learned to keep hidden in tall grass from that point on to avoid getting extinct.
Now, I bet everyone remember the famous quote from Zelda "It's dangerous to go outside!"? Well pokemon had one of their own, "It's dangerous to walk in tall grass!".
Now, ever thought about that quote? I did. It's more or less like telling your kid "Don't jump into that cage with bears... They might get angry and attack."
And that proves point 1. Pokemons are animals, as in;they can behave aggressive against people treading their territory.
2. They can attack humans, or it wouldn't be dangerous at all.
Now, ever got your *** kicked by a wild pokemon? The trainer gets "Blacked out". Does that mean that the pokemon knocked the trainer? And why didn't it eat him? Why does they attack the trainer in the first place if it doesn't feed on any of the following:
Pokemon
Trainer
Food/potions/berries in the backpack.
In any case someone takes you back to a pokemon centre thankfully.
Now, seeing as pokemons are the only living creatures: They must also be the food the people eat.
I mean, try to pick some vegetables without getting an Oddish or two in your basket.
I suppose most calf meat is in fact Tauros and Miltanks.
Pork should be Spoinks and Swinubs.
Chicken.... Well use your imagination. Torchic possibly.
Duck and bird is kinda obvious though.
So goes for fish.
So pokemon eat each other, and humans eat pokemons - Awesome.
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Part 3.
Are humans better than Gods?
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I think this is the part where things get a bit too much.
Several legendary pokemon can do grand things:
Atricuno, Moltres and Zapdos came with the seasons. The pokedex states that Articuno creates snow for example.
Mew is said to be the ancestor of all pokemons because it have the DNA that every other pokemon have. Also the reason why it can learn any move in the game.
Mewtwo is a clone of Mew but turned out with strong psychic powers instead of the "all moves". In the animee it more or less owns the **** out of everything.
Entie is said to cause volcanic eruptions.
Raikou is said to cause thunderstorms.
Suicune is said to be able to cure lakes and seas from contamination just by touching them.
Lugia cause hurricanes just by flapping its wings, therefore it sealed itself off.
Ho-oh have the power to resurrect anyone.
Celibi can travel in time, heal any type of plants and even help shadow pokemon open up their heart(Pkmn Colosseum).
Regirock is said to be build entirely out of rocks without a brain or organs... And yet it lives. It can also replace it's body with new stones at will.
Regice is made out of ice from the north pole and can freeze magma around it.
Registeel is said to have been pushed so hard that it's body can't be hurt.
Latias can turn invincible.
Latios can mess with his foes brain making them imagine things.
Groudon is said to have created the land.
Kyogre is said to have created the sea.
Rayquaza is said to have created the sky.
Dioxys is some otherworldly DNA that got stuck in a meteor and became a pokemon as it entered the atmosphere. Have the power to split up and change forms at will.
Jirachi can fulfil any wish.
Regigigas can move continents with it's strength and was sealed away to protect people.
Uxie can wipe your memory on eye contact and is said to have created what became people's knowledge.
Mespit's soul can leave and enter the body at will and it can make people loose all emotions if you touch them.
Azelf can control pokemon and people's will and also take over them like mind control.
Cresselia can only interact with sleeping people and giving them pleasant dreams and "heal mental scars".
Darkrai can give people horrible nightmares and feed of them as well.
Manaphy can control water around it and make people and pokemon alike to change bodies.
Shaymin can pure any kinds of polluted air or poison in the air and heal forests and fields back into what they used to be before.
Dialga can warp and change time as it please and lives in another dimension.
Palkia can create and change dimensions(space) as it pleases and lives in one of those dimensions.
Giratina lives and controls a so called "reversed world" and is said to have powers equal to Palkia and Dialga combined.
Arceus created the universe as well as Palkia and Dialga and is said to be able to erase the universe as well.
Now... Read that list and tell me... Is it even reasonable that a 13 year old kid are able to catch these great god-like creatures?
I mean, just think about being able to summon and control a pokemon that once created time itself.
And now if you captured someone like Uxie and showed it to your rival *BAM* no emotions.
How come that one single technology called pokeballs can so easily seal one of these and force them to obey you? How come that they can't break free. And how can life continue(just some of them) when you have them caught in a ball?
I know I wouldn't be able to take responsibility for such great powers at least. I send my Regigas into battle and it accidentally hits the ground so the entire continent have earthquakes for example. But that's the next part.
I can understand the ability to capture some of them, Mewtwo for example is just incredibly powerful and Mew as well. Latias and Latios as well as Deoxys woudl be pretty cool as well. But catching the very creator of universe`? Or a pokemon that can travel in time. One that could give nightmares or pleasant dreams to the people around you.
That's just far too powerful for one person to handle.
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Part 4.
Awesome powers, but the law of RPG stays put
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I can remember like 1 or 2 games where the attacks used in battle actually did some effect on the outside world...
FF4 where a certain Titan makes the mountain crash because of his earthquake.
FF9 Where some bosses decides to wipe the party with a really strong spell.
Now, I really don't expect this from pokemon either. But it's one of those things that really makes no sense.
Pokemons have great powers a small head with two arms called Geodude can create magnitudes with his bare arms.
A living magnet can blast waves of electricity and create shock waves.
It states that the flaps of Lugia's wings would cause hurricanes that easily could blow off the roofs of nearby buildings.
Now, the law of rpg is simply that no matter what spell you use; the environment won't be affected. At all.
And that's the thing with pokemon. I can be in a gym fighting a trainer and create an earthquake. The building isn't damaged and the people in town don't even mention those sudden earthquakes they had just some minutes ago.
Now, I don't expect that kind of coding anyway.
But the thing that bugs me is the fact that all of the pokemons' attacks only cause any kind of effect on other pokemon.
I mean, my Aggron uses earthquake in a double battle. Both my enemy's pokemons are hurt but also my other pokemon.
But not the trainer? And not me? It states that earthquakes creates an earthquake that damages all except the user.
And yet, me: the trainer simply stands there and tell him to do it.
Either the attacks have no effect on humans or my Aggron got a really good accuracy to hit the enemy pokemons and his buddy but not me or the enemy trainer... With an earthquake.
This applies to moves such as "Surf" or "Eruption" as well.
But that's not what I wanted to talk about.
I want to talk a little about Diglett. Everyone knows the guy right? Half of his body is stuck in the ground and only the head is visible.
Can someone please tell me how the hell I am able to use him within a building without it having an effect like that house in Ceriulian city where a Rocket used a Dugtrio to dig through.
I mean, his body is inside the ground or floor. All the time, and in order to engage in close combat - he have to dig his way to the enemy.
Now, he also have the move dig where he burrows into the ground to avoid damage. But how can anyone use Dig inside a 5 floored building without having to take the stairs back up?
But this is the part I hate the most:
I decide to go out on the sea. I jump on top of my Lapras and sails of. But alas! A swimmer wants to fight me.
She got her Horsea flapping in the water next to her.
But I on the other hand sends out my Diglett... Now, half of Diglett's body is inside the "ground", in this case; My Lapras' back.
I don't know but staying floating like that and having a Diglett inside your back can't be one of your most wonderful moments.
Now, sure I can accept that they created Diglett like that and it's kinda late to change it now... But any pokemon can use Dig, while you are surfing one of your pokes.
The pokemon "Burrows into the ground", that is, right through the poke you are surfing on and into the sea below. Then it "Comes out and attack" meaning that it dug its' way through the water and emerged next to the Horse and attacked.
Now, this must be very painful for my Lapras I bet.
I mean. Sure. Maybe the trainer's poke doesn't fight on top of the pokemon he's surfing on... But you can't possibly expect Fire, Ground, Rock, steel or electric pokemons to be able to fight in the sea. One of three points would happen.
1. They'd drown
2. They'd hurt themself
3. They would be too busy staying floating to actually fight.
And even if they did fight on top of my surfing pokemon... How can a Pokemon like Goldeen or Sea king lift the weight of a trainer and my Charizard?
And how the hell can I use earthquake, Sand tomb, magnitude, fissure, mud slap and such while I'm out in the great blue sea?
Now this would ruin the game if fire and grond/rock/steel pokes couldn't fight at water... But maybe they could've added raft or something? Fighting in the sea isn't such a good idea after all.
So yeah. "Sea battle had to the improvised... so what?" You might think.
Well, that's not all - same goes the other way around.
Ever fought at a gym and the trainer sends out a Seaking? Or a Magikarp? Maybe Mantine? Or my favourite Wailord.
Now... How can these obvious fishes fight on land? Sure, Wailord is a whale and therefore a mammal(I'll get to that point later as well) but how can it simply float in the air? And how can it use moves like Tackle - On land - without causing earthshaking? It's a freaking whale.
Okay, that wasn't the point I'm trying to make either. Here it comes.
The same way that Diglett can use Dig on the sea. Horse can use Dive on land.
Now, I'm in a desert, I brought my Horsea, I fight a trainer and my Horse is somehow able to "Hide underwater". This is where logic fails again. How can something dive when there is no water nearby?
Most pokemons also have moves that would've worked pretty well in real life as well. Future sight for example could make you win at the lottery a lot. But it won't work.
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Part 5.
Does those three basic laws of robotics count for pokemons as well?
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A question that could've made our hero's life easier.
Our trainer catch pokemons with pokeballs, he can then send them out and they'll obey his orders. They will only refuse orders if they are trades from another trainer and you don't have the badge that proves your skill enough for them to obey you.
I can remember two times where pokemon act against humans. As in attacking humans.
Case 1. Gold/Silver.
Lance and our hero is trying to infiltrate the Team Rocket hideout and Lance wants information from these guys working for the team.
Now, he uses his Dragonite to push the people aside, trap one of them in a corner and then orders it to use Hyper Beam on the guy to get the information.
That's something that I think someone said Team Rocket did. Not Lance the Elite Four Champion.
Case 2. Pokemon Colosseum.
A Shadow Mahukita uses the move "Shadow rush" on a trainer. But it is explained with "The shadow pokemons have their hearts sealed of and therefore might attack trainers and humans."
Oddish can do seed sprout for example that places small flowers on the victim and slowly drains its health.
Now, does this only work on pokemon? There are no stories about people being attacked by pokemons, but perhaps that's why they don't venture into the tall grass.
But I suppose the laws of keeping a pokemon is equal to the rules of keeping a pet. You need to make sure that it isn't dangerous to the society. So the trainers need to tell their pokes not to attack the trainers; just the enemy pokemon.
But if you did. Who would stop you? Really, you have your Charizard in town and robs the store. There isn't a single person who would stand a chance.
But if you were a criminal and someone challenged you to a duel. Would you fight all his pokemons until he admitted himself defeated or would you just terminate the source of your opposition: The trainer.
It's like an RPG, would you keep fighting the minions of a summoner who got enough mana to summon 6 of them and only one can be out each time? Or would you just order your summon to take out the enemy summoner and the battle would be over.
Okay, strayed of topic again.
But if the trainer needs to tell his pokes not to attack the trainers. What prevents the wild pokes from doing it?
Do the random encounters start when a pokemon is attacking the hero and he sends out his charizard as quick as he can to avoid getting wounded? And if I were a Rattata; I'd probably attack the smallest of two enemies and not go for a large dragon that can own my arse with a flame-thrower.
If I were a monster, I'd probably kill the enemy summoner and not repeatedly attack the summoned monster if I knew that the summoner could summon another 5. Because I'd know that I'd lose after the first or second.
And even if a trainer's poke told his pokemon not to hurt the enemy trainer with an earthquake - What prevents the wild pokemon from doing it?
I bet pokemon could exterminate the human race pretty badly if they wanted to. But for some strange reason: They don't.
Many pokedex descriptions tell you about the base heat of the flames on Arcanine or Flareon, that the stench of a Muk would make you puke. That the stomach acids of a Gulpin could break down most matter, how Aron eats bridges out of iron.
There are many things that would be the descriptions of very dangerous creatures. They state that the wings of a Scarmony is so shard that it can cut through bones and that humans used the wings as weapons back in the old days.
I can guess that pokemons more or less ruled the world until someone came up with the idea to break Appricorns and make primitive pokeballs to capture these creatures.
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Part 6.
Poké Sex
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I won't go into details here. Just some things about breeding. After all, you never see it done in-game.
Now, the creepy part about the breeding is the fact that the pokémons won't get together unless you leave them at the day care.
Now, for those of you who gave up after Red&Blue: Sorry, it wasn't introduced until Gold/Silver.
There are three ways to get it done.
1.Place a pokemon of choice at the daycare. Now place a Ditto there to seduce your pokemon. After all, Ditto can transform into anything it want.
2.Place a male pokemon and then a female pokemon of the same specie. There will be beautiful music playing over at the daycare but those old people won't mind.
3. Place a pokemon and then place another pokemon of the opposite sex which is within the same "Egg group" as the first one.
This is where the logic fails.
Egg groups are the following:
Amorphous= grimer, muk, all those things that doesn't really have a solid form.
Bug= caterpie, metapod, beedril, spinarak. Every bug-type really.
Dragon= Charmander, gyarados, Salamence, Arbok. All dragon type and some snakes.
Grass= Bulbasaur, oddish, bayleef, sunflora. All grass types really.
Fairy= Clefairy, Togepi, jigglypuff, Pikachu. Most normal types and some other cute.
Field= Rattata, nidoran. Well every pokemon that you can find in tall grass more or less.
Flying= Pidgeot, Swablu, Zubat. Most flying type birds anyway.
Humanoid= Alakazam, Gardevoir, Hitmonlee. Well all pokes that have human traits.
Mineral= Geodude, Onix, Metagross. Most rock and steel types that can breed.
Monster= Rhyhorn, Nidoran, slowpoke. More or less all those who have somewhat bestial/animal traits.
Water 1= Squirtle, psyduck, delibird. Those who are able to walk on land but have a water type.
Water 2= Magikarp, remoraid, goldeen. The fishes.
Water 3=Krabby, Staryu, Kabuto. All the odd water creatures.
Now, some pokemons are part of two egg groups. Like Psyduck. Psyduck is both Field and Water 1. This means that you could breed a Psyduck with anything from a Dewgong to Ratticate.
The "kid" will appear at the day care in the form of an egg. The day-care lady will just say" One day we found this egg lying in the garden".
The egg will hatch after walking around with it some time and what pokemon you got is revealed.
Now, mating your psyduck with a dewgong will either give you a Psyduck or a Seel when the egg hatches.
The little more complicated part is egg moves.
If you mate the Psyduck with the right pokemon - the hatched psyduck have a chance of starting with a powerful move only known to that other pokemon.
In Psyduck's case: Psybeam, Psychic, Confuse ray, Hypnosis and some more.
So yeah, the game is encouraging you to cross-breed different species to get the desired effect.
Most of these matings are really non-logical. I'll go with the famous HSOWA. It stands for:
Hot Skitty On Wailord Action.
And it basically means thatYou can mate:
Skitty
A small Normal type kitten pokemon,
2' 0" (0.6m)
24.3 lbs. (11kg)
With:
Wailord
Water type Whale pokemon,
47' 7" (14.5m)
877.4 lbs. (398kg)
So yeah, you can make a whale and a cat get together and breed. The result is either a Skitty or a Wailmer.
Some other fun fact is that Wailord can also mate with Diglett, Rattata and Seedot. All three are really small. Even smaller than the kitten.
Diglett(as mentioned earlier) is just half a body and would barely be noticeable next to Wailord.
Rattata is smaller as well.
But none of these can be found in the same game as Wailord.
Seedot on the other hand is a Field and Grass type just like Wailord is Water 1 and Field.
And mating a whale with an acorn is a bit more disturbing though.
And that's one of those non-logical parts of pokemon: Cross breeding. I could name some other examples as well. But there are a lot of messed up combinations.
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Part 7.
The magical wonder:Pokéballs
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This is discussed a bit and one of the this is possibly the thing that eludes me the most.
Pokeballs are able to trap the creatures: pokemon inside the ball.
If the trainer is already carrying 6 pokés then the pokeball with transfer the captured pokémon to your database.
Pokeballs only work on pokemon and will fail if thrown at a person.
Pokeballs might have some kind of environment inside them.
Pokeballs are indeed scary. Do the pokeballs also somehow soothe the mind of the captured pokemon and makes it obey you, or makes it act like it's been your pet for 5 years just like that?
But here's the thing:
The pokeballs somehow convert the biological structure of a pokemon into digital data. Whenever they are used: the data is converted into a biological mass and the pokemon appears.
Is this information cannon? Hell no, this is just the only possible explanation beside magic.
Think about it. You withdraw pokemons from a database. So the pokemon must be stored on a computer. You can ut it on your database and then fly 15 miles, enter a new poke centre and then withdraw it and it'll be the same as you left it.
Porygon, porygon2 and porygon 3 are man-made. People used data to create a pokemon that is able to live in the real world which further proves this possible explanation.
But when catching a pokemon, the data is stored in one of your 6 balls. But if those storage spaces are full: they are sent to the database. And somehow - these pokeballs have a wireless connection to your database.
But if the technology is pretty much : "Store genetic code, rebuild genetic code" then it shouldn't be too hard to hack that genetic code and give my charizard a 999 attack power.
Sure, the world of pokemon is indeed more advanced than ours. They have teleportation pads, databases that can store items and pokemons, pokedexes that can send information between you and the proffesor, other phone like inventions ect.
But the very existance of pokeballs must be man's greatest success.
The mysteries behind pokeballs is a great secret. And how they could store pokemons in those appricons will also remain a mystery.
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Part 8.
Pallet town as requested
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Everyone above 15 years probably played the first old school pokémon. The Red and blue.
But this town reappeared in Gold/Silver as well. But only as an unimportant town and simply a pass-through area.
But do not fear kiddies. It came back - revamped(!) in Fire red and leaf green.
Pallet town, a town with 3 houses.
Pallet town, a town with a laboratory where Prof. Oak works with his 2 aides.
Pallet town, a town where only two families live.
Pallet town, a town where strangely enough there is a guy standing outside the laboratory even though he have no house.
So. Who lives in Pallet town then?
Prof.Oak
Gary Oak
Daisy Oak.
The hero's mom
The hero
Professor Oak's Aides.
The creepy man outside the lab.
Now, it's a rather interesting town. Pallet is also the only way to reach cinnabar island because the route from veridian is blocked. And yet there is no harbour or anything there. Every person who wants to go there actually needs to surf on a pokémon.
There are 8 people who seem to be living there. But there are only two houses and a lab.
The two houses looks identical and the entire upper floor is the bedroom for the hero and Gary.
Daisy Oak is Gary's sister who lives in the house. Gary lives with her but it isn't mentioned wherever or not the professor lives there as well.
The hero and his mom lives in the other house and the father isn't mentioned. Hell, Oak could be the father all I know. Or that creepy guy. Or one of the two Aides.
So yeah... Where do the rest of the people live? Do they go back home later when they've finished for the day?
The beautiful mind of professor Oak.
Oak can't remember the names of you and your rival even though there are only 7 other people in town except Oak himself.
In FR/LG he even needs to ask you if you're a boy or a girl. If you've lived there for 10 years. Shouldn't it be kinda obvious by now?
He needs to ask you what your name is at first. Then he asks you the name of your rival. His very own grandson.
I wouldn't like a grandfather like that.
"Happy birthday .... Umm, what's his name again? Oh- right. Happy birthday Bday boy!"
Maybe he's having trouble remembering the names of the 150 pokés in his land, but hell. I can remember the names of most pokés ever created(not to brag).
He even encourage the hero to leave town and go through the tall grass by giving him a poké.
I mean. "Oh no, it's dangerous to go in tall grass, take this sword with you".
Instead of making the hero return to his mother he gives him something he can use to actually go into the dangerous world.
I can't even remember if the hero's mom ever agreed to Oak's schemes but she doesn't question them, just tells the hero to be safe.
So Oak calls you over to the lab, gives you a low levelled pokémon and asks you to go out and do his dirty work. You need to find and capture every pokemon so he can have his work complete. And he doesn't have any information of his own really. You start with the poké you start with. Nothing else. From square one: Go out and collect information about every pokémon in the world. I'll stay here and call you when you try to use bikes inside of houses.
And Gary is given the very same task. But instead he becomes the pokémon leader. Where did his research go anyway?
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Part 9.
The hidden and technical machines
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Pokémons can learn many moves by training and getting levels just like any rpg character. But Pokémons can also learn skills from skill books called TMs and HMs.
TM stands for Technically machine and is shown as a CD of a colour matching the type of the move on it.
HM stands for Hidden machine and is shown as a labelled disk.
Now, the question have surely bumped into your mind as well. How can you give a pokémon the Compact disk and it suddenly learns how to use flamethrower?
Jut the fact that they are CDs surely strengthen my "Pokémon being transformed from biological matter into digital data" as seen in part 7.
So, making a pokémon learn a new move would be like inserting the expansion disk for World of warcraft. The pokémon is stored as digital data, you insert the disk, the disc and the chosen poké are being synchronized, the file from the TM is being transferred to the pokémon's data and the file on the disk goes missing.
After all, TMs only have a single use.
Hidden machines on the other hand can be used as many times as you want, they are vital for the game and also free.
HMs can't be unlearned either, I suppose this is to prevent some idiot to Surf to an island with only fighting pokes and a gyrados.
After battling another trainer the Gyrados learns hyper beam and you remove surf.
Congratulations, you just made yourself the main character in cast away, now start talking to your pokéballs.
Or Surfing on the sea and then unlearning the HM Surf, that would mean that you'd be unmounted and end up being stuck in the water. After all, the Hero lived in pallet and apparently never learned how to swim.
But I think that you could unlearn the HMs at the move deleter? Just so you could trade some of them.
But what stops hackers from simply hack the pokémon data and insert an identical copy of the code for Flamethrower to all their pokémons?
There are scientists, there are supernerds and pokémanics in the game. But there have yet to be one of them cheating even though they should have enough knowledge for it.
It really shouldn't be hard:
Find the folder where the data for the poké is.
Open up the folder for the poké with flamethrower.
Copy the move flamethrower.
Open up the folder for the desired pokémon.
Paste that flamethrower code into his folder for moves.
It should be done.
There are like 140 different moves you can get from TMs. How come someone haven't spent the time to create a code for each move instead of trying to collect facts on all 151 pokémons *cough*Oak*cough*?
I mean, there are like more than 100 Normal moves in the game, Normal damaging moves. Add another 100-ish for the non-damaging moves and you suddenly realise that trainers are kinda bound to their pokés genetic movesets.
There are so many moves out there but only a small faction is put on CDs and sold to the public. And what stops people from downloading the TMs and HMs from the internet?
But it's the same thing as with the pokémon centres. You can easily learn and manage the pokés while they are inside their balls as digital data.
The same goes for the ones stored on the PC. But that's the next part.
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Quit stealing my awesome pills!
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pokemon is an anime/game. An anime/game does not use a lot logic. Animes/games are all about challenging logic. Like paranoid agent. except if confuses you like hell.
Although in like the first or second episode of the anime, Ash appeared in a regular cow costume. Which begs the question; wtf?
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HIKER PAUL challenges you!
HIKER PAUL sends ONYX!
Go CHARMANDER!
-CHARMANDER fainted...
Go RATTATA!
-RATTATA fainted...
Go BEEDRILL!
-BEEDRILL fainted...
Go PIKACHU!
-PIKACHU fainted...
Go CATERPIE!
-CATERPIE fainted...
Go PIDGEY!
-Foe ONYX fainted...
You defeated HIKER PAUL!
HIKER PAUL: "Zomg u strong!!1!"
That's quite stupid too.
I mean, sure, using 6 Pokémons to defeat only one means you're strong!..
Still a fun game, though.
Another failed logic...
Lv.5 METAPOD appears!
...even though Caterpie evolves into Metapod at level 7.
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Pokemon is set in the real world with real animals, but the continent/s/country or wherever pokemon is set has less animals and more pokemon.
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I think there are actual, non-Pokémon animals. You see a few in the anime. As for Team Rocket, well, they're bumbling idiots. Also, a Pokémon is a dangerous, tamable animal, so of course, if an adult challenges a child without having a stronger Pokémon, he will be beaten. Once his Pokémon have fallen, it is wise to not continue attacking.
The danger involved with Pokémon seems hard to grasp, though. Don't know why you black (or sometimes white) out and appear at a Pokémon Center. I assume it's magic.
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By the way, you really should read Pokemon Special, the red/green/blue/yellow chapters at least.
It is arguably THE BEST thing that ever came from pokemon. You could go as far as saying it is better than the games.
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I say that when your pokés faint you run for your life, to black out in the door of the poké center due to running.
Seems fair.
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This makes me glad I never played Pokemon.
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And I just asked for diamond or pearl for christmas. LOL.
Wow. That's kinda creepy... You know how you and your pokémon never eat? How do they live...?
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Anyone wonder why Ash has been 10 years old since the 90s?
Seriously >_>
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I don't hate it because fangirls like it, I hate it because it sucks. I don't like the concept, and I especially don't like the execution. If I can barely stand to look at a game because everything looks so damn stupid and cartoony they did something VERY wrong.
Besides, isn't Ash like... 12 now? Maybe he ages slow >.>
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Really? I could have sworn he was up to 13 by now...
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Kay, so he ages at about a third the speed of normal people. And grows at about a tenth >_>
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Meh. I honestly thought this would be more flavorful.
The whole "why does a superior species listen to humans" thing on right on the dot, but the rant about team rocket bored me to tears.
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Why are you still even here?
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Because we all love him.
WITH THE POWER OF LOVE, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Like paranoid agent. except if confuses you like hell.
Did you just compare Pokemon with PARANOIA AGENT? What the hell, man? Anyone who says those two use the same amount of odd logic... needs to be slapped.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Did you just compare Pokemon with PARANOIA AGENT? What the hell, man? Anyone who says those two use the same amount of odd logic... needs to be slapped.
i didn't compare it and pokemon.. I compared every anime. An anime doesn't need logic to be awesome, tis all i said. I simply exampled PA for it's unique ability to be whacked but still be awesome.
Also both may and dawn are 10y/o and they both have b-cups. or so i read in extensive read on some forum
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Lucas: Not always. In the game, unless I had one of the badges, many overleveled pokemon wouldnt obey.
HTML: Wasnt May 12 or 13 in the series? I could have sworn she started her little adventure late.
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Part 3 added. I'll just write them when they come into mind.
And I'm sorry to hear that MIC, I'll try to ramble less and analyse more.
I remember that the pokedex stated that Magikarps was easy prey to sea-pokemons and that pidgeys ate bug types or something of the kind.
And I'm pretty sure that many pokedex entries explains how dangerous they actually are and you can only imagine the bloodshed after one of them predators.
As for food, all the pokemons eat in the game is protein and other vitamins. Not really food except for the rare candy. And those pokemons who isn't predators? They eat berries.
All pokemons like berries in the game. So I suppose that's it.
Pokemons eat pokemons(apparently not humans) and berries.
Although I remember some episodes(I won't see the amine episodes as fact though.) where pokes like Aerodactyl tried to eat Ash and his buddies.
As for the ash thing.
Team rocket have been after his pikachu for 10 years now. The VG cats comic pretty much explains it all though.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=260
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I think Pokemon have reached the point where they think "****. If I kill this kid, my soul/body/life is still stuck in that damn ball, I'm screwed. Oh well, I'm better off taking any freedom I can get out of this kid."
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Anyone wonder why Ash has been 10 years old since the 90s?
Seriously >_>
I dun think dey ever claimed he's still the same age, they just don't talk about his birthdays anymore.
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How come all of the nurses, and cops, are related, and look exactly alike? Are they just too lazy to make new characters?
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How come all of the nurses, and cops, are related, and look exactly alike? Are they just too lazy to make new characters?
Probably the same reason why we put identical shopkeepers and NPC's in our own games.
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Added part 4 and 5.
Noticed that I possibly writes a bit too much... I'll try to add some structure to it in the future.
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Lets not forget teh Awesome powers of Rare candy!!!
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Snorlax...
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About the attacking humans thing--
In one of the manga I read when I was little, there was a Haunter thing that ate people's souls, causing them to go into a coma. It was pretty freaky.
Pokemon are scary. o.o
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HSOWA part added.
As for pokedex entries. One of the birds' mention that they eat magikarps.
Magikarps entry always states that it sucks.
Same goes for Feebas.
Arcanine is called legendary in his.
They say that Metagross is smarter than a super computer.
Porygon2 and Porygon3 is man-made and updated versions of the first.
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Ew. An acorn and a whale... o.o
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Any complaints about "why don't pokemon ever eat/go to the toilet/whatever" are dumb automatically, since it can applied to any game ever that lack the mechanics. The REAL answer is "because it wouldn't be fun"
Imagine having to feed your current party every half hour or else they get weak or something. You'd just want to turn that off straight away.
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Well, you have to feed your pets in World of Warcraft occasionally.
And in dark cloud you had to give your party members water unless you wanted to run in slow-motion.
But really, food usually is healing items in RPGs, in pokemon's case; berries are the healing items. And i doubt the predator lives merely on berries.
But I have to agree, seeing the main character take a dump wouldn't be too exciting. But eating should be pretty natural. Now - pokemon isn't the most flexible RPG out there seeing as the story barely affects the gameplay.
But in games like Grandia II had the dinners when you stayed at inns to continue with the story though.
But we know that the hero and pokemons eat just like we all know that Aragon had to take a piss sometime during the events of Lord of the Rings.
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How about we consider that pokemon eat/****/piss when you turn the game off. You know, they like their privacy. Can you blame 'em?
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Or that everything is time elapsed, and for our sake, the necessities of life are ignored? Perhaps those Pokéballs have the amenities that all your Charizards have become so fond of.
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I remember the anime saying that the pokeball has an environment adapted to the Pokemon's needs or something, which may include food and possibly do their buissinness in the Pokeball.
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Pokeball part added. I still haven't figured that one out though.
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Pokemon, a world of logic. Also, I see that Razor is no fan of The Sims, as feeding bores him.
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I'm just saying feeding does not belong in every game ever. Obviously The Sims is a different story, what being a simulation game with simulated people.
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Also, Pokemon magically heal when you go to sleep at your house in R,S, and E.
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Ur mom takes care of them.
But, does she take the balls out of Emerald's bags, or do they sleep there in them balls?
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They also heal at your house in Red, Blue and Yellow. I think she sucks them till they feel relaxed.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that pokemons are healed in a machine at the poké centers.
The woman in the counter takes your balls and put them in that machine.
it blinks and shakes a little and then all the pokés in your balls are restored completely.
And that further proves my digital-storage theory.
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lol u failed to mention Prpl_Mage in ur breeding section that almost ANY pokemon can breed with a Ditto.
Also what about those coincidental moments when one of ash's mates who he left behind. They piss me off.
And has any one noticed his ballas have dropped in diamond and pearl cartoon he sounds like a Git.
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First, I did mention the ditto. But as the pokedex states: It can turn into whatever it wants, a horse, a copy of the pokemon, a baseball bat(very useful), a bottle of ink anything. And that could include a male or female mating organ as well.
Second, I don't watch the cartoon. Never liked it. The game was always more appealing.
Thirdly, Yeah, I guess so. That usually happens when someone goes into puberty.
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What's inside the Pokeball? On the show all you see are a bunch of blinking lights and micromirrors.
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apologies prpl i i didnt see the ditto part, my bad
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The machine that turns pokemon from biological form into digital form I suppose.
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Yep.
I really wanna know what it is like it a pokeball. Is it like a cryogenic thing?
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I have another one:
How can a PokeMon only know 4 "tricks" and once you have more than that, it magically forgets one?
That makes no sense to me
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It's like an animal. Animals have limited learning capacity.
"You can't teach an old dog to sit" For example is a quite good example of it.
Although I believe that some animals have better memories than others. Like dogs vs goldfishes.
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Yes, Pokemon are your best buddies. This is why you trap them in teeny tiny balls, which you strap to your waist or throw in a bag, only to see them while you are cruelly forcing them to kick the crackers out of other children's best buddies.
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You know what I just realized? Pokemon is kinda like Fight Club. And we all know that the first rule of Fight Club is that YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
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I don't know what you're talking about. I talk about Fight Club ALL THE TIME. On the bus, at the polling booths, in the swimming pool.
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You know what I just realized? Pokemon is kinda like Fight Club. And we all know that the first rule of Fight Club is that YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
It is more like cockfighting, if you were to ask me. Basically, it is just hunt animals, fight it with another animal, capture the wounded animal, and have it fight other animals, continuing the bloody cycle. Sounds fun.
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I vaguely remember a snippet from the lore of Pokemon Silver that mentioned that before pokeballs were invented they used to place a "device" inside hollowed out acorns.
Because in poke-land, AN APPARATUS WHICH CAN TURN BIOLOGICAL FORMS INTO WEIGHTLESS ENERGY AND BACK AGAIN WITHOUT ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS predates FARKING PLASTIC.
EDIT: Also; all budding pokemon trainers are such major pussies that the sight of them losing all their pokemon is enough to cause them to BLACK OUT.
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Also; all budding pokemon trainers are such major pussies that the sight of them losing all their pokemon is enough to cause them to BLACK OUT.
That's actually quite true. You see your loving friends fall in battle and then you can't handle it any more.
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Well, then, I guess it's CockFight Club.
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Well, then, I guess it's CockFight Club.
Each person grabs their respective and slap each others with it?
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It is more like cockfighting, if you were to ask me. Basically, it is just hunt animals, fight it with another animal, capture the wounded animal, and have it fight other animals, continuing the bloody cycle. Sounds fun.
I can't believe people didn't figure this out from the first time they played it while attending a cock fight.
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I love my cock eh?
Why do people say Cock instead of Rooster?
Anyway, yeah. In real life pokemon would be a guy with a van filled with animals, they then release their animals into an arena and the guy shouts orders at his animal so he can rip the other one apart.
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Haha. Cock.
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Whoa! What the hell. I wrote weenie. Not weenie.
Edit: The hell? Again?
weenie
weenie
weenie
cockers
Ok, we have a cock filter, that explains it.
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COCK!
Hehe...
Fun filters
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weenie?
EDIT: Hmmmm....
Penis =D, still allowed. ^.^
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So, my thread is now about cocks, weenies and penises... Awesome.
I had another idea, might write it up today. Maybe not.
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So, my thread is now about cocks, weenies and penises... Awesome.
I had another idea, might write it up today. Maybe not.
Well I popped in my copy of Red yesterday and the following came to my mind:
1) Say something about the irresponsible adults who let 10 year old boys go out into the dangerous wild to fight and catch dangerous monsters by themselves.
2) Something about Prof. Oak. I mean, he's a pretty dumb professor if he can't even remember the name of his grandson and...
3) The name of the boy who lives in his town, a town with only three HOUSES. Where do the students live? Why is the world so small? Where are the houses and why do some houses not even have doors?!
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Also, in Ruby/Sapphire, your character starts in a truck (because you just moved in).
Where did the truck come from? Well, I didn't beat the game yet, so I don't know... but how the hell did it manage to get from where it comes from to the town? There's only routes filled with grass, cliffs and such. There's no way a truck can pass.
And in Red/Blue, every time you see Gary, you kick his arse (well, if you're trained enough). Yet, he always beat gym leaders first and if I remember correctly, he is the last boss, the Pokémon master.
Why do some bug catchers catch 6 of the same Pokémon?
Why is Mewtwo number 150, while he's been created from Mew?
If Alakazam loses a spoon, can I give him one of mine?
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Updated with pallet town.
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Why do some bug catchers catch 6 of the same Pokémon?
Why is Mewtwo number 150, while he's been created from Mew?
If Alakazam loses a spoon, can I give him one of mine?
1) Because they're idiots. I mean, jesus. 6 of the same Pokemon never work.
2) Mystery.
3) Give him a fork, then he can stab someone.
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You got my thoughts exactly Prpl. Looking forward to part 9.
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You should've given more emphasys on how a self-proclaimed Pokemon expert doesn't have info in any pokemon other than the one he gives you.
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Well, he doesn't seem to have that either since your pokedex isn't filled with Squirtle, Charmander and Bulbasaurs entries until you catch them(choose them). Not even the facts about the rivals poké is entered - only its' place on the list.
And how can you make a list when you don't know about all pokémons`?
And as Grandy stated, Everyone in Kanto and Jotho says that Prof Oak is the authority on Pokémon but his pokédex only holds 151 pokes even though There another 100-ish just some meters from the elite four.
He should know about them right?
Elm stated that Oak was researching the "Pokémon - human relationship" So in other words, that's where all his rambling about love comes from. He's trying to see which trainer is the best. A trainer who loves and care for his pokés or a trainer who only chose the strong ones.
No one knows, but he was smart enough to create the Pokedex. Just not smart enough to remember the name of the people around him.
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"This is my Grandson, He's your rival. Whats his name again?"
(Enters Name)
LOL. That was kinda lame. I thought the silver and gold's version of the rival was so much more better.
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EDIT:And yet I know more about pokémon than that old man will ever know.
Same here, unfortunately
Poor guy, he must have Alzheimer's, seeing as how you have to invent a name for his grandson
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What's weird, in G/S/C you tell police his name, and he never actually corrects you through the game.
And, you can walk in someone's house and they act nicely and say "I love the ocean" instead of "Why the hell are you here? This is my house! I'll call the cops! Magikarp, use HYPER BEAM!"
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That's an RPG rule
14. Garrett's Principle
Let's not mince words: you're a thief. You can walk into just about anybody's house like the door wasn't even locked. You just barge right in and start looking for stuff. Anything you can find that's not nailed down is yours to keep. You will often walk into perfect strangers' houses, lift their precious artifacts, and then chat with them like you were old neighbors as you head back out with their family heirlooms under your arm. Unfortunately, this never works in stores.
I'm personally not against it, just as long as it's not my family heirlooms
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Ah, to be called THIEF by Marin once more...
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Also, you can go to stores, and people are looking through the shelves for something, and the counter has no line. You can just go to the counter and POP! You can order something, while the idiots look on the shelves for their items.
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Also, the only items in the world are useful to battle...such as a Lava Cookie...
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I'm not sure if you did talk about it, I didn't read all your things...
What exactly prevents you from having more than 6 Pokémons? Why do every Pokémons you catch when you have 6 automatically transfer to some random guy's PC. And they all go on this PC only, and only your Pokémons go there.
I think Bill is a pretty cool guy. eh lends his PC to you only and doesnt afraid of anything.
Is there some sort of intelligence in the Pokéballs that says "Bip. 6 Pokéballs detected. Teleporting to someone's PC. Bip."?
Also, what exactly makes a Greatball better than a Pokéball? And Superball better than Greatball? Or well I think that's the order...
Why do they make it so complicated? Why don't they sell only one sort of Pokéball?
Why do they let a 10 years old boy play in the Casino? Shouldn't it be for adult only? Gambling at 10 years old... so wrong.
How do TMs and HMs work? How do Pokémons learn attacks with these? And why can't HMs be unlearned?
Maybe it's actually written somewhere....
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Part 9 added, about TMs and HMs like requested.
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I would be all over number nine.
Hex skills FTW.
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Actually, if you look at the pictures for TM's and HM's, they kind of look like CD players. I always assumed that they had headphones that brainwashed the pokes into learning a move.
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The pictures for TM and Hms in Emerald are small CDs , the TM case on the other hand looks like a CD player.
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Been playing Gold/Crystal again. :/
-Gym leaders, revered for possessing "powerful Pokemon" use Pokemon at the same level range as yours. (Unavoidable, yes, but a bit iffy.)
-On that note, full grown men and women always possess Pokemon at your level as well.
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I'm guessing that's so that you don't get the shite kicked out of ye
But it is a bit nonsensical
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Its also funny how a random weak trainer on later lvls could kick the *** of the first gym leader. I mean, wth. The first gym leaders are so damn weak XD
Yeah, it would suck if you were from a town with a really strong leader and that was the first gym leader you had to fight... especially if they gave you an HM that you needed to continue on.
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If Pokemon were real, and you were Ash, and you knew someone on Cinnabar Island, who wanted to be Pokemon Master with his lvl 5 Pidgey, I'd say "Dude, you're f***ed."
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I would have skipped that game. Skipped it across a lake.
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Yet, a simple "You look new, so I'll use a less powerful set," wouldn't be too hard.
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True, I suppose, but you also gotta question the logic of using just one type of pokemon in every gym. I'd laugh so hard if I was a gym leader...
"Go, Drakano!" (My permanent Charmeleon.)"
"B-But, I thought this was a water pokemon gym!"
"I LIED! AHAHAHAHA!"
(Sorry if this has been brought up before, I havn't gotten a chance to look through it.)
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Goddammit, this thread has ruined my Charas by spawning Pokemon MMO ads
That makes me sad
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Pokemon were created by humans an era before the time of which the series takes place. Those humans were almost completely wiped from the face of the world. It is unknown entirely how it happened, but a war between the constantly advancing android-creatures that were created by humans broke out. The humans underestimated the power of their creation, and dealt a large blow to their civilization. When all hope seemed to have been lost, the humans came up with a last resort method of winning the war. They were able to create a machine that would, in lamens terms, wipe the intelligence from their creation. When activated, however, the machine inadvertently wiped the minds of humans as well. An era later, humans have almost reached a similar stage in development as to what it was when they created pokemon. There is no memory of the initial creation, the war or any time before this. Because pokemon are essentially machines, the device used to destroy their intelligence also eliminated their learning ability, which was also intentional. This is why pokemon are more or less similar to animals in the sense that they can't rationalize and can only say their name (in the crappy cartoon at least). There are a few pokemon that retained some of the intelligence they had during the war. Not all, but more than most common pokemon at least. These are known as the rare, or legendary pokemon. Whether or not they recall the war is up for debate. All in all though, pokemon are nothing more than bio mechanical creations of humans in an era before the known setting in the series. That's why they can be digitized and you can put CDs in 'em to teach them things and stuff.
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Read it. Makes sense. Did you come up with that yourself or what?
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Yeah actually, hah. After seeing the bit about CDs and digitizing pokemon I thought hmm.. maybe they're machines? All the rest was just on the spot thinking.
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It doesn't explain some elements, such as Pokémon food, mating, the fact that some are used as or for food, or how some items have any effect (potions and the like). It's a good one, but just like any other attempts at rationalizing fiction, there are always flaws.
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noooo,
pokemon are demons that escaped hell.
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Yes, that actually seems to surpass any logic. It works.
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It doesn't explain some elements, such as Pokémon food, mating, the fact that some are used as or for food, or how some items have any effect (potions and the like). It's a good one, but just like any other attempts at rationalizing fiction, there are always flaws.
If they're androids, it's possible.
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According to angry Christian mothers, they are demon hellspawns.
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Demons perhaps if they are like Houndour or Houndoom.
How can a digital creature be demons though (for those angry mothers).
How can priests feel threatened by pokémons? They are just part of some game. Would be like the government saying that legend of zelda is describing communism.
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I drew a picture of a snail that had arms and legs a few years ago. Is that a demon, or just the product of someone's imagination?
See?
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Didya know that the Pope said that Poke's are not satanic?
He believes that they're healthy for the imagination