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Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: nitro_crash on July 16, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
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Hey, I just remembered a question that might be interesting to share. Do you think humans are naturally violent? I mean think about it. There have have been more historic recordings of violence and wars instead of peace. In my opinion I'm probably gonna have to say yes.
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Well, we are animals so it's sort of a natural thing.
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Of course we are, and 90% of wemon hate thier father and want to have sex with thier mother.
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Humans are just easily corrupted.
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Peace is typically boring. War produces strong emotions, and makes people get off their lazy asses, whether it be to partake in it, to protest it, to support it, etc... And wars make for good discussion and debate later on.
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The baby trained by animals will attack to eat or defend himself.
The baby trained by humans will attack others for various reason, often when it's not necessary.
Although it also depends on many factors.
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Yes.
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Well I had a Shih Tzu and a Rottweiler few years ago, and the Shih Tzu was more aggresive than the Rottweiler.
In fact, the Rottweiler was a total pussy.
But she was probably just an exception.
Anyway, yeah, humans in general are jerks. Or at least compared to other animals.
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Of course we are violent. We are the master race.
And war makes the economy go "yay", you mine ores and stuff. you make weapons. you make uniforms, you make vehicles.
Country gets money - loses some people.
And really, of course there are wars and stuff, but not all countries participate in them. There are a lot of countries that are simply left. Or they are dragged in where they surrender to their new leaders.
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Yes.
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And really, of course there are wars and stuff, but not all countries participate in them. There are a lot of countries that are simply left. Or they are dragged in where they surrender to their new leaders the Swiss.
Fixed.
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Yes, we are naturally violent. However, we're also an intelligent and social species, so we have ideas of peace. These conflict, and our natural desires take priority over our thought-up desires.
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wemon
Argh!
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War... UGH... Good God yall. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
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thier father and want to have sex with thier
Argh!
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Are bears naturally violent? There are way more cases of bear attacks documented, then bear picnics.
I will have to say yes.
This thread is a convoluted attempt at upping your post count.
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But there are way more cases of human attacks than bears!
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And way more humans than bears.
I wonder if the bear attack/human attack ratios are proportionate?
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No bears caused genocides.
No bears made mass murders.
No bears participated in wars involving millions of people.
No bears caused an animal race to disappear.
And there are no Teddy Humans.
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And there are no Teddy Humans.
Brilliant.
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Weren't teddy bears named after a Teddy human?
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Weren't teddy bears named after a Teddy human?
Teddy Roosevelt was not a Teddy Human. No such thing exists.
Get your facts straight.
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She said "Teddy human", not "Teddy Human". Whereas one implies what it sounds like, the other suggests a human classified as "Teddy".
Get your facts straight.
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No bears caused genocides.
No bears made mass murders.
No bears participated in wars involving millions of people.
No bears caused an animal race to disappear.
And there are no Teddy Humans.
No bears are sentient beings either. I honestly attribute violence to sentience, rather then "Human nature"
Theres no grounds for comparison here, because there exists no other sentient creatures for us to compare ourselves to.
Ergo, we could be the most peacefull of all sentient beings.
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No bears caused genocides.
No bears made mass murders.
No bears participated in wars involving millions of people.
No bears caused an animal race to disappear.
And there are no Teddy Humans.
Ants wage war in which thousands of ants can die. War is something that belongs to living organisms, so is violence. Some have a worse case then others, but as long as there are living organisms, there will be a war of some sort. Sure, bears don't wage war in which millions of bears are involved, but that's because they can't. But if there was a group of a million bears and they entered the territory of a different group of a million bears, then there would be a bear war.
Lurk more on Animal Planet.
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Violence in living organisms is due to our overwhelming survival instincts and instincts of greed. Not every man in every army naturally violent and agrees with every war they are in. Wars are made by few men with larger ambition in which if they had to risk thier own life would rather not have had war in the first place. Many and most people who go to war do so because these few men persuade them into joining thier army, and when its comes time to fight and alot of these people don't wish to fight they must because they fear for thier own lives and the lives of thier families, do to the fact they swore fealty to a few men whos ambitions outway thier care of the preservation of human life. We are not like most animals because most animals aren't intelligent enough to peruade millions and millions of other animals that they are better than those animals, that thier lives are worth more, and that they have no choice but to join the cause because of the piece of dirt they live on.
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Greed is an instinct?
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Well you know what I mean, can't really think of the word for it.
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Ants wage war in which thousands of ants can die. War is something that belongs to living organisms, so is violence. Some have a worse case then others, but as long as there are living organisms, there will be a war of some sort. Sure, bears don't wage war in which millions of bears are involved, but that's because they can't. But if there was a group of a million bears and they entered the territory of a different group of a million bears, then there would be a bear war.
Lurk more on Animal Planet.
Ants weren't involved. We were talking about bears! And so far, there never was any bear wars!
Maybe some animals do have wars, though, but they still haven't bring another species to the point of extinction. They still haven't committed genocide, or mass murder for no particular reason.
No animals will murder simply for fun or because they had a bad day.
Humans will. Well, not all, but some.
However, it is true that we can't really compare humans to animals. There are way too many differences between them and us.
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No bears are sentient beings either. I honestly attribute violence to sentience, rather then "Human nature"
Theres no grounds for comparison here, because there exists no other sentient creatures for us to compare ourselves to.
Ergo, we could be the most peacefull of all sentient beings.
How exactly do you define sentience?
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Ants weren't involved. We were talking about bears! And so far, there never was any bear wars!
Don't be that big an idiot, idiot. I was using ants as an EXAMPLE. I know you were talking about bears. I would have given bears as an example if there were ENOUGH BEARS to have wars to begin with. Now go sit in the naughty corner.
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This thread is a convoluted attempt at upping your post count.
Um...No. I wasn't even thinking about that I just wanted to see what other people's responses would be if humans are naturally violent or they are just influenced by certain surroundings.
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Don't be that big an idiot, idiot. I was using ants as an EXAMPLE. I know you were talking about bears. I would have given bears as an example if there were ENOUGH BEARS to have wars to begin with. Now go sit in the naughty corner.
The other points still stand, though.
No pointless murders, no genocide and no races were extinct by bears.
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Maybe not by ants but certainly by other animals. Don't take the "bear" thing too literally, you know I mean animals in general. Bear is just an example, like the ant.
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Yeah, don't worry, I know.
Also, I'll be honest... I didn't know there were ant wars. That must be something pretty cool to watch.
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Yeah, don't worry, I know.
Also, I'll be honest... I didn't know there were ant wars. That must be something pretty cool to watch.
Sure is, they got light sabers and all. **** is so cash.
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Meme.
Humans are the most intelligent of all species and we still haven't figured out what to do with it. We are not inherently violent: We are inherently primitive.
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Hey, I just remembered a question that might be interesting to share. Do you think humans are naturally violent? I mean think about it. There have have been more historic recordings of violence and wars instead of peace.
I'm not sure what this means exactly. Aren't instances of violence and war more likely to be recorded than just saying, "Well, nothing's really going on right now"? Or do you mean, historically, societies are more often in a state of war than peace?
I don't like to chalk anything up to nature, because that reeks of justification and rationalization to me. Just like criminals who blame the fact that they murdered somebody on their tumultuous childhood or whatnot. Childhood abuse and neglect can be a contributing factor, but they still made the conscious decision to kill.
To those who argue that the violent tendencies of our closest living ancestors, the chimpanzees, indicate that we're also violent at our core, I point to the relatively peaceful bonobos, who are every bit as close to us genetically. It's not that there are no violent bonobos, it's that the "dominant" female bonobos do not tolerate violence and stand as a united front against it. Yes, and bonobos also have sex like crazy and use sexual favors to resolve disputes. Take from that what you will.
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Emerates more or less sums up my thoughts. Emerates among a few other people.
Also,
inb4 someone blames religion and the shitstorm begins *readies umbrella*
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Most wars have been fought in the name of religion. Does this make religion evil? (oh yes I did =D)
Personally, and most people know it, I'm not a big fan of religion. But war isn't only to blame on religion, it's to blame on differences. And if your god tells you other gods are fake, then you have a big difference.
Still waiting for War on Atheism, though.
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As I recall, around 20 million Christians died in Russia. That kind of overshadows quite a lot there.
Also, religion is not exactly the reason for most wars but a cover, the real reason for most wars, the truest reason is these factors: Power, fortune, and dominion. This was often under the cover of the MASK of religion.
Ultimately, these three are the biggest reasons. Fact.
But this too, has ultimately no bearing on such a shallow topic as this. Let us leave atheism and religion out of this, it's as said, an excuse more than a reason.
Edit: In other words: No zealoting.
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As I recall, around 20 million Christians died in Russia. That kind of overshadows quite a lot there.
Also, religion is not exactly the reason for most wars but a cover, the real reason for most wars, the truest reason is these factors: Power, fortune, and dominion. This was often under the cover of the MASK of religion.
Ultimately, these three are the biggest reasons. Fact.
But this too, has ultimately no bearing on such a shallow topic as this. Let us leave atheism and religion out of this, it's as said, an excuse more than a reason.
Edit: In other words: No zealoting.
*puts away his torch and pitchfork*
Aw... man.
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It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. That's what Arwnold says.
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It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. That's what Arwnold says.
The govna?