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Title: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: zuhane on August 31, 2009, 12:52:13 AM
I'm such a movie critic and I just watched it (The director's cut) and was completely blown away. Every last intricate detail was perfect, it
resembled the graphic novel with unrivalled precision. The acting was fantastic, the mood was gripping and stagnant, and
the characterization was brilliant. It gave you a deep insight into the characters' pasts and how they shared their relationships.
It was directed so stylishly. From the moment I watched it right up until the end, I was grabbing my seat wondering how things were going to
pan out.

Anyone else seen it? Anyone else wanted to see it and decided not to because of the mixed reviews? I can't believe someone would call it
garbage. It was so effing good. I can't even conjure up the words to describe the level of awesomeness that this film blasted in my face.

It was horrific, gruesome and bitterly cruel, with some very dark humour, but I loved every second of it.

Anyway, discuss or WATCH IT! I THOROUGHLY RECOMMEND THIS FILM! 5 STARS!
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Fisherson on August 31, 2009, 01:46:06 AM
I thought it was deep and very good. A nice long movie with good music and plot. But hen again I've never read the Graphic Novels.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on August 31, 2009, 02:14:57 AM
*coughsquidcough*
Haven't seen the movie yet, and am in the middle of the comics.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Valentine27 on August 31, 2009, 02:30:47 AM
It could have been that uncomfortable...um..."love scene" between Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre II...???

Me personally? I loved the movie, because I loved the graphic novel...which would explain the Rorschach tattoo I have. It was a remarkably accurate adaptation. I couldn't put down the book when I was reading it, and I didn't want to miss any part of the movie. I guess you could say that there were a couple of things that the mass public would have difficulty absorbing, particularly if they weren't exposed to the background expressed in the book. I think it touches a lot on humanity's dark side, and the things that we're all susceptible to. It has an applicable message. But the problem for many people was that it was ironically too loyal to the source material, so much so that it alienated the general public. And then there's that queasy sex scene. And I swear, when I saw it in theaters, there were 20-something year old guys squirming and giggling every time there was a scene with certain massively exposed glowing blue junk. It got a lot of heat for being too showy too. But I think when it comes down to it, the movie had the tendency to make a lot of people uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on August 31, 2009, 02:41:34 AM
It kinda surprises me that there is so much blue penis (talk) because there hasn't been all that much in the comic so far.
And every time there has been, it's been from a distance.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: SaiKar on August 31, 2009, 03:13:35 AM
It kinda surprises me that there is so much blue penis (talk) because there hasn't been all that much in the comic so far.
And every time there has been, it's been from a distance.

Oh man. Everywhere in the movie. EVERYWHERE I SAY.

It was an okayish movie. I don't regret the ticket price, but I don't really feel compelled to see it again.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Valentine27 on August 31, 2009, 04:40:38 AM
It kinda surprises me that there is so much blue penis (talk) because there hasn't been all that much in the comic so far.
And every time there has been, it's been from a distance.

Nah, not so much in the comic, and not really in the movie either, if you really think about it. I thought so the first time I saw it, but when I watched it on DVD it was pretty much like whatever, not apparant at all, and not nearly as frequent as it initially seemed.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Nandez on August 31, 2009, 05:28:04 AM
Manhattan being naked was mentioned alot in any bad review I read.
Regardless some people like it some won't I liked it my brother hated it, not everyone will like it.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Bluhman on August 31, 2009, 07:27:01 AM
The watchmen movie took a lot of stuff very directly from the comic, which is both good and bad. I mean, I first watched the movie, then decided to read a bit of the graphic novel. And very quickly, I began to realize that the two coincided in appearance and storyline very much. There were two main differences I noticed, though:

1. Many of the side stories involving minor characters, such as the newspaper salesman and psychiatrist were left out in the movie. That's a real shame, because they actually made for some very nice side-characters.
2. In the movie, Adrian seems to be completely cold-hearted and comes off as a real big jerk. When I read the comic, he seemed to be a lot more humane, which made his views and goals actually something you could relate to a bit.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on August 31, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
I loved the movie, but Mr. Manhattan ruined it for me, seriously there was no need for so much damn blue penis.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2009, 09:00:13 AM
squid


also: poorly utilized soundtrack.
It was done as good as it could have been. I loved it, because it was my favorite book ever, and still is.
But it should NEVER have been made into a film.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Emerates on August 31, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
I'd say the movie's ending was actually more believable than the comic's.  I find it hard to make giant squids in my basement AM I RIGHT.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: zuhane on August 31, 2009, 01:18:14 PM
I admit that "epic" scenes in moves with explosions and CGI kind of bore me. But there were so many quality scenes
like the Rorschach prison and paedo scenes. Oh my. The intro was fantastic. So well made. It was really dark. The only
bits I didn't find as exciting were the ship scenes and the burning building scenes.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on August 31, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
Ignore the penis haters, join us*.
I haven't watched it cause I'm still reading the comic...slowly...
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on August 31, 2009, 08:58:37 PM
I have to say though that Rorschach is my absolute favorite character. I loved the line when he was in prison "I'm not stuck in here with you, your stuck in here with me!" And throws the vat of burning oil into the guys face. Definately awesome.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on August 31, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
My pleasure as always.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on August 31, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
Wow, the ads here are boring.
"Netflix can give you Watchmen!"
>>

Yeah, that part was pretty sweet in the comics as well.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Nandez on August 31, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
You don't notice the blue penis that much unless you are looking for it.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on September 01, 2009, 01:44:02 AM
I assume you noticed it through the whole movie then?
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on September 01, 2009, 01:50:24 AM
I assume you noticed it through the whole movie then?
I must admit, that made me laugh.
And Nandez, for some people, it just pops out.
It's not very often you see a big blue shlong in a movie.
Unless your watching some very risque Smurf vids.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: supasora on September 01, 2009, 02:27:37 AM
I thought the movie was boring. I'm not into the super serious super hero movies. Im more of an Iron Man and spiderman guy. Im also not a fan of DC comics.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Archem on September 01, 2009, 02:40:15 AM
All I got out of this topic so far is "blue penises".

I see my work is done before I even got here.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: MissingName on September 01, 2009, 02:43:23 AM
I read the Watchmen and V for Vendetta.  Alan Moore has some great stuff.

Has anyone ever tried to read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?  I get confused and and up giving it back to my friend.  I guess I'm stupid like that.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Red Giant on September 01, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
Every last intricate detail was perfect, it resembled the graphic novel with unrivalled precision.
[spoiler]
Have you read the graphic novel? I don't meant to be insulting but, you know, you might wanna revisit it. Just off the top of my head:
-The VERY FIRST SCENE; 300 style VOOM VOOM
-ENTIRE black psychiatrist sidestory removed
-ENTIRE news vendor/black freighter sidestory removed
-Rorscach's saw scene
-Plenty of extra violence- including hanging ceiling guts, wtf?
-Nite Owl 1, more like Nite owl barely even had any lines
-Veidt turned from a sympathetic, troubled character into a dark, weedy little ****er
-No way did silk spectre look like that
-Nite Owl going NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And obviously no giant squid. There's nothing wrong with the movie, but it just isn't special. It's well adapted from a "We copied certain lines exactly" point of view- but then, why is that something to be proud of? I can read sh*t and remember it later too. There just doesn't seem to be any deeper understanding of the novel. Veidt is turned from a moral dilemma into a straight-up eaasy-to-hate bastard-weirdo. Frames are cut out to make way for ultra-violence. The human sidestories are removed completely, the perspective they offer completely ignored. I don't know if these things were cut to make the movie more palatable to the general moviegoing sh*tmuncher or are genuine fumbles, but they cheapened the experience, for me at least. I have to agree with gemini's sentiment. The movie isn't bad, it just smacks of needlessness.

Still, I suppose if it gets more people to read the novel, that's no bad thing.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: X_marks_the_ed on September 01, 2009, 12:30:45 PM
Watched up until the guy with the weird face did something to that guy who burned the girl. After that, I just didn't feel like watching it anymore. Although hearing mother shout 'THERE IT IS!' was funny as hell.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on September 01, 2009, 12:31:59 PM
I would consider reading the novels, I never really have read anything of DC or Marvel, but this eriously makes me consider buying one.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Moosetroop11 on September 01, 2009, 12:43:06 PM
Watchmen, V for vendetta, From hell, League of extraordinary gentlemen... The guy's a genius and incredibly flexible.

Anyway, the film... I know one thing that was wrong with it. Silk Spectre 2's wooden acting. I'm not saying it was a bad movie but you can't label it perfect with such a terrible piece of acting from one of the lead cast.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: lilsniffs3 on September 01, 2009, 06:59:04 PM
Read the comics, never saw the movie.

I heard people say that it was too long. (Not friends, critics.)
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Archem on September 01, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
Don't ever listen to critics. They're dipshits who nitpick and have no clue about what people like.

Except for me. I'm a critic who you should always listen to.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: lilsniffs3 on September 01, 2009, 09:03:03 PM
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*brain explodes from confusion*
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Archem on September 01, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: zuhane on September 01, 2009, 09:49:59 PM
To give you an idea, just watch this opening scene. It's not a spolier at all. The movie opens with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-CQtsc_go

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SQUADALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: fruckert on September 01, 2009, 10:00:46 PM
...I wasn't too fond of it.
It was...too Zack Snyder-esque.
Less subtle...
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: lilsniffs3 on September 01, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
To give you an idea, just watch this opening scene. It's not a spolier at all. The movie opens with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-CQtsc_go

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SQUADALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like they added a lot to the scenes. I remember the fight was only shown when Rorschach's journal was being read (If i remember correctly.)
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on September 01, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
Watchmen, V for vendetta, From hell, League of extroardinary gentlemen... The guy's a genius and incredibly flexible.

Anyway, the film... I know one thing that was wrong with it. Silk Spectre 2's wooden acting. I'm not saying it was a bad movie but you can label it perfect with such a terrible piece of acting from one of the lead cast.

V for Vendetta is one of my all-time-favorite movies. I loved every second of it.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Red Giant on September 02, 2009, 12:35:48 AM
See, that is exactly what I'm talking about. Slow motion combat scenes that don't exist in the source material? Bollocks.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Archem on September 02, 2009, 03:31:35 AM
Slow motion doesn't exist at all. And the source material is one step slower than slow motion: No motion. They just sped things up.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on September 02, 2009, 05:08:33 AM
Touché man.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Red Giant on September 02, 2009, 11:24:50 AM
Slow motion doesn't exist at all. And the source material is one step slower than slow motion: No motion. They just sped things up.
I didn't mean the slow motion isn't in the source material, the entire fight isn't in the source material.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Archem on September 02, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Well, what can you do? If you keep 100% faithful, there's no suspense for those who read the original content.

I haven't watched or read anything Watchmen myself, so I don't know just how this particular scene has anything to do with the quality of the movie, but it doesn't sound like it's a real issue.

Just nitpicking.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Red Giant on September 02, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
Didn't say anything like that. Arguably the most massive change between the movie and the novel is the ending- it also happens to be one of the only changes that doesn't bother me at all. What matters is the soul of the scene. This scene is blunt, snyder-esque silliness. Add a ten minute scene to the beginning of Shawshank Redemption in which the characters are sitting around making d*ck jokes and tell me it doesn't cheapen the experience somewhat.

I loved Nolan's batman films- in which practically every single detail of batman's history is overturned- because the underlying themes were still compelling. Watchmen, by comparison, is extremely faithful to the source material, cosmetically at least. But pierce the surface and it just feels like none of the original magic was preserved.

Watchmen is an above average superhero movie. But it should be a spectacular movie. Maybe that's a greedy sentiment, but I just hoped for more.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: Rahl on September 02, 2009, 08:27:04 PM
Well Red, pretty much no matter what we do there will always be the books, and then there will be the movies. No movie has ever had the complete feel or went along to the letter with the book. Its just a sad fact that any movie made of any written/graphic novel will ever do ti justice. The closest I have ever felt a movie having the same feel as the book was LOTR, these were great books, and epic movies.
Title: Re: Why did Watchmen get some bad reviews?
Post by: SaiKar on September 02, 2009, 08:48:51 PM
Red's a pretty hardcore Watchmen fan, apparently. It doesn't stop him from being right about novel to movie adaptations, of course, though I wonder if his viewpoint is a bit skewed because of his fanboyness.