Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: drenrin2120 on August 14, 2012, 12:17:17 AM
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SO. I've been tossing around this idea for a few weeks, bouncing ideas off my friend. There's two main concepts, a youtube channel and a minecraft server. In the next week I should have my desktop fixed and up and running. If a minecraft server were to happen, it would be best if I could get a hand figuring out all the details on how hosting maps works. Also, buying server space is a possibility if it's affordable and used. I would also be wary about hosting a public charas server on my own computer, though it might not be as big a deal, or maybe have separate maps. Again, for this idea, I'd need some help in planning.
The second idea is a youtube channel. I was going to start one anyways and realized Charas might have a lot to offer to a youtube account. From let's plays to reviews of member's games to video tutorials to even a weekly or monthly news update. Also, I thought it would be fun to have a special charas minecraft event where we just figure out a time that's good and play one of the maps. There are some fun pvp maps we could play and throw up on the youtube for more views.
So, all that said. What do you guys think? Any suggestions are more than welcome. I'm open to just posting a bunch of videos and turning this into a community kind of thing. People could start their own webseries or work cooperatively on one. As long as people have video editing software and recording equipment, there's a lot we can do with this. I remember this idea being kind of thrown around a bit a year ago, but never went anywhere.
Anyone interested or have ideas?
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Interested in the idea, but I have no helpful information to bring to the table.
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I like em both. I actually plan on releasing a few projects I did myself.
The (fully approved) Remixes/Updates to Death Proclaimed and Death Proclaimed 2
Whereas I did not make these games myself, my addition and contribution to the original game ce aught the eye and
pleased the original author very much.
My Herb/Health Kit system I made to make Death Proclaimed more bearable
[spoiler](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg338/scaled.php?server=338&filename=imageucj.png&res=landing)[/spoiler]
I'm also in the works for an RPG Maker XP project (much of which, I'm also making the RPG Maker XP Minecraft Texture Pack)
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Nice. LP or review of either of those would be good. Either you could do it or someone else, I'm not too sure how the youtube channel should be structured. I think winging it a bit isn't a bad idea. I won't pretend I have a ton of experience editing and recording videos and commentating.
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I think this could be a really cool idea. It would help liven things up a bit in the forums and get people working together on stuff. We could even upload felix's Rm2k3 skins to give
it a proper charas feel!
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I like the idea, but would this be more "I made my game and I'm putting my own movie of me playing it on youtube" or "so and so made a game and I am doing a let's play of it on charas to show my opinion of it"?
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I like the idea, but would this be more "I made my game and I'm putting my own movie of me playing it on youtube" or "so and so made a game and I am doing a let's play of it on charas to show my opinion of it"?
A mix of both
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I like the idea, but would this be more "I made my game and I'm putting my own movie of me playing it on youtube" or "so and so made a game and I am doing a let's play of it on charas to show my opinion of it"?
i imagined no one playing there own game. maybe some leeway to showcasing your game, but i imagined more of.lp and reviews. it might be expedient to decide upon some scoring system for reviews so every review is comparable and providing a consistent feel for each review. lps are obviously exempt but could be followed up with review videos. and obviously only so much can be done to limit bias but as long as reviewers keep this in mind it shouldnt be a big issue.
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I really do like this idea, so I don't want to sound like I'm bashing it or anything... but who here is actually willing to do these videos? I mean, the community is very lifeless and there have been plenty of demos posted recently that few people have played, much less so reviewed.
I guess what I am getting at is unless someone is highly dedicated to making these lp videos, not much will change. If it works however I do agree that the community should become more lively.
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I played your tech demo. The Pixel by Pixel movement is really awesome. I'm kind of envious ; n;
I for one. Would do a lets play, if my voice wasn't so skewered because of my accent.
As for reviews. I'm slowly yet slowly warming up to RPG Maker again. I've abandoned 2k3 though, I'm just way too behind in the abilities of others.
I plan on making a nice XP Game in the same manner as Death Proclaimed/ Silent Hill.
Reasons Why.
[spoiler]
As with RPGs. The characters have too much depth, you have to create a bunch of NPCs, make huge pointless houses and rooms just for depth, but serve very little purpose.
As with a horror/survival game. you have little Stats/levels to work with. You have your weapons, your health, medkits, and enemies. That's all. You don't have over 30+ enemies, and you can keep things small and simple. Allowing for very fluent development with programs such as BlizzAbs. Which handles the combat for you. I'll be releasing a thread for it in the upcoming month once I feel it's in an uploadable state. [/spoiler]
Me and my friend recently got into it since we're both really huge fans of silent Hill, and he enjoys RPG Maker projects itself.
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I for one. Would do a lets play, if my voice wasn't so skewered because of my accent.
Accent? What accent? I have to know now.
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Accent? What accent? I have to know now.
I'll maybe possibly upload a soundclip so everyone can laugh at me.
I sound like a young English/British teen whos jacked up on hard drugs and energy drinks.
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I wouldn't feel bad about having an accent. Several people from here are from Europe and I know for a fact that a few of the more active members back in the day were British :)
And yes, while horror games don't focus on exploration as much as an rpg would, they do focus more on atmosphere, so you DO have to work harder in some areas.
I will be most happy to play your horror game if it doesn't just use darkness and cheap lighting to make an atmosphere though. Alone: Cold Winter comes to mind as a good rm game that is horror styled that I enjoyed.
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Felix, if you have an accent, you MUST do reviews or let's plays...or at least give them a try. Accents are awesome. :D
I'm...well...kind of tempted to volunteer to try, but I still have a few CGR's sitting around in my inbox that I never got around to a year ago or so when they were sent to me. I do have more time and more privacy than I did back then, so it might be a more distinct possibility now. I never liked recording reviews or doing Natako Sings recordings when my roommates were around, but now I'm back home with all the privacy I need so I might be able to get into doing some stuff again. Maybe I should try to do those old crappy games first and make sure that I actually have the time to do it this time around...
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DO IT
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You do have some, though, no? Fairly sure I remember you reviewing something a long while ago.
But yeah, I agree. You should post these reviews and make more. And more singing, too. Love your voice <3
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PEER PRESSURE.
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MY accent makes me wanna cry ; n ;
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You know what, Felix? I don't like the sound of my own voice. I think it sounds weird. However, that doesn't seem to be the case for other people. I bet it's all in your head. ;)
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Your own voice recorded will sound awful. Well maybe not for them singer people like zerlina but more or less everyone else.
Suppose I do have a bit of accent since I'm swedish, can't pronounce every word right. But common swedes, yikes. Using swedish grammar and linguistics doesn't cut it when speaking another language.
And oh yeah. You guys go for it. It sounds awesome.
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Natako has a really good voice, too. Even better in person. She dislikes it because she's silly.
Though actually, I feel like mostly everyone dislike their own voice. I also dislike mine...
And as for my accent, I know Natako loves it. Other than that, I don't know.
However, don't be fooled; I may speak French, but I don't have the stereotypical French accent.
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I like my voice, but I wish I had a better singing voice. As it stands, I shouldn't be singing anything ever.
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I don't like my voice and also wish I could sing better. Or sing at all.
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Hahahahahahohohoholy ****, good luck with that.
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Shut up Bluh.
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Bluhman why you so mean D:
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You guys should be pleased to know that I've completed a Crappy Game review and will probably have it up on the site soon. I'm going to search through the remainder of my inbox and see if there are any others with working links...because most of them don't work anymore, unfortunately.
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nice, natako. How old are they? Just curious.
So I was thinking we should set some basic goals. Generally, I feel doing reviews and LPs of some user games and even games people have made from other sites would be a good start. It'd give us some time to try out hosting a youtube channel and attempting to edit and upload videos semi frequently. Minecraft server and charas events could be a later goal we can aim for.
oh and bluhman, suck it.
Suck it like you mean it.
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I deleted some of the messages to clear inbox space, but there are some in there from June/July of last year. Wow, I suck. lol
I think it would be good to start with the youtube channel and see if we can keep it regularly updated first. One issue we might have run into last year with pulling random games out of the forums and reviewing them was that...well, there was no system involved or even established. I mean, are we just supposed to choose a game at random out of the Completed Projects/Demos section? Should it be more systematic? Like you said, should we perhaps even review games from other sites?
I think we should gather a list of which people are interested in doing what as well. That way, we'll know if we have a ton of people doing LP's and few doing straight-up reviews or vise versa.
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Alright, I definitely agree with those problems. We should form a team and discuss who wants to do what. I def like reviewing other games not just posted here on charas. We could make a statement when it's a charas original. Also, potentially getting some artists to do soem graphics for the youtube and various opening sequences of videos and what have you. Of course, those details can be discussed later. Just vomiting ideas right now
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If we're going to pull this off, we need to plan a bit more.
Right now, we're doing the same mistake we always do...bring up a really cool idea without doing any sort of big thinking about it.
That is what causes us to fail as consistently as we do.
A big problem is that none of us really have the skill or experience to make good game reviews that will keep people coming.
Let's Plays are a little easier, as long as you put a lot of personality into it.
Game reviews, however, need you to really know what you're talking about in order to make it engaging.
All the humor in the world won't help if all that you're saying is "This game sucks/rocks and you should/n't play it".
And, well, no offence to us all, but we aren't exactly the best at that.
After we get a little more experience actually making games, and maybe when we have some cool stuff to showcase, sure, but at present...I don't think this is going to work.
The server is fine, though, I think that'd be fun.
If people would be willing to keep it up and make cool ****, that is.
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If we're going to pull this off, we need to plan a bit more.
Right now, we're doing the same mistake we always do...bring up a really cool idea without doing any sort of big thinking about it.
That is what causes us to fail as consistently as we do.
A big problem is that none of us really have the skill or experience to make good game reviews that will keep people coming.
Let's Plays are a little easier, as long as you put a lot of personality into it.
Game reviews, however, need you to really know what you're talking about in order to make it engaging.
All the humor in the world won't help if all that you're saying is "This game sucks/rocks and you should/n't play it".
And, well, no offence to us all, but we aren't exactly the best at that.
After we get a little more experience actually making games, and maybe when we have some cool stuff to showcase, sure, but at present...I don't think this is going to work.
The server is fine, though, I think that'd be fun.
If people would be willing to keep it up and make cool ****, that is.
I get what you're saying about reviews, but I don't really agree either. Doing reviews isn't easy, but I think it's quite obvious that there's more to it than just "this game sucks and is stupid." That's why I suggested criterion for reviews, for consistency and a level playing field for reviewing games. Also, if anyone wants to do reviews, it's not hard to watch or read other people's reviews, take some cues from them, read up on a few tutorials for recording videos and watch your bias. I've actually already done all that. I'm not saying I'll be the best, but I get the concerns and I don't see how hard it'll be to keep a lid on all that as long as you're conscious of it.
That said, I don't think reviews are for everyone. Who knows, if I try my hand at reviewing a game, maybe I'll suck balls at it. There is a lot to know and there are a lot of angles, but I think we deserve a little more credit than we give ourselves. So, if people are afraid of reviews, I wouldn't object and would understand wanting to put off doing that kind of video for a while. LPs, video tuts, etc., in that case, are still fair game.
On the note of bigger planning, I agree we should do a lot of that. I think Natako was more or less saying that.
We can start planning by deciding how we want to organize this all. Example, Natako suggested roles. That means, what kind of roles are available? Off the top of my head, someone has to edit each video (whether original creator or not), someone/people have to update/maintain youtube page, someone/people have to create various kinds of videos, someone has to make banner art for the page(do we want banner art? Do we want an opening music theme? An opening title?) After that, we should consider a way of deciding what makes it on to the youtube page and what doesn't. Also, are we creating one single page where all videos are uploaded to one central location? Or are we creating different linked youtube accounts for different kinds of videos? Let's decide on these basic things before worrying about anything else.
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Well I think we're doing plenty of planning. If two pages of discussing vocal qualities of members counts as planning.
Yes, minecraft server is fine. So long as you've got a standalone computer that is alright running near-constantly with net access, or otherwise is able to post messages to warn people when said server is going up/down.
Then there's the youtube channel.
Charas might have a lot to offer to a youtube account.
Am I right to say that charas might have little to offer as a game-making community? For one, there's only 16 threads in the finished games section. 6 of them have been posted in in the last year, and one is only that recent due to a bumping bot. So that's 5 effective games that still apparently have any development still going on them available to you. Give or take some material other members might be sneaking in here and there.
Of course, that's just the section for finished games. If you want to get technical, there's also the RPGMaker game section, which actually has a sizable number of threads that have been active recently. Sort of moot when you consider:
A: Not all of them are actually threads about games in progress.
B: Threads that are about games in progress might very well be far too early in development to be in any sort of displayable form
C: RPGMaker is niche. Like, ultra-super niche. Even moreso when considering that perhaps the most preferred creator around here, RPGMaker2003, is literally almost a decade old.
So yes, you could might make a youtube channel, and you might get some people to put out finished games or presentable demos that are longer than 15 minutes, and you might make videos of them, and people on youtube that aren't necessarily part of the Charas community or know what RPGMaker is might watch them. The reason one would go about making a youtube channel would be to get some sort of publicity or popularity (I guess, I don't study youtuber psychology unfortunately). What I'm trying to say is who outside of this community is going to watch this. And if your answer to that question is "probably nobody", then why bother with a dedicated Youtube channel at all?
Again, this is all assuming that we even manage to get some finished and presentable games up and available. I'd also cite Drakhan's Crappy Game Reviews as an almost counterpoint to all this, except I can't seem to find his channel, and I can't exactly gauge how many of his ratings/comments were from outside or inside Charas. He also seemed to have his own posse of separate people who were watching his development of Ruins of Azagale or whatever it was called.
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If I recall Drak baleeted his channel due to drama.
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Yeah, that's right, something to do with hacking and all that.
At least my voice-acted game can't be used against me now.
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Well, I do recall suggesting reviewing/LPing games outside of the community. And no, I don't think the youtube channel would be only about getting publicity for charas.
I personally just want to give this a go. Reviewing, LPing games or yes, making video tutorials on some aspects of rm2k3 was something I had in mind. This is just an experiment and if it's successful, then I get to do some cool stuff with my favesies internet community like maybe hosting a minecraft server, or whatever else we decide to do. Which for that, there are ways to do it without actually buying a separate computer and leaving it on. I don't have any grandiose ideas of this blowing up into a big thing, it just sounds like fun.
So, thanks for the criticism, but you're not saying anything I wasn't already aware of.
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It would be a good way to promote demos and sites. Youtube receives a lot of traffic after all.
I'll try to do my best to provide something to be reviewed. As far as video editing goes, I won't be able to help there.
Another way to add content is to put trailers of games up. These trailers would of course be made by the game makers themselves.
As for the reviewing angle and considering bias and whatnot... I think that could easier be fixed if you make a little rule or code stating that any game that is reviewed, must have a second person reviewing it. Two people reviewing one project... bound to cover all the bases and counter bias outlooks (if they even exist).
As a last little note... anyone here ever play League of Legends? I started a few days ago and it is kind of fun. Oh, and free. Anyways, huge multiplayer RPG, and we love rpgs.
It is free, fun, and easy to get into, and might make decent videos too. Just an idea.
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I'd like to try my hand at some regular reviews sometime. I frequent That Guy with the Glasses so I've seen a lot of good...and not-so-good reviews, and perhaps I'll create one of my own in the future.
Having more than one person review a game is a great idea. I can think of a million cases where my personal opinion of a game did not seem to match up with everyone else's (*coughFFXIIcough*) and I think it would be great to have two different angles independent of one another.
Lucas has a good point about creating a bunch of videos before we release anything. Not only will this allow us to update during slower times, but it will help us work things out between ourselves as far as how the project will work. After we've completed a few reviews, we should have a good idea of whether this is something that we'll be able to continue or not.
I can't really help with the video editing much as all I have is Windows Movie Maker...need I say more? At some point I may download some better software (I've been toying with the idea of trying to review a game for a while now), but even then I'll lack experience with the program. It would be better left to someone else.
This is purely idealistic, but imagine that we did get the ball rolling on this and gained some viewers (after all, Drak did with his Crappy Game Reviews, and those were in fact what brought me to this forum). If we can present ourselves as a credible reviewing source, we'll probably receive submissions and recommendations from people who either want to improve their games or see how they stand up to a more critical eye. Yeah, that would be an outcome far in the future, but the best part about what we're doing is that it involves games that people create instead of commercial colossi. It's sort of like free quality checking plus shameless promotion of the game you've devoted so much time and effort into creating. Kind of an appealing idea for anyone who is serious about their project, no? I'd just like to point out though that if you choose to make a simple review, you should be required to check for bugs (run into walls for passability issues, try abilities in scenarios where they shouldn't be used, etc.). It's a grand viewpoint, but...hey, you never know. Isn't worth thinking about for the time being, of course. :P
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If anything gets done, I demand that Sarah C. appears somewhere!
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I agree with Lucas's point. I'm not so sure how important weekly updates would be starting out, but having back ups sounds like a good idea no matter what point we find ourselves at.
As for associating Charas name with this all, I may or may not have already talked about this, but I actually understand that. This project could just be based out of Charas forums. For example, we could ask that anyone who wants to request we review or LP a game send us a message on youtube or more preferably contact us on Charas forum.
Also, desktop computer update, I'll hopefully be getting it fixed tomorrow. It seems the power supply fried.