STEVE! WHY STEVE WHY!?

[Razor]

Originally posted by EXO Muffin

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Originally posted by Razor quote: Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade Hey, don't worry guys. Steve Irwin is still alive in some parallel universe, so all we need to do is create a dimension-hopping machine and bring him back here. It's easy enough, but I've only done it once before. Yeah, travelling through the 5th dimension does not seem overtly easy.

O RLY? According to Quantum Immortality, it does exist in some version of a Steve Irwin Death Universe, and since Quantum Immortality means we won't ever die because in one parallel universe, we'll be preserved, somehow, we'll eventually be able to get the dimension hopper from someone in a different, parallel universe of a Steve Irwin's death universe, so we can bring a Steve Irwin from another parallel universe into this one. What you say! LIK U DUN CAN DU DAT LIEK TEH GRANDFADUR THEROY!! Well, there is some parallel universe where that doesn't take effect, and the dimension hopper will be able to harness that power, so we will eventually be able to bring a parallel universe Steve Irwin into this universe and alter it so Steve Irwin never died!

In other words, in another place, a hopper can be used. Since the other versions of ourselves could be in there, because there are infinite parallel universes, they will bring Steve back to this one, some time in the past, which is in the future, because in one parallel universe, someone from a parallel universe will bring Steve back to this universe. And since there is a parallel universe of the parallel universe that's travelling to this one, that'll be an alternate us! Meaning we will, but not until we do. Which is before Steve Irwin died, which is in the future of this universe in the present of a parallel universe making this universe the same universe as the one where Steve Irwin never died. So he didn't! He died, but he's not dead because he died. Because he died a reincarnation of Steve Irwin, named Steve Irwin, lived in this universe at the same time as our Steve Irwin. We just have to wait for time to repeat itself, which we can wait that long because of Quantum Immortality.

That was cool up until the part where I was lost completely.

[Black Massacre]

Why don't we simply go back in the past and move Steve out of the way from the stingray?      

[WarxePB]

Because that never works. Have you ever seen that episode of Futurama where they go back to 1947, and Fry tries to keep saving his grandfather, but eventually he goes into a house that gets nuked to oblivion? Yeah. It's called the friggin Predestination Paradox.

And besides, if time travel were possible, Steve Irwin wouldn't have died in the first place.

[Drace]

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Because that never works. Have you ever seen that episode of Futurama where they go back to 1947, and Fry tries to keep saving his grandfather, but eventually he goes into a house that gets nuked to oblivion? Yeah. It's called the friggin Predestination Paradox.

And besides, if time travel were possible, Steve Irwin wouldn't have died in the first place.

I agree, it would cause a time paradox. Like when you kill Ocelot in MGS3. GAME OVER; TIME PARADOX

[Dragonium]

Everyone silence with the Chuck Bloody Norris! When Chuck Norris dies I will find his thread and post a big fat "LOL" in it. >.<

Seriously, Irwin FTW. Norris FTS.

[EXO Muffin]

What I'm saying is that Steve Irwin was not THE Steve Irwin, but a reincarnation of the Steve Irwin that is yet to be born in the future, which is in the past. And the past never happened because Steve Irwin (clone of the future Steve) died, but he (our universe's Steve) didn't, because he died. So, he's yet to be born again! In the future! Which is the past. All we need to do is bring Steve Irwin back to the past, when he was born, or Steve Irwin won't exist to die, and therefore will not live because he never was. We must wait as long as it takes for a parallel universe (that has reverse chronos) version of ourselves to come to this universe with the dimension hopper, steal it from from them (that's how they got it from us) and bring the parallel universe Steve (which is the real Steve, but not until he dies is he the same Steve) into the past of a parallel universe, which alters this universe so Steve Irwin exists, but the Grandfather Affect doesn't occur because that universe has reverse chronos! The reverse chronos is what we needed, and need in the future, but not now, because the Steve Irwin of the, "past," there is really a reincarnation of the future Steve Irwin in this universe.

We COULD always just clone him, yeah, but that wouldn't be needlessly confusing. Besides, that wouldn't be THE Steve Irwin; just a clone.

[Desimodontidae]

Steve Irwin was badass. RIP.

[Moosetroop11]

Originally posted by EXO Muffin

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Originally posted by Razor quote: Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade Hey, don't worry guys. Steve Irwin is still alive in some parallel universe, so all we need to do is create a dimension-hopping machine and bring him back here. It's easy enough, but I've only done it once before. Yeah, travelling through the 5th dimension does not seem overtly easy.

O RLY? According to Quantum Immortality, it does exist in some version of a Steve Irwin Death Universe, and since Quantum Immortality means we won't ever die because in one parallel universe, we'll be preserved, somehow, we'll eventually be able to get the dimension hopper from someone in a different, parallel universe of a Steve Irwin's death universe, so we can bring a Steve Irwin from another parallel universe into this one. What you say! LIK U DUN CAN DU DAT LIEK TEH GRANDFADUR THEROY!! Well, there is some parallel universe where that doesn't take effect, and the dimension hopper will be able to harness that power, so we will eventually be able to bring a parallel universe Steve Irwin into this universe and alter it so Steve Irwin never died!

In other words, in another place, a hopper can be used. Since the other versions of ourselves could be in there, because there are infinite parallel universes, they will bring Steve back to this one, some time in the past, which is in the future, because in one parallel universe, someone from a parallel universe will bring Steve back to this universe. And since there is a parallel universe of the parallel universe that's travelling to this one, that'll be an alternate us! Meaning we will, but not until we do. Which is before Steve Irwin died, which is in the future of this universe in the present of a parallel universe making this universe the same universe as the one where Steve Irwin never died. So he didn't! He died, but he's not dead because he died. Because he died a reincarnation of Steve Irwin, named Steve Irwin, lived in this universe at the same time as our Steve Irwin. We just have to wait for time to repeat itself, which we can wait that long because of Quantum Immortality.

Whether or not you meant it, I think you've just disproved the parralell universe moving thingy

If moving between parallel universes was possible, there would have to be a parallel universe that had discovered it already, and since every posibility is explored, there would have to be at least one parallel universe that had used this power to edit our universe in every way...

I think. Wait a minute. That would mean that someone would have prevented hitler's death in this universe for instance, and since he is dead, the theory is disproven.

Aww no, just because parallel universes exist doesn't mean time travel exists, which would mean that chronology would still be a factor. Gawd, Am I speaking rubbish? This might help, anyway.

[emiiru]

yeah, what you said has meaning to it. This could just be universe that's out of the loop

[EXO Muffin]

Well, they did prevent the death of Hitler. Hitler is still alive, but this universe is just a parallel universe of the non-Hitler-death universe. They couldn't access this universe to prevent the death of him because he was already dead in another universe, which infinitely alters this universe because of the mirrored universes, so he died because he wasn't dead yet.

Philosophy of muffins:

Anything is possible, but not neccisarily in this universe. Laws of physics for,"there can't be that! This rule can't be true because it's not possible," rules do not apply, because since there are infinite parallel universes, there are possibilities in each, which rule out impossibilities in the whole of the multiverse. You can't prove me wrong, because whatever rules you input against this theory, they don't exist in some universes, making them not take effect when going through them. You can't say you can't go through them, because you can in one region.

[drenrin2120]

hm.. wow, I'm actually intrigued but what you just said muffin man. It's sort of the way I think. Anything is possible. If there is the opposite of matter (anti-matter) why not the opposite of gravity? Or Einstein? Or the opposite of a star? The universe is unbelievably massive, no scientist on Earth can be certain THEIR laws of physics apply everywhere especially since they're all based on theories and hypothesis and experiments. There could be unknown factors tampering the experiments, or true, but not 50,000 to the 50,000th power lightyears away.

[Meiscool-2]

EXO Muffin -> STFU.

[Razor]

Originally posted by EXO Muffin
Well, they did prevent the death of Hitler. Hitler is still alive, but this universe is just a parallel universe of the non-Hitler-death universe. They couldn't access this universe to prevent the death of him because he was already dead in another universe, which infinitely alters this universe because of the mirrored universes, so he died because he wasn't dead yet.

Philosophy of muffins:

Anything is possible, but not neccisarily in this universe. Laws of physics for,"there can't be that! This rule can't be true because it's not possible," rules do not apply, because since there are infinite parallel universes, there are possibilities in each, which rule out impossibilities in the whole of the multiverse. You can't prove me wrong, because whatever rules you input against this theory, they don't exist in some universes, making them not take effect when going through them. You can't say you can't go through them, because you can in one region.

What? No. If Hitler didn't die in the war, and he did not die from someone killing him, and he staved off all cancers and bad things, he would still be dead by now. He was like 56 in 1945. That does not give him much to be alive now.

Originally posted by drenrin2120
hm.. wow, I'm actually intrigued but what you just said muffin man. It's sort of the way I think. Anything is possible. If there is the opposite of matter (anti-matter) why not the opposite of gravity? Or Einstein? Or the opposite of a star? The universe is unbelievably massive, no scientist on Earth can be certain THEIR laws of physics apply everywhere especially since they're all based on theories and hypothesis and experiments. There could be unknown factors tampering the experiments, or true, but not 50,000 to the 50,000th power lightyears away.

Consider this: Antimatter exists. We can touch antimatter (probably shouldn't though). Gravity, in the same physical sense, does not exist. It is a force created by concentrated mass. Every thing in the universe has its own gravity, but since most of those things are very small, the gravity is not noticable (Humans also have very weak gravity. But since we're NOT the size of a planet, and the fact that we're standing on a huge ball [Earth] means we won't have things floating around us). What about Einstein?

A star is a large area of cosmic gas (like 99.99(repeating)% hydrogen) that becomes disturbed and gradually concentrated in one area until that area gains small gravity, causing all gas near it to move closer, until eventually it is one big ball, and (I think) the friction of all the movin' particules causes massive heat, until inevitably the gas just goes up and BAM fire.

Keeping in mind, this is what a star is, you must ask, what could possibly be the opposite? The closest thing is a black hole, which instead of sending light into the universe, its intense gravity causes everything to go towards it, even light. Otherwise, if you wanted the opposite of a star to be a body that repells things with its mysterious antigravity, this would not be possible, as stated by Newton's(?) Third(?) law, where every particle in the universe is attacted to every other particle in the universe.

[drenrin2120]

But how can you be so sure? What if there is some part of the galaxy where physics is obscured. And plus, when it comes to antimatter, if antimatter and matter touched they cancel eachother out, essentially "vaporizing" eachother, right? So then how can antimatter exist in some other far far galaxy? There must be some kind of transition, maybe a matter that is not cancelled out by other matter or anti matter. Or some kind of polar field seperating the two. Of course these are assumptions and thus have no ground to be widespread belief. This brings me back to the point that we can make observations and theories about our galaxy, but how can we be so sure that these inferences are true for EVERY galaxy? Especially one composed of anti-matter?

That's my take on the whole thing. You can call me ignorant or whatever, but it makes sense to me.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by drenrin2120
Or some kind of polar field seperating the two.

Duh, it's called "Outer-Space".