Bonk Bonk Bonk!

[Meiscool-2]

I still wanna be request forum moderator. I highly dislike people STILL posting the "No requests with one post" 'rule' even though it's non-exsistant.

[I Have a Sandwich]

See, this is why I love charas. One or two pages of violent yelling and such, then we all seem to have a giant love fest. Its like a real family XD

[WarxePB]

If we were to do public elections again, rest assured that they would be better maintained than the fiasco(es) with Trevlac and/or Red Giant.

And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though.

IHAS: XD
Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.


So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich
See, this is why I love charas. One or two pages of violent yelling and such, then we all seem to have a giant love fest. Its like a real family XD

it's the way it SHOULD be. Like haha, look at how stupid i looked for saying noobs.


"anything else?"

Yes, I am not raffles. Please tell people to like stop stalking me. As if I had that much time.

And if you can... make the bonk into a pm too. like bonk sent, a pm will also be sent for the record of the user. Sorta like a pink slip.

Sure they can delete it, but i know some people that would keep them.

[WarxePB]

Like I said, we will add some sort of a bonk count to the forum somewhere. That's a definate yes.
And, for the record, I don't think I compared you to Raffles, Kij. I compared myself to him, perhaps, but I respect you a great deal more than him.

Gem: We did debate having a prestige status of some sort added to Charas, but we decided against it because we felt that it would just discriminate against the newer members, especially if it didn't have any sort of special feature - it would be basically saying "These members are better than you".
And also, I actually don't disagree with some of the stuff you're saying. I think you would make a fine mod, but not necessarily here or now.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though.

IHAS: XD
Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.

-I should be mod XD
-An inbred is right, who has sandwiches, skeletons, peoples, kirbies, and stick figures? What the hell is that?

But I hope you guys will read what I said about the wya you warn. I'm kind of tired of the broad non-descriptive method that is used. I got bonked, it didn't say what for. I know what it was for, but imagine I had left, and been unable to access for a few days, and it said I was bonked, and had the possibility of being banned. I wouldn't know or remember what for. I wouldn't even know who to ask about it.

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich

quote:

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade And I agree with you, MIC - we need to stop the mini-modding in the Requests forum. I don't know if you would be the first chosen for the position, though. IHAS: XD Well, we just tend to get... caught up in the moment, I guess. But we are a big family - an ugly, inbred family, possibly, but a family nonetheless.

-I should be mod XD
-An inbred is right, who has sandwiches, skeletons, peoples, kirbies, and stick figures? What the hell is that?

But I hope you guys will read what I said about the wya you warn. I'm kind of tired of the broad non-descriptive method that is used. I got bonked, it didn't say what for. I know what it was for, but imagine I had left, and been unable to access for a few days, and it said I was bonked, and had the possibility of being banned. I wouldn't know or remember what for. I wouldn't even know who to ask about it.

If red, and trevlac were mods, then well. <.< sure you are better at this point i guess.

But i dont see you as a current rather... when.. stuff clears in your way. Like me, or something

[Ace of Spades]

Just for the record, we don't need anymore mods. <_< And I agree that it shouldn't be called bonk, more like a warning system instead. And of course, a little warning bar should be put in the member's profile like other forums do. And public mod elections just don't work out, as said before, they soley become popularity contests.

And Black Massacre, shut up you mini mod. :p

[Osmose]

Jeez. This calls for a gigantic post of explanations that only those who really want the long-blown-out answers will read.

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On why there are Bonks: I will take responsibility for how I posted about them - I'm sure my wording could've been a lot more descriptive, but there's not much I can do about that.

I proposed the idea for the bonk system - it sat there for a few weeks, and every mod who posted agreed it was a nifty idea, and Alex agreed - hence it was executed. There was no deep discussion on the flaws of Charas and how we can solve them - it was more or less born from minor annoyances that we couldn't really punish ourselves - for example, say I, a lowly Community Contest Mod (One who did a horrible job but is still hopeful that maybe someday the CC will work on his established system - but that's another rant), could see some borderline flaming and bonk a user, even if it was in another board.

The gimmick behind the whole thing was that it would be anonymouse - like FFL said, personal opinions of mods may, and many times do, get in the way of things like this (I hate Carmen. Carmen does something stupid. I rant and rave and carry on because I think Carmen sucks. [She did suck, for the record.]) The idea was that, if the message was generically from the mod team, it would be harder for the person to ignore it, as it could be from any of them. Even Sai or Alex.

We had no desire to hide from incrimination or anything. In retrospect, the bonkings earlier were a bad messup, but the idea did and I believe still does have merit if you look at it as a tap on the shoulder of sorts. I, and I believe most of the other mods, picture bonks as a simple way to get the message out more effectively, not a super punishment tool of any kind.

If you have a suggestion to improve it that isn't something along the lines of "IT SUCKS ZOMG," say it and someone will hopefully read it and think about it.
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On why they're called bonks: Most of the mods appreciate light humor like the word bonk. *shrug* I don't think it would've gone over well (okay, so it didn't either way) if we called it getting Whipped.
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On the Problems with Charas: Like I said, the mods haven't really sat down recently to have a huge discussion on what's wrong with Charas and how it can be fixed - most of us have been here long enough to know what we all think about it. We have a decent idea of how things work and try to make them better, and if they don't work, we can try again. I hope at least the people of Charas can give us room to make a few mistakes - the internet isn't going to fall apart over a single bad decision.

I do believe there is a mindset in Charas that leads to a lot of the conflict that goes on, but when I DID try to change it, I was inadvertently practicing it myself. And, as much as I love being hypocritical, it wasn't getting me anywhere. There's better ways than shouting until your throat is hoarse.
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On Kijuki: I'd LOVE to be insulting here. Personally, I don't like him(you? I dunno if I should talk directly to you or not.), and I've been a dick to him before, sometimes when it was uncalled for. And it does add a bit of a bias onto what I say, but I can't help it. A few times I've seen him having a debate or argument with another mod and not been able to really see what he was arguing about. I'm sure he has a great opinion, but the way he states it is wrong.

There's certainly reasons behind what he does, as he does have a functioning brain, but I just think he should look past those and present what he thinks in a clear, concise way, directly to the moderator team, either in the form of a PM or to be passed onto the private forums - not to hide his views so much as to not fill Charas up with everyone else's opinion on what he has to say - his problems lie with the mods, and I believe we should be able to discuss with ourselves and with him what they are and whether they should be honored or not.
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On Mod Elections: Oh, those were fun. Terrible and badly executed, but fun. They were popularity contests, not contests of skill. Much like real political elections (At least in America), popularity has outgrown skill and policy. Do not fret, though - when a position is open and should be filled, it is usually the ones people think should be in there that are considered - we aren't just sitting in a smokey office pulling in random people, we're a part of the community too, and try to have a general idea of who's likeable, who might have the skill, and who might be fit to be a mod. Certainly, if a position is open, suggestions are welcome, but as of now, I don't think mod elections are a really good idea.
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On Charas Facism: You want facist? See the rest of the internet. Charas is anarchy compared to most normal forums. The only people to have ever been permabanned so far have all done so by either spamming, breaking the forum, or being an extreme troll. Any other forum already has temp-ban features built in, not to mention far great usage of bans and IP bans, as well as other forms of punishment, including limiting the number of posts and topics you can make or restricting your access to certain parts of the site.

Alex is very kind to pay for the webspace Charas uses, but as such it is his property. We post here by his grace and good will. We are required to follow his rules, and he appointed people like Sai because he trusted them and gave them the authority to make and enforce these rules.

Complaining about an unfair rule is one thing - we allow and attempt to (and many times fail) to encourage sensible input. Course, sometimes this doesn't work and a user might get angry or offended and start making a big deal out of things - I've done it SEVERAL times before, and probably will make the same mistake again. But you've got to realize that accusing Charas mods of being control freaks is not only uncalled for, but it's really inappropriate - we're all guests here, and going crazy go nuts it's like a little kid crying in the candy shop - we're so lucky to have the generators and these forums, and we return the favor by acting unsensibly.
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I've gone soft being a mod. Bleh.  

[I Have a Sandwich]

I actually read that whole thing. I never read your long winded posts. But I think its a good idea of a sort of 'tap on the shoulder' thing, let someone know they went to far, but I think threatening with a 3-day bonk still needs to be different.

Maybe if someone started to go a bit too far they could get a little 'tap' bonk, lettin em know to maybe back up a lil, and would include a link to the thread so they could understand exactly what post prompted the bonk. I say this because threatening a ban for posting pretty much harmless posts is a bit much.

However, if they said something like "You mother f***ers think you stopped me? You dumb **** sucking ***holes can't do **** to me. **** f***ers." they would get a more severe ban threatening bonk, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MOD/ADMIN NAME. That way warning wouldn't rely on PMing.

That may all be a bit scrambled, I'm kinda tired right now. But I hope its clear enough to get the jist of it.

[Drace]

Ain't I allowed to sleep without something happening? Damn you guys, every single time.

And "getting bonked" sounds so good when Mid sends one.

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

I agree with sandwhich.

It isnt as much that this system is going to do [much] wrong. This system is for the better, i think thats all in hand. But i think the aninomosity thing could've been better, as well as the name. The reason you are warning is not because someone is making something funny, but because it's they are doing something wrong, and a warning comes to play. Bonk makes me think of a rubber hammer from animaniacs, please, it's, um, not cool lol. Neither is whipping. Warning sounds more profitable and more efficient.

Problems with charas people know about that.

People hating me, we know that too.

Mod elections, didn't work.

Facism? Nah don't know about fascism. ANd I dont know what you are talking about other forums, this one has seem tighter than others. But ok, i am not gonna  argue that point, since it only seems to spark the thought that I am trying to become an evil overlord.

It all sounded like some political talk (fixed to appease the mind), but at least the misleadings are recognized.

[Shady Ultima]

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

How about... for bonks directed towards senior members, such as IHAS, MIC, myself, etc (sorry to everyone I left out), the mod must leave their name. For a new member, it is not quite as important seeing as new members don't know the mods as well?

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich
Then add names to it, and make it a fail proof warn! How hard is that to come up with! Put name, reason, examples, and behavior to correct IN A POLITE MANNER BEFITTING OF A MOD, not in a snide or rude manner

I agree with this completely

[Razor]

God damn you people.
Just because I get up one day, go into the city in the morning, then spend the night at a friends house, have a busy day, and don't come back to Charas til night, does not mean you can make a 7 page thread filled with fire and burning.
Jesus.

[MrMister]

I'm glad everyone has their problems sorted out.. kind of.
I wish this hadn't turned into one of those conversations where everyone starts begging to be a mod. Those really get me down. Because, when I ask for mod, I just look like a big noob too.

Razor: nou