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[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Spike21
... Science doesn't really take faith. Evolution does... So you say you believe in mutation. Over 80% of mutations are somatic and most are harm full. Lets say fruit flys for example, a fruit fly with 4 wings is worse of than one with 2. Because the 2 extra wings aren't attached to a muscle so they dissable it to fly.

As with any example of evolution, the key is fitting the surroundings. A 4 winged fly might be weighed down, but what if we applyed a changed to the enviroment?
What if there was a predator, say a lizard, that ate fly wings, one at a time? The two winged flys would be at a disadvantage because once one wing was gone, they would not be able to fly, but the 4 winged ones would have at least some advantage because there would be a 1 in 2 chance that the lizard would snap up a wing that was useless anyway, giving the fly time to escape.
I just made that up off the top of my head, but you can see how it would favour the the survival and subsequent reproduction of 4-winged flys, thus causing them to slowly become the dominant flys.

[Spike21]

But a fly with 4 wings is nearly completely imobile. And if the fly reproduced the little fly babys would only have 2 wings because the mutation is somatic.

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Spike21
But a fly with 4 wings is nearly completely imobile. And if the fly reproduced the little fly babys would only have 2 wings because the mutation is somatic.

Well, okay, but it still works as an example.

But in all honesty, one would expect harmful mutations to vastly outweigh good ones. Evolution doesn't know what will be good and what won't- it's random- and there are more ways to make an unsuccessful living being than there are to make a successful one, if you see what I'm saying. Having said that, "harmful" in this context is relative, its all about the enviroment, dawg.

[Spike21]

true. But some mutations are deadly or are harmful in any enviorment. But it would take a really long time for one organism to have a helpful genetic mutation multiple times to change to another organism.

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Spike21
true. But some mutations are deadly or are harmful in any enviorment. But it would take a really long time for one organism to have a helpful genetic mutation multiple times to change to another organism.

Exactly right! Any evolutionary biologist would agree with you. But over millions of years, these small probabilities become almost inevitable.

[Moosetroop11]

Red and Spike both have a point. Buut, I think evolution is the most realistic option we have, and due to a lot of evidence, I'm inclined to believe it.

It seems this planet is full of astonishing coincidences. We're incredibly lucky to even exist.

[Daetyrnis]

Originally posted by Spike21
true. But some mutations are deadly or are harmful in any enviorment. But it would take a really long time for one organism to have a helpful genetic mutation multiple times to change to another organism.

Yes, it takes a long time, try a few million years.  That's why you don't see evolution, you have to compare a species to itself millions of years ago to see the picture.

[Daetyrnis]

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
It seems this planet is full of astonishing coincidences. We're incredibly lucky to even exist.

Yep.  And there is a simple way that scientists explain it (at least, to the question of the chance that us humans resulted from evolution):

"If we weren't here, we couldn't ask the question."

[Spike21]

Then were are the fossils of the middle creatures. And why do all the fossils like apear at once?

[Razor]

Originally posted by Kinslayer
Razor, Osmose, you can keep trying making fun of Dominicy

We stopped making fun of him a while ago. Now we're just tackling the blatantly wrong things.

And by wrong things, I don't mean his religious beliefs, I mean "Where does water go once it is evapourated" and the like.


edit: OLOLOLOLO I MOCK YOUR SLOW POSTING SPEED MOOSETROOP
MOOOOOOCK

[Moosetroop11]

0_o they don't. They're in different layers of rock that can be dated to show when the creature died.

If you mean why were they all dug up now, it's just that we didn't really know they were there. We started finding fossilised remains in the victorian times or something, I think.

EDIT: I'm talking to Spike. Curse your quick post Razorrrr

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
It seems this planet is full of astonishing coincidences. We're incredibly lucky to even exist.

Indeed, who knows what tiny changes in enviroment could have fired our ancestry on a different trajectory?

Then were are the fossils of the middle creatures. And why do all the fossils like apear at once?

There are many, many transitional fossils, but you have to understand that there will always be gaps. 99.99% of creatures don't fossilize, strict conditions need to be met. In order to have a fossil history completely void of "missing links" we would need to have the fossil of every creature that had ever existed.

[aboutasoandthis]

When exactly is a person considered brainwashed when it comes to Christianity?

It was in the newspaper a couple months ago that a Bible Camp was brainwashing children (Or was it Fox News, I can't remember).

[charaman]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6182248473879202794&q=jesus+camp

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
When exactly is a person considered brainwashed when it comes to Christianity?

It was in the newspaper a couple months ago that a Bible Camp was brainwashing children (Or was it Fox News, I can't remember).

It's pretty easy to Brainwash children. Fear is a very powerful way to control them.

As to when an adult is brainwashed... I'd say when they are willing to be a Martyr.