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[Dominicy]

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Razor
A YEAR DUDE. Chuck Norris stopped being funny A WHOLE YEAR AGO.

Thanks for the backseat mod, bro

Rule 613: No chux norrix

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that's a stupid rule. >.<

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Dominicy

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Razor
A YEAR DUDE. Chuck Norris stopped being funny A WHOLE YEAR AGO.

Thanks for the backseat mod, bro

Rule 613: No chux norrix

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that's a stupid rule. >.<[/B]

You're a stupid person. Don't question the management.
And talk about God.

[Ben]

My belief is that god is completly in agreance with MM.

Chuck norris has no place in this thread.

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by gemini
My belief is that god is completly in agreance with MM.

Chuck norris has no place in this thread.

true, but regardless....eh screw it.  chuck norris is a washed up fruit anyway.  

[Kinslayer]

You heretics! How dare you doubt of Chucknorrisism!!!!

[Red Giant]

If God is omnipotent and omniscient and has a plan, then at the very beggining of creation he would have known everything that would happen in the future. Is it possible then, to go against God's will, because surely he would have forseen your actions?

[redwallmax]

God knows what your going to do and when your going to do it but he also knows what he wants you to do and trys to lead you to do the right thing but thats where free will comes in. You have the choice to go against Gods will but it isnt always gods will. And he knows you go against his will but it is his will sometimes to go against his will.  So the answer in short is yes but he always knows what you are going to do.

[Moosetroop11]

Originally posted by Dominicy

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Only christian band I like is Muse.

And Redwall, people like you are the reason it's worth christianity existing.

and I used to think you were one of the better mods.  pppfff, not much after that comment though.   [/B]

...0_o?

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by Moosetroop11

Originally posted by Dominicy

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Only christian band I like is Muse.

And Redwall, people like you are the reason it's worth christianity existing.

and I used to think you were one of the better mods.  pppfff, not much after that comment though.   [/B]

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you said that they're the only reason christians are worth existing!  suddenly my entire image of you is shattered into amillionbillion little mooselet troops.

[Daetyrnis]

Originally posted by Dominicy

Originally posted by Moosetroop11

Originally posted by Dominicy

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
Only christian band I like is Muse.

And Redwall, people like you are the reason it's worth christianity existing.

and I used to think you were one of the better mods.  pppfff, not much after that comment though.   [/B]

...0_o?[/B]

you said that they're the only reason christians are worth existing!  suddenly my entire image of you is shattered into amillionbillion little mooselet troops.[/B]

No, he said that people like redwallmax, the one with the sad story, are the reason that Christianity exists, not some band.

[Moosetroop11]

Well don't you think that's the most important thing about Christianity? Comfort? So many people are kept going by their faith. In that way christianity is helping people. Isn't that what it should be about?

What, you're going to tell me that the greatest thing about christianity is learning about Cain and Abel and not going to hell? Surely you value human lives over that stuff.

EDIT: Oops, he was still talking about Muse?? XDD Thanks rotd

[Daetyrnis]

Originally posted by redwallmax
God knows what your going to do and when your going to do it but he also knows what he wants you to do and trys to lead you to do the right thing but thats where free will comes in. You have the choice to go against Gods will but it isnt always gods will. And he knows you go against his will but it is his will sometimes to go against his will.  So the answer in short is yes but he always knows what you are going to do.

So you're saying

-God knows what you will do.
-God knows when you will do it.
-God knows what he wants you to do.
-God tries to make you do it.
-You can go against God's will, but what you think is God's will  (which you are going against) isn't always God's will.
-You going against what you think is God's will is in fact, God's will.

Couldn't you have just said "No, because what you may think is going against God's will is already foreseen and thus not against His will."?

Meh.
 

Originally posted by Red Giant
If God is omnipotent and omniscient and has a plan, then at the very beggining of creation he would have known everything that would happen in the future. Is it possible then, to go against God's will, because surely he would have forseen your actions?

If that was the case, then everyone has a set path (or destiny) that they follow.  Thus no one would actually have free will, so it would be impossible to go against God's will.

 

Originally posted by Moosetroop11Oops, he was still talking about Muse?? XDD Thanks rotd

No problem.

[MrMister]

Red, He created free will. I guess He knew that freedom would be more important to us than happiness.

Somewhat relevant:

John 8:30-36 Such power attended our Lord's words, that many were convinced, and professed to believe in him. He encouraged them to attend his teaching, rely on his promises, and obey his commands, notwithstanding all temptations to evil. Thus doing, they would be his disciples truly; and by the teaching of his word and Spirit, they would learn where their hope and strength lay. Christ spoke of spiritual liberty; but carnal hearts feel no other grievances than those that molest the body, and distress their worldly affairs. Talk to them of their liberty and property, tell them of waste committed upon their lands, or damage done to their houses, and they understand you very well; but speak of the bondage of sin, captivity to Satan, and liberty by Christ; tell of wrong done to their precious souls, and the hazard of their eternal welfare, then you bring strange things to their ears. Jesus plainly reminded them, that the man who practised any sin, was, in fact, a slave to that sin, which was the case with most of them. Christ in the gospel offers us freedom, he has power to do this, and those whom Christ makes free are really so. But often we see persons disputing about liberty of every kind, while they are slaves to some sinful lust.

[Red XIII]

To me, it's like a game of chess. Sometimes you know what the other guy is going to do, but doesn't mean you make him do it.

The thing is that God allows evil, even though is not his wish. Why could that be?
Well, if I knew, I would be writing a book instead of talking to you guys.

I think that is the price that had to be paid for our free will... but who knows.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Let me pull back out the clock maker analogy. When he makes a clock, he knows that it will have 60 ticks to move the hand a minute, and it will have to make 3600 ticks to make an hour. He knows this is how it will work. He doesn't, however, know what problems may sporadically appear to cause it to run differently. God knows what we will do, and he knows what will happen, he just doesn't know what we will do individually to cause it to change. But these are all minor events, they don't change the big picture.