Charas-Project
Off-Topic => All of all! => Topic started by: forgetaboutit on February 27, 2009, 06:08:54 PM
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You know, there are some boards here. Its not like people even use them anymore. Shouldn't them be deleted or at least hidden from public?
Some of these boards are:
SEER (Grandagora is long gone and that board is useless)
Unmod (Its not like there's anything useful in there. Hiding it from members could be a nice idea)
Community Contest Team
Charas Project Official Magazine Team
BETA TESTERS
Midi Creators
Character Creators
The last 3 are inactive teams. Every one in a while, a newb asks them for requests. Hiding or deleting them would be a good way to stop that from happening.
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I agree with this sentiment mostly.
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I bitched about it for a long time and was told no, since it ain't bothering anyone.
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We got rid of the front page stickers from All of All because we bitched about it.
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Charas is like a family of rednecks that keeps every single useless trinket it ever comes across.
These things will never be moved, deleted, hidden or otherwise
Sanctuary could pretty much be eliminated too. Lets face it...a forum troll is not an H bomb and we dont need a bomb shelter
Unmod should be deleted, so that it is forgotten
Seer....yes...should be gone, but is not
As for what mid said...I have to disagree witht he reply she was given
Because it bothers me. And a few other members. And confuses New members, and ASKS for necroposts from ignorant newbies.
Because it makes us seem more active then we are.
Because its like keeping garbage from a year ago in your living room
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I agree.
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I do not see why we should remove the boards. Instead, sort them into a seperately viewable parent board. This moves them out of the way, yet keeps them for reference and "historical" purposes.
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I do not see why we should remove the boards. Instead, sort them into a seperately viewable parent board. This moves them out of the way, yet keeps them for reference and "historical" purposes.
You mean.....like the junk bin?
Maybe i should have clarified....
by removing, i mean moving to the junk bin.
Almost nothing is ever deleted.
I think for reference, things should be moved to the junk bin, and perhaps adding a post or length of registration req. to view this junk bin.
I think inactive teams should be moved there.
I think inactive everything should be.
And if not the junk bin, it would take all of 2 minutes to create an "Archive"
and all of a million years to move everything there.
However, it also only takes a few minutes for an admin to tell the SMF to move inactive, nonstickied topics to "Archive" after X amount of inactivity
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Make an Archive subforum and put them all in there, perma-locked but viewable.
I'm no admin, but surely that wouldn't take long to do.
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I'm voting for the Archive
It sounds like a good idea
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Yeah, Charas could use a bit of tidying up. It's too bad we don't really focus on much of anything round here or else some of those teams might still be active and there may even be new teams.
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Drag, just to shed some light...
it would take just under a minute to do.
and then a bunch of minutes distributed among the current mods to move the topics to the forum.
Also: A criteria would have to be put out to avoid BAAAAAW when old threads were archived
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For me, charas is: AoA and Creative Arts. I never even visit the other boards...I agree with the elimination of the useless ones.
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... *stabs Gemmie*
Read clearly, I bitched about it for a long time.
I was told no, because it wasn't bothering anyone.
That doesn't mean I was happy with that. In fact, I offered a solution to take away some of the less active boards and add new and fun boards to catch people's attention. Osmose shot me down, and I was told "we aren't turning this into a starcarft forum!" or some crap.
I'd bitch his ear off some more but he'd busy having a social life (yay) and I'm half asleep at the moment.
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Mid, I didnt say i disagreed with you, read clearly
i said i disagreed with the answer you got. Meaning i agree with you. And I disagree with them
I can understand not wanting to lock, or delete the topics,
but an archive subforum could be made, and if for some reason it was necroposted in, it wouldnt show up in the ten-lastest-topics feed
to at least clean uo the place a bit....and stuff
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OR we could leave them all alone seeing as how they aren't bothering anyone...
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If nothing else it will be there so we can cherish past conversations. lol
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they would still be there for viewing
in an archive thread.
Like the ones found on many other forums, message boards, and their kin
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I don't mind them being there but they are pretty useless. Replacing them like Mid said sounds like a good idea.
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Why in blazes are you people so interested in change?
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Why in blazes are you people so interested in change?
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc225/feedyourwall/obama_shep_print_final2.jpg)
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Yes but I thought we were full of racists who hate black people and Obama.
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Yes but I thought we were full of racists who hate black people and Obama.
I see what you did there.
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Yes but I thought we were full of racists who hate black people and Obama.
I hate neither. I do, however, need change. The bus ride isn't free, after all.
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Oboma is the da man, yo. But change on charas is unforgivable.
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They've been there so long. Forums change all the time, why is Charas is soooo slooooooowwwwww.......
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We have lazy admins! Razor is so inactive! =O
But... I figured we could have more interesting and fun boards, like a sub forum for debating and **** instead of throwing it in the all and all.
Plus... I ain't spending all day moving topics =D
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There's a big difference between "lazy" and "too preoccupied with Team Fortress 2 to prepare the next Mayor thingy".
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We could also demote inactive Mods. And by inactive, I mean those who's last visit are like 2-3 years ago, such ads GPI and Grandragora.
I know it's all for respect because they helped Charas development a whole lot... but they aren't active anymore.
It's like giving power to death people. Imagine if Abraham Lincoln still had power because he was respected and all. That would be somewhat strange and useless, eh?
I know it's not such a big annoyance, but again, if Lincoln still had power, it wouldn't be such an annoyance either... but still be pointless.
There could be a page about all the Moderators and Administrators that were on Charas explaining all the work they did and how they've helped improving Charas, I don't know... but they should be demoted.
That's just my opinion.
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There's a big difference between "lazy" and "too preoccupied with Team Fortress 2 to prepare the next Mayor thingy".
This is truth.
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There could be a page about all the Moderators and Administrators that were on Charas explaining all the work they did and how they've helped improving Charas, I don't know... but they should be demoted.
Sounds to me like we may need to update the wiki a bunch
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the best part about this is.....if this all were to go through, in a few months you would all start a campaign to complain about the mods being too strict about archiving threads.
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the best part about this is.....if this all were to go through, in a few months you would all start a campaign to complain about the mods being too strict about archiving threads.
Holy **** that is so true.
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the best part about this is.....if this all were to go through, in a few months you would all start a campaign to complain about the mods being too strict about archiving threads.
Actually, I would probably not complain. I'm probably one of the few, if not the only one who never complained about the Mods being too strict. Even when carmen and GhostClown were modding.
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I'm all for archiving. I haven't deleted a file off my computer since I got it.
I was even pissed that one time Sai'Kar deleted his threads for some reason.
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He was emo and wanted to disappear from histooooory! *echos*
Also, we can't demote those people because Alex asked us not too and that was one of his wishes we must respect!
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I agree with keeping the honoured mods the way they are. What if you helped build a forum and then came back, 8 years later, to find yourself powerless and forgotten on your own site?
I agree with the archive thing, although I don't want threads to disappear after a week or even a month. I reckon we should have a one year automatic junk. All topics are automatically moved to the junk bin after one year. (That is, if this forum's technology allows that to be achieved easily.) That'd mean that truly ancient dusty threads are locked away but all the threads you remember from the last few months would still be there. I'd hate charas to become the sort of place where you come back to your thread after a month's inactivity or something and find that it's already been moved...
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I agree with keeping the honoured mods the way they are. What if you helped build a forum and then came back, 8 years later, to find yourself powerless and forgotten on your own site?
Well, if I left a forum for 8 years, I'd expect to be demoted.
But if they were to be demoted, there could be some pages somewhere on Charas talking about what they did to help the forum. Honestly, I don't even know what they did for Charas, and seeing them as Mods still don't give me any clues about their work. However, if there was to be articles about them, I could actually learn how they helped Charas development.
But well, if it was Alex's wish to leave them as Mods, I guess we should leave them as Mods.
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They basically helped build the site from stratch and were the first staff evah who forced Alex to become the admin of charas... or something like that.
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MT, it can be done, but I dont think we should do that. Donno, some threads are still useful after one year withouth posting and locking them would make them go away, like, tutorials and stuff.
What about excluding stickys?
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The "old forgotten" mods have no power anyways. Dont get your panties in a knot. They deserve a staff spot, because they are development staff. They have no power to come back and baleet your naruto fan sprites, or the shitty midi you made for redarrow316. Shut up, the owner of the site wants them to be staff...so they shall remain staff.
If they deserved to not be staff for any reason, they wouldnt be. Plain and simple. This is proven by my status. I was an inactive admin, and i came back and laid the banhammer on a new member for breaking rules. And was demoted for it.
Id say six months of dormacy would be sufficient for archiving.
Id say keep it unlocked in the archive for an additional 6 months or so before permalocking.
Id say it would be wise to start a thread for petitions. Like "Somebody archive this....its epic" "This archived thread deserves to be in the junk bin, not the archives" or "Can we unlock this archived thread" etc.
but then again......Im no admin
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I thought you quit being an admin due to personal reasons like not having time and requested your demotion o.0
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I've sent a PM to Alex regarding the inactive Mods and also talked about a "Charas Memorials" in which we would have articles talking about past and current Moderators and Administrators, like what they did for the forum and such.
First, I'd like to mention his approval concerning the Demoting of inactive Mods.
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"Yes, in past i asked to keep them as Moderators.
But it's also true Charas changed a lot since those "ancient" times.
On my side, it's around 2 years i have no direct contacts with them as well.
So, at this point, also demoting should be done without regrets, i think.
They are part of Charas history, so a "Charas Memorials" is surealy a better place to remember them, now."
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Second, as you can see, he also agrees with a "Charas Memorials"
However, although I've got a "yes" from Alex, I need the opinion of the community. So far, I've got three "no", but two of them mentions Alex's wish for them to remain Mods, which now changed.
So, do you agree with the demoting of the inactive Moderators?
The reasons:
-It makes the Moderation team seems more inactive than it actually is
-It could be confusing for new comers, to think they are still active
-Having inactive Moderators is just pointless
Concerning the "Charas Memorials", we would need people to actually work on this, because personally, I don't know much about past Moderators. We would also need an actual name, unless you think Charas Memorials is fine.
But then again, I need the opinion of the community.
Would you agree with a Charas Memorials? In this, we would talk about past and present Moderators, like how they helped, when they became Mods, how long they stayed, etc. However, as I mentioned, we'd need people to work on it, people who knows enough about past Moderators.
The reasons:
-Learn more about Charas History
-You will actually know who the past Moderators were, and what they did. Them being staff doesn't explain much. Well, not at all...
Let's clean the place a bit. The useless boards and inactive Mods. We can't always go "Oh they don't bother anyone, let them be"
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The memorials sound like a good idea
I won't be able to help much, because I think I'm the newest consistently active member, and thus have only seen a small part of Charas history, but it does sound like it'd be a good move
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Good to me.
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Mid, thats why i requested to not be an admin, correct.
I was kept on as an inactive admin until I Banned some douche for requesting the same thing in like, 3 topics. That is neither here nor there.
Cerberus, Why wouldnt you send the PM to Osmose? Or razor? You know, the two active admins.
Alex has pretty much left things in the hands of the admins, and you going over their heads is a little vaginal.
I dont know who made you a staff member all of a sudden.
I mean, the guy has other things to do...Youre just pretty much asking the guy to change his mind about something he has already decided upon. The Honorary staff members are just that. They have a coloured name, and a staff title. Im not sure what you are all trying to accomplish, as this issue with inactive staff has been brought up before, and to the best of my knowledge, was resolved.
The Staff members you are trying to demot have no real administrative power here.
If seen the mod/Gmod/admin controll panel, and seen the list of people that can access it, and just to quell your collective girlypantysucktardness, there is no threat of Grandragora coming along on a whim and slapping you with a three day ban.
There is no chance of Sai-kar coming along and locking your topics. There is no chance of Gemini changing your signatures to images of goatse with NOM NOM NOM macros splayed across them. You get the idea im sure
TL:DR what are you bitching about? the honorary staff arent even really staff. they just have coloured names and can see the staff forum. STFU FGTS
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Chillax, bro. I don't think he was being all disrespectful and shiz.
I mean Alex would know more about what Alex wants regarding stuff.
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true enough. i may have sounded douchier then intended
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To answer your question, gemini, the reason I sent the PM to Alex instead of Razor or Osmose is because I've been told that one of the reason we couldn't demote inactive Mods was because it was Alex's wish to leave their Mod status. I'm not afraid of them coming back and deleting threads or banning people, not at all.
They still show up on the main page as if they were active Mods. It's also quite pointless to have inactive Mods. It's mostly to "clean" the place.
You know, if there is a way for them to stay Mods but not show up on the main page, it would work just fine.
It makes the Moderation team seems more inactive than it actually is. Even YOU came to agree with this.
I agree with this beyond a percentile figure.
Its confusing to the newbies.
A memorial is nice. Perhaps a Custom rank would be swell.
But all of these inactive mods...it makes the handfull of mods that ARE still active look worse just by association.
http://www.charas-project.net/forum/index.php?topic=23468.msg257697#msg257697
That's all.
Oh and by the way:
I dont know who made you a staff member all of a sudden.
If that was meant for me; I'm not part of the staff.
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Dude! Gemmie you're wrong. For New Years, Harvey and myself turned the forum pink.
Best ****ing three hours ever!
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We would also need an actual name, unless you think Charas Memorials is fine.
Charas Hall of Fame.
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I strongly approve of keeping the old mods like GPI and Grandragora as official mods. Even if Alex said that it would be okay to demod them, I know Alex enough to know that he was just being Alex. Alex is a very acomdating guy if you make reasonable requests to him. However, while there is no need to keep them as mods, there is also no need to remove them. In the end Alex and I believe in respect to those that have done well, and a good way to show respect is to not complain about meaningless change. Or is anyone going to suggest that we de-admin Alex since he doesn't do his job anymore? I think not.
The memorial is an okay idea, but there's no reason not to do the memorial AND have them keep their mod status.
However, I am okay with getting rid of unused useless forums, even "historic" ones. Unlike old mods, the old forums confuse and distract newbies who think that they can post in those forums and get some sort of reply from a group that hasn't been in existance for two or more years. Since the main function of the forums is to facilitate communication, things that get in the way of that should be removed.
Dude! Gemmie you're wrong. For New Years, Harvey and myself turned the forum pink.
Best ****ing three hours ever!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/SaiKar/PinkCharas.png)
I can't "prove" this isn't just an easily-edited shot, but screw all y'all, Mid and I know it's real. Incidentally, this is also how I lost my admin powers. :(
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Well I don't mind if they stay Moderators. I'd just like if they could not show on the main page as if they were still active.
Alex doesn't show on the main page as being active. SMB, GPI, Grandragora and De KoFfie, however, do.
That's the only thing that actually bug me.
And of course, if they are kept as Moderators, that doesn't mean the memorial can't be made. Just need someone to work on it, though.
So concerning the Moderator, again, if there is a way for them to keep their rank, but not show on the main page as being active, it's all fine.
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I strongly approve of keeping the old mods like GPI and Grandragora as official mods. Even if Alex said that it would be okay to demod them, I know Alex enough to know that he was just being Alex. Alex is a very acomdating guy if you make reasonable requests to him. However, while there is no need to keep them as mods, there is also no need to remove them. In the end Alex and I believe in respect to those that have done well, and a good way to show respect is to not complain about meaningless change. Or is anyone going to suggest that we de-admin Alex since he doesn't do his job anymore? I think not.
The memorial is an okay idea, but there's no reason not to do the memorial AND have them keep their mod status.
However, I am okay with getting rid of unused useless forums, even "historic" ones. Unlike old mods, the old forums confuse and distract newbies who think that they can post in those forums and get some sort of reply from a group that hasn't been in existance for two or more years. Since the main function of the forums is to facilitate communication, things that get in the way of that should be removed.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/SaiKar/PinkCharas.png)
I can't "prove" this isn't just an easily-edited shot, but screw all y'all, Mid and I know it's real. Incidentally, this is also how I lost my admin powers. :(
>Netscape
see THAT'S why you lost your admin powers. Netscape? Geez
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Uh, I think it's time to show myself again, for one second.
Saikar is right about me being an acomdating guy.
However, as i'm no more active part of these forums, i didn't knew various things i read here.
For example, the fact that old mods has no power left.
Also, i have to add that mods as SMB... never wanted to be a mod, because he does not speak english at all!
But he helped a lot with the charas generators, which are the base of this all. When we made the forum, i simply made him mod as a sign of respect.
In other words, SMB never acted as a mod.
I know 90% of actual users can't even imagine how charas was before. For all of you, there's a small text i wrote some time ago, you can find it here:
http://www.charas-project.net/forum/index.php?topic=21184.0
Now, back on subject.
When i replied to Cerebus i also added few extra lines i'd like to share:
Maybe this could be used to start working again on the Charas WIKI: there are already chronicles there, and also some history.
If someone will work directly on that, also by using the "charas before charas" text i linked to you as reference, the memorials thing may also be used as a way to ping the wiki itself a bit more.
I still think mixing all these elements may be a nice way out.
SaiKar wrote a nice "History of Charas" in the wiki, and i also remember some similar threads in the forum too (probably from Gary).
The Wiki thing seems now a bit abandoned: but if i have to think at a place for Memorials, i can't tell if i would prefer the forum or the wiki.
At the end, it would be nice to have all historical things in the same place, or at least reachable from a single place.
In there i would group all of this: the history of charas, memorials of our old heroes, "epic threads"...
For example, i someway miss a place where to see all the fun and creative banners users made when the first charas elections took place.
I remember so many fun stuffs around the forums in those days!!!
That's what i am talking about, at the end.
Dead mods, old threads, unused boards, historical stuffs, funny periods reporting... That's what the "Charas Memorials" should be IMHO.
Also a place where new users can read and learn what Charas was, how we evolved, what our true spirit is.
And naturally, everone who would like to become a Mod will have to pass an quick test with questions about our history! :)
About demodding old mods, some final words: if they no more have powers, i have to say again they should not be demoted (sorry Cerebus).
I understand this may cause confusion to some members, but as SaiKar said well, "we do believe in respect to those that have done well".
As it seems there's no real "power related" reason to remove them, i too do not see any reason to remove them.
Charas may be different now from the old days, but those old days and those peoples are the ones who made possible all of this to born and grow.
As i myslef am no more that active, i don't see why new members should know i exist and not know about our old glory.
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No disagreements here.
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Do you know how awesome it is for me to say something like that and then have Alex show up (hi, Alex!) and say he agrees with most everything I said? Man, you guys wish you could do that sort of thing!
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*humps Alex*
Alex, I believe he's trying to say that they should keep their status but be removed from the main forum page. Like... taking out the quicklinks to their names or something.
I personally don't care either way, but omg nice seeing you!
Dude, even though you're all 'I got a life nao, lulz' you should still say hii to us! With love, the longest lasting female member next to Sai'kar! <3
*flees*
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i love alex
im not even just saying that
he just said everthing so god damn eloquently
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With love, the longest lasting female member next to Sai'kar! <3
Zing!
Sorta...
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I do!
Yes, it's exactly as Midnight said. I would actually simply like if they would not show on the main page.
For example, SMB is still shown as the Moderator of Resources and Requests. That's the only thing.
I don't mind them being Moderators. Just them being shown as active since, well, they aren't.
Sorry for not adding the Charas Wiki part from your reply, Alex. To be honest, I'm not even sure why I haven't added it on my post.
I guess working on the Wiki and adding a link to it on Charas could be a good idea, instead of the actual Memorials I proposed.
So well, concerning the inactive Moderators's name on the main page, I'm apparently the only one who cares about it, so I guess there is nothing to do about it. To be honest, I would've liked a good reason as to why we should not change this, though. Oh well... I guess it's the usual "It doesn't bother anyone."
Anyway, since no one agrees with me, I'll just leave this place... Hahaha! No... I'm joking, sorry.
So well, I guess we should start working on the Wiki, then.
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I think it's because... in a way, it's like a memorial in it self? Like their spots make them meaningful and show that they were a part of the beginning of Charas? Or something cheesy like that.