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TESTING & WELCOME BOARD => Test & welcome board => Topic started by: Dragoon de Sol on May 16, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
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Hello to all who remember me.
If you all will turn back the clocks, I left last time because a comic was made to insult me and my highly critical behavior. Well, in the time I've been gone, I've learned a great deal about myself and have improved in areas such as story telling and spriting.
I've got a girlfriend now, too, so she's helped me calm down a good deal. We're actually coming up on out anniversary pretty soon.
I'm also still very critical, but now I'm more secure in it, where as next time a comic is made of me giving the artist critique for the bad drawings, odds are I'll probably agree with the comic version of me ^_^
But I'm not without understanding. If it's someone's first game, they're generally trying and accepting peoples critique, then I can be understanding. trymaker is not doing that, so I'm being very cynical and critical. I'm currently working on a game similar to Golden Sun, as it has to do with different characters having different elements and some other little things in the battle system I'm looking forward to trying out.
So hey all. The Dragoon is back.
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Wazzup guy!
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Great!
(Almost) Every returner is appreciated.
Welcome back!
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Hey, welcome back.
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I MISSED YOU SO ****ing MUCH!
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I would appreciate if you censored your signature a little. My girlfriend is black.
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He shouldn't have to. It's a quote, and is a quote is censored, then that's just highlighting what's wrong with the offending word. Also, if your girlfriend was an intelligent person, she wouldn't give two shits if some random yahoo on the internet (of all places) used a slur in any way. Hell, she wouldn't care if some random yahoo used it in real life (and particularly if they weren't using it to refer to her), so mind that gap, please.
Oh, and welcome back. :flower:
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I remember that quote. I was manly enough to write it down, and won't take it back.
EDIT: Seriously, though, I'm just being a prick for the sake of it. If it means so much to people, I take that back.
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Welcome back, Jar Jar Binks.
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Welcome back. And YAY! I'm not Jar Jar Binks!
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Thanks for making me look like less of an ***hole.
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Not less of an ***hole, Deth. Just less of one compared to me. You'll still be the same ***hole. I'm a bigger one.
And I find it offensive because it's a racial slur meant to speak ill of black people. And while it may be freedom of speech, it's also been said that freedom of speech is not applicable when speech is found offensive to someone for one reason or another.
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Not less of an ***hole, Deth. Just less of one compared to me. You'll still be the same ***hole. I'm a bigger one.
And I find it offensive because it's a racial slur meant to speak ill of black people. And while it may be freedom of speech, it's also been said that freedom of speech is not applicable when speech is found offensive to someone for one reason or another.
That's right. Hate those Americunts whose mantra is freedom of speech. Independently-run institutions such as forums, like Charas, do not guarantee that.
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Welcome back. This is probably an awkward time to ask, but can I get a link to this comic? I bet it's hi-larious.
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And I find it offensive because it's a racial slur meant to speak ill of black people. And while it may be freedom of speech, it's also been said that freedom of speech is not applicable when speech is found offensive to someone for one reason or another.
Care to tell me who the target of that word is?
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You don't understand the context behind it. It was a long discussion of a book with a racist front cover.
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You don't understand the context behind it. It was a long discussion of a book with a racist front cover.
N*gger wasn't considered a racist word at the time, actually.
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But really. No one should get offended by anything. It's like getting offended for being called a n00b, or American.
As cynical as it may sound. I bet 100% that your girlfriend is not a slave. So she shouldn't be offended.
Discussing the front cover of a book and quoting the post shouldn't be seen in an offensive way.
I'd agree if it was something like "Damn them niggers on my property" or "Hang them niggers". But that wuote have pretty little to do with black people. Really.
It's like asking me to censor "fag" in my sig. It's not about a homosexual person after all.
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Hang them niggers
Anyone in need of a sig quote?
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I don't believe the word "n*gger* is racist. It's a slur, but it just refers to them being black. The book that I started the discussion for in question was "Ten Little Niggers," which refers to the ten African tribal figurines that disappear throughout the story.
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Anyone in need of a sig quote?
Drats.
And I guess n*gger is seen as a bit racist for some.
The word for referring poeple as black was (and still is I guess) Negro, which is Spanish for black or something.
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Well it's viewed as a racist word since racists have been the people who have made that word into what it is today.
While the quote in Zuhane's sig there might seem promoting of racism, it's really just saying the publisher of that book (and/or author) had BALLS to do something like that. Which if you think about it, they didn't really, because back then it was no big deal.
In that story the titular niggers in question were in a poem about I guess 10 little black kids who died in various ways. (None of them were lynched by shaven white men dressed like ghosts.)
I'm not sure where I was going with this. I really shouldn't write replies to controversy when I wake up in the morning
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I disagree with most of you. That word is offensive because of the extensive history behind it. It became a slur in the days of slavery, and it's still a slur today. The fact that is doesn't offend you is irrelevant; it offends somebody. And if you can make the tiny sacrifice not to use it and therefore avoid making Dragoon's girlfriend feel unwelcome, you should do the decent thing.
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I refuse to change my sig for the pure irony of it.
I disagree with most of you. That word is offensive because of the extensive history behind it. It became a slur in the days of slavery, and it's still a slur today. The fact that is doesn't offend you is irrelevant; it offends somebody. And if you can make the tiny sacrifice not to use it and therefore avoid making Dragoon's girlfriend feel unwelcome, you should do the decent thing.
You seem shocked. Oh wait, your eyes are always like that.
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I'd like to point out to anyone who misconstrued my words, I do think that the word in question is offensive. I hate the word, and I never use it. However, I don't get pissy when someone uses it, no matter what the circumstance. Sure it's a word that, while originally having a more benign meaning, has taken on a more malicious definition, but like all words, it only actually has power if you let it.
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I'd like to point out to anyone who misconstrued my words, I do think that the word in question is offensive. I hate the word, and I never use it. However, I don't get pissy when someone uses it, no matter what the circumstance. Sure it's a word that, while originally having a more benign meaning, has taken on a more malicious definition, but like all words, it only actually has power if you let it.
Just like Voldemort amirite?
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I'd like to point out to anyone who misconstrued my words, I do think that the word in question is offensive. I hate the word, and I never use it. However, I don't get pissy when someone uses it, no matter what the circumstance. Sure it's a word that, while originally having a more benign meaning, has taken on a more malicious definition, but like all words, it only actually has power if you let it.
I'm assuming you're speaking as a white person who isn't actually affected by the word.
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I disagree with most of you. That word is offensive because of the extensive history behind it. It became a slur in the days of slavery, and it's still a slur today. The fact that is doesn't offend you is irrelevant; it offends somebody. And if you can make the tiny sacrifice not to use it and therefore avoid making Dragoon's girlfriend feel unwelcome, you should do the decent thing.
I'm assuming you're speaking as a white person who isn't actually affected by the word.
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Funny how we sort of came back at the same time, huh? :P
Welcome back! I do have to apologize that. It was rather uncharacteristic of me to do something like that. I was probably having a bad day and doing something stupid to feel better or something like that. No hard feelings! :)
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I'm assuming you're speaking as a white person who isn't actually affected by the word.
Speaking as a Mexican who's called a spic from time to time, actually.
I cry myself to sleep every time I hear that horrible word.
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Um...welcome back man :P
Weird conversation change *coughs*
Continue, all
*runs away*
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I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, Dedlelly.
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Usually when someone quotes your post without adding any additional posts like an idiot, they're an idiot.
Also, they're agreeing with you. Usually, that is.
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Well, he quoted two quotes of mine as if he were pretending one was responding to the other, I assume implying that I'm a hypocrite.
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I disagree with most of you. That word is offensive because of the extensive history behind it. It became a slur in the days of slavery, and it's still a slur today. The fact that is doesn't offend you is irrelevant; it offends somebody. And if you can make the tiny sacrifice not to use it and therefore avoid making Dragoon's girlfriend feel unwelcome, you should do the decent thing.
I like black people. No, wait, that was wrong. I like people, regardless of skin.
In fact, I am deeply offended by you all implying I'm racist.
Also, I just feel like pointing out that "Negro" is actually the nice way of calling black people black around here, whereas "Preto" (black) is considered offensive.
Of course, there are the bitchy ones that are offended if we say expressions like "The future looks bright", or "Clear as water" because "Bright" and "Clear" may remind you of the color white, and therefore using them in an expression to make something seem better will by contrast make the color black seem evil. Those kind of people are paranoid.
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Welcome back, Jar Jar Binks.
methinks mes a liking this brrr Mr jar jar binks
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hello purrson I never knew
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Anyone in need of a sig quote?
He actually does! I'm crying with laughter!
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Of course, there are the bitchy ones that are offended if we say expressions like "The future looks bright", or "Clear as water" because "Bright" and "Clear" may remind you of the color white, and therefore using them in an expression to make something seem better will by contrast make the color black seem evil. Those kind of people are paranoid.
i love you.
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Well, he quoted two quotes of mine as if he were pretending one was responding to the other, I assume implying that I'm a hypocrite.
I was.
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Oi, I wish I hadn't mentioned it. Nevermind everyone. Thanks for the welcomes.
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Well, consider it a test of your patience. You may now enter.
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Thank God we're the internet. Regular folk can't get away with this kind of awesome.
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A test of my patience? Seemed more a show of everyone's ignorance.
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consider it
Treat it as such. I wasn't saying that was the intention.
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A test of my patience? Seemed more a show of everyone's ignorance.
Thank God we're the internet. Regular folk can't get away with this kind of awesome.
Need I go on? No.
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I agree with Archem 1000% here. Words only have power if you let them. I come from a variety of nationalities, and live a large portion of my life in Mexico, where I have family, including a half-Mexican little sister who I am very close to. Anybody could call me a beaner, or anything else to that effect, and I'm still not automatically obligated or required to be offended.
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including a half-Mexican little sister who I am very close to.
HAVE YOU ST--nevermind.
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I was.
Aha! Well, your implication is flawed, on account that -- while I am a white person -- I'm not emphasizing my own opinion of the word, because my opinion on it is in fact irrelevant. Dragoon's girlfriend is the one who ostensibly claimed to be offended by it, and I'm defending her right, and the right of any other person who finds the word offensive, to browse the forum without feeling singled out or ostracized.
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And I am defending the right to use the word "nigger".
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You are indeed, but I am no hypocrite.
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To defend someone's rights is to have their opinion. So you are a hypocrite, by saying that Archem is saying something from a white's point of view.
To truly defend rights is to be neutral. To protest nothing.
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Thanks for making me look like less of an ***hole.
Hmm...for a while it appeared you actually cared...
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Hmm...for a while it appeared you actually cared...
I do. It's just that some people think I'm mean.
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Every now and then you get to that point
There is a fine line between bluntness and ***hole
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I admit I can be that way. But mostly I think I'm just blunt.
I hardly try to be mean, but I have the urge to educate people when they are wrong and to provide ample criticism. I don't really "rage" about opinions, though I do enjoy debate.
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*Still waiting for gift*
Erm... I suck at anything and everything art and this year, I suck at anything and everything creative. Maybe if you forget about it something will pop up. :P
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To defend someone's rights is to have their opinion. So you are a hypocrite, by saying that Archem is saying something from a white's point of view.
To truly defend rights is to be neutral. To protest nothing.
No, I'm saying Archem was talking about not being offended by the n-word from a non-black perspective, and whether or not he is offended by it is irrelevant. Just like whether or not I'm offended by it is irrelevant.
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I'm offended by it, okay, but it doesn'tmatter, because I hardly doubt anyone here has the decency to actually remove something they think is funny because it offends someone. That would make too much sense, be too nice, and prove they're a decent person.
This is the internet, and a gaming forum. Making sense, being nice, and being a decent person is more or less nonexistent.
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To be honest, I don't think something that offend 1 person out of the whole community should be removed.
There's no "make too much sense, be too nice, and prove they're a decent person".
If you're offended by it, then it's your problem. It's just about a book, it's not like it was actually meant for black people in that quote.
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No, I'm saying Archem was talking about not being offended by the n-word from a non-black perspective, and whether or not he is offended by it is irrelevant. Just like whether or not I'm offended by it is irrelevant.
Well, that's not quite what I meant. You make it sound as if I don't think the word is offensive. I do. I hate the word, but I feel that it's something to just ignore unless it's becoming an attack. Don't cry over spilled milk, etc. I also threw into the ring the closer to home version of the issue, with slurs that directly affect me. It's not that I refuse to accept the idea of an offensive word, but rather that I refuse to let it bother me enough to actually be offended. That's the best thing to do, because how can you receive grief over something that you don't let grief you?
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Dragoon's girlfriend is the one who ostensibly claimed to be offended by it, and I'm defending her right, and the right of any other person who finds the word offensive, to browse the forum without feeling singled out or ostracized.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, and there is a very large chance that I am indeed wrong, I may have missed something,
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regardless of how true or false any arguments in this thread have been so far, and this is the part I am pretty sure on, Dragoon's girlfriend HAS NOT BEEN OFFENDED. Because, she has not been here. This all started right here:
I would appreciate if you censored your signature a little. My girlfriend is black.
And I find it offensive because it's a racial slur meant to speak ill of black people. And while it may be freedom of speech, it's also been said that freedom of speech is not applicable when speech is found offensive to someone for one reason or another.
And if you can make the tiny sacrifice not to use it and therefore avoid making Dragoon's girlfriend feel unwelcome, you should do the decent thing.
Because I might have changed my opinion if this thread were offending a black person who is not a regular but who isn't tmerill.
And I don't want to seem like I'm trying to ARGUE AGAINST YOU AT EVERY POSSIBILITY
I just
I like being difficult
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I the only problem I have with the "n-word" is when Ibalck person says "Hey what's up (insert N-word here)?" nobody says antyhing, yet if I use it I'm automacticlty branded a racist. Which is funny because the person who's calling me a racist is the one who's descrimnatiing.
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Hahaaaaaaa.
Funny stuff
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Hahaaaaaaa.
Funny stuff
Just building up gold for your grand return, if you haven't already.
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Just building up gold for your grand return, if you haven't already.
....what? I do believe I am lost.
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There's directions on that wall over there.
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Take the right left it says. Does that mean take the correct left or the remaining right?
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I'm sure they're both the same.
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....what? I do believe I am lost.
My references are lost to you.