Cosmic Theories and Philosophies

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by Moosetroop11

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Originally posted by drenrin2120 Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant!

The people who say that aren't stupid, they merely don't believe in god, but do believe that a man named Jesus existed. It's a theory that Mary got raped, and didn't tell anyone. It all depends on how much you see as history and how much you see as religious myth.

True, I get what you're saying Moose, and jsut for the record. I wasn't calling anyone stupid. So hopefully no offense was taken.

What I meant to say was, I myself don't know exactly if I believe in god, but if he does exist, I understand that he'd be capable of anything. I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

[Black Massacre]

Originally posted by drenrin2120
I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

That'd be cool, i could bend woman to my will    .

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by Black Massacre

Oh god... FYI I'm a DUDE. lol

[I Have a Sandwich]

Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

[drenrin2120]

Well damn, why didn't some one tell me about this before I opened my mouth?

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by drenrin2120
Well damn, why didn't some one tell me about this before I opened my mouth?

Because no one else has the common sense to study something before they denounce and mock it XD

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich
Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

[Black Massacre]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Actually, it was an Angel.  

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God.

Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married.

Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different.

Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by drenrin2120

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Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married. Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it?

Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different.

Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

Maybe we dont in our society. Back then, it was perfectly acceptable to get married and have sex at 10. Maybe they had sex but Mary just hadn't gotten pregnant. How do you know God wouldn't pick two 'horny teens'? Are you telling me you have the ability to understand and comprehend the thoughts of God?

[DragonBlaze]

If Josheph and Mary did it before Josheph found out Mary was pregnate, then god wouldn't have sent the angel to tell Joseph that Mary didn't cheat on her. They didn't exactly have birth control back then. If Mary and Joseph did do something, and then Mary got pregnate, well I think Joseph would be smart enough to realize who
the father was. Just the fact that Joseph thought that Mary cheated on him pretty much puts away the "two horny teenager" theory.

[Zerlina]

Plus the fact that Mary was about 12 at the time and Joseph was much older.

By the way, IHAS, it was never proven whether Mary and Joseph had kids after. That's just one theory.

[I Have a Sandwich]

The problem is you guys are taking the word of the translated english bible as fact. Do you know how many inconsistencies there are within the bible not only due to the changing times and its original context, but because of the translation? Due to the fact that every word is not in every language, they often would make it "close enough". If you take every word of the bible as concrete fact, the entire idea of the bible itself would fall apart.

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich
The problem is you guys are taking the word of the translated english bible as fact. Do you know how many inconsistencies there are within the bible not only due to the changing times and its original context, but because of the translation? Due to the fact that every word is not in every language, they often would make it "close enough". If you take every word of the bible as concrete fact, the entire idea of the bible itself would fall apart.

Actually... Most of what I say comes right from the original version of the bible. My preacher always reads the 'untranslated' version of the bible before teaching on any particular passage. So if there is a word in the bible that wasn't translated good (love for example), we always get a lecture on what the words and such actually mean. Like there are 7 differant words for love in the untranslated version of the bible, and whenever 'love' comes up in a passage, our preacher usually defines which type it is and such. So pretty much everything I say here comes from a translated  version, but is backed by the untranslated version.

What you're trying to do is take one small part from some place, one small part from some other place, and try to put the two parts together to make it say what you want. Not taking the bible literally or whatever is fine, but if you want to back something up with the bible, you have to look at the whole bible, and not just the tiny bits and pieces that you want to look at.

A good example is this. Back in the old testiment, it was prophecied that jesus would die on a 'tree'. So if you just looked at the old testiment, you could say 'jesus died on a tree', and not really be wrong. However, if you looked at the whole bible you would realize that the word 'tree' refers to the cross. Likewise, if you look at the bible, whether the original version or some english version, you would realize that Mary was a virgin by our standerds when she gave birth to Jesus.