Holy CRAP

[plightofthepureblood]

Originally posted by Midnight
You didn't understand what I was sayin.. Before in topics like this, people complained that we were wasting money on keeping them alive. Money that could be spent on something useful.. Honestly, we're wasting money on killing them.. Like gawd.... Also, I wasn't trying to imply that every pro-death penalty person didn't care about an innocent person being killed, but do they do anything about it? Course not. Also, if we turn the other cheek least we can still see  :p .

I think, honestly united we fail..(not for every case tho) When we're together it's hard to think, people become a sort of mob.. Every single sensible thought is consumed by the one thought of blood. Public hanging? Like com'on, how does that sound? It's ok to hang someone in the public eye? Doesn't that make you just as bad as the person whose about to be hung? Oh wait, this is justified.. Who are we to say that killin another person is justified? It's in the bible.. it's in the law.. man, whatever. That's all bullshit that's been fed to us by society.  To hide what's really going on right before our very eyes.

There are people straving, and uncurable cures.. and yet everyone is havin an orgasim over someone's hanging. lawl.

Ive never agreed with you more, Mid. Rock on

[charaman]

I'll say it again. Murder is murder, no matter who sanctions it, no matter what the person did to "deserve" it. It's a punishment based on revenge, legitimized by the misinformed.



DEATH PENALTY SUPPORTERS ARE A BUNCH OF APES. It's a primal instinct that goes against the natural order.

[Osmose]

A good portion of the arguments presented here are based on the assumption that a public hanging would actually be a horrible thing.

Who's to say that the Iraqi public see a hanging as the same as lethal injection? They lived under Saddam's regime for so long that by comparison, hanging someone seems tame. To them, they're being just as morally right as we are when we use a lethal injection. Morals are relative, based on where you were raised.

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by charaman
I'll say it again. Murder is murder, no matter who sanctions it, no matter what the person did to "deserve" it. It's a punishment based on revenge, legitimized by the misinformed.



DEATH PENALTY SUPPORTERS ARE A BUNCH OF APES. It's a primal instinct that goes against the natural order.

Dude, stuff like that pisses me off. We're not apes, okay. You say murder is murder and we should value all life. I say you're wrong, some life has no value. Saddam's life has no value, a greedy man that killed other people? What value in life does he add up to? In what good way does he contribute to anything but himself? Why should anyone value a murderer's life? Death penalty can be a little barbaric. But it is not instinctual in any way. We don't randomly go around giving people the death penalty, people are issued the death penalty for horrible things THEY did.

Earlier, someone said that everyone has the ability to kill. I think it was Mid. You're right, anyone can pick up a knife and stab someone. And everyone thinks now and then "I hope that bitch dies slow." Or something to that effect. But how many people will carry those thoughts out? If a person carries out murder, it's still wrong. It doesn't matter that anyone is capable of it. ANYONE can go and rob a bank, does it mean they shouldn't deserve jail time just 'cuz EVERYONE has thought, "If only I could get away with stealing this."

[Cosmos]

Ok.. it's like that stupid pyramid thing they taught us in school. You know how we're at the top with the other lions and crap, where as the mice and bugs and what not are at the bottom.. Killing is wrong, or so I think.. but we're just like those animals we think are lower then us. We have the same urges, but unlike them we surpess them. They'll go off and kill those mice and what not on the lower field, but most of us don't. Damnit, that reminded me of chris rock's comment, that tiger didn't go crazy he went tiger. XD I love him.

I really don't think I made my point in this one... <.<;;

[Darkfox]

There are always people who think somthing is justified while others think it is not. Usually when sombody does somthing they usually justify themselves that it was the right thing to do even if it might have been wrong.

My thoughts are though... I don't really know for sure... but it is not my hand that pulls the rope. But hanging... is rather... barbaric. Next thing you know they'll bring back the guilitine.

Edit: Next thing you know they might go back to STONING. Dear Lord...

Edit 2: Somtimes it is so confusing to distinguish between right and wrong in these matters. But I do agree on the thing about hanging... not cool.

[Kinslayer]

People "deserving to live or not"... that's plain bullshit. You ain't better if you kill someone who did it before, you're just having a revenge. Man cannot be judges of man.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by Darkfox

My thoughts are though... I don't really know for sure... but it is not my hand that pulls the rope. But hanging... is rather... barbaric. Next thing you know they'll bring back the guilitine.

That reminded me of dracula for some reason XD

[Darkfox]

Originally posted by Midnight

quote:

Originally posted by Darkfox My thoughts are though... I don't really know for sure... but it is not my hand that pulls the rope. But hanging... is rather... barbaric. Next thing you know they'll bring back the guilitine.

That reminded me of dracula for some reason XD

Wasn't he beheaded or was he beheaded? Or was it the "Barbaric" line? XD I can't quite remember that. I know for a fact that stuff went on at that era.

[charaman]

Originally posted by drenrin2120

Death penalty can be a little barbaric. But it is not instinctual in any way. We don't randomly go around giving people the death penalty, people are issued the death penalty for horrible things THEY did.

What I mean is that it's a gut reaction when we hear of these atrocities to say "He should die" or suffer or something along those lines.

What you have to realize is, the death penalty doesn't just end the person's life. What of his family? I'm not well read on the situation to know about them, but it takes a son away from a mother, a brother away from a sister. A mother and sister likely innocent of a crime deserving such action. You can hate the action, and hell, even hate the person, but exact revenge? It's animal. The death penalty is not a penalty, per se, it is an end. The penalty is the hours leading up to it, which some have argued as "cruel and unusual" because its the most extreme form of mental torture. Imagine looking at a clock, and knowing the very second to your death. Many minds have snapped. Who are you to impose that on another?

Earlier, someone said that everyone has the ability to kill. I think it was Mid. You're right, anyone can pick up a knife and stab someone. And everyone thinks now and then "I hope that bitch dies slow." Or something to that effect. But how many people will carry those thoughts out? If a person carries out murder, it's still wrong. It doesn't matter that anyone is capable of it. ANYONE can go and rob a bank, does it mean they shouldn't deserve jail time just 'cuz EVERYONE has thought, "If only I could get away with stealing this."[/B]

As somewhat of a Chaote, I believe the world is only able to run due to self-imposed restrictions. We all have the ability to do EVERYTHING (as per my beliefs), but our society survives because we don't. We have to be above the blood lust, and punish him in a logical way.

The murder shouldn't kill, but we have the responsibility to resist that urge in their retribution.








^Kinslayer-> agree'd

[plightofthepureblood]

As for saddams family, Charaman, theyre all pretty much getting hung too.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

My opinion is this.

If you support somebody getting Hung, at this day in age.....
Maybe you should try breathing through you damned nose for a change.


You cant tell me there arent more human alternative. If you want him to suffer, let him stay in solitary. That will enforce much more wraith.
Hanging him......a death of that nature......


If he wasnt going to be a martyr before a sentencing like that......
then he surely will now.


Just my opinion.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by Darkfox
Wasn't he beheaded or was he beheaded? Or was it the "Barbaric" line? XD I can't quite remember that. I know for a fact that stuff went on at that era.

 

Vlad's body was decapitated by the Turks and his head was sent to Istanbul and preserved in honey, where the sultan had it displayed on a stake as proof that Kazıklı Bey was dead.

Oh wiki, thank you for informing us. lawl, Vlad the impaler.. awsome guy.

[Darkfox]

Ah! I knew I remembered somthing about Vlad suffering a decapitation.

[Cosmos]

I saw the movie, but that was years ago. <.<

[charaman]

Originally posted by plightofthepureblood
As for saddams family, Charaman, theyre all pretty much getting hung too.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

My opinion is this.

If you support somebody getting Hung, at this day in age.....
Maybe you should try breathing through you damned nose for a change.


You cant tell me there arent more human alternative. If you want him to suffer, let him stay in solitary. That will enforce much more wraith.
Hanging him......a death of that nature......


If he wasnt going to be a martyr before a sentencing like that......
then he surely will now.


Just my opinion.

I believe the United States has a few states where hanging is a legal option, or at least they did as of the 1990's.