Civil Rights Movement...

[Djanki]

Yar, ya'll don't know 'bout the Civil Rights fiasco in Puerto Rico.

Apparently, they're trying to pass a few laws in favor of the homosexual community in Puerto Rico (like letting them adopt kids). But some unseen, unknown (*ahem*--the religious) people are being brats about it.

I don't see the big deal, and you guys won't either, but keep in mind that this is Latin America--religion is uber-big over here. But I think this is pathetic. Let the gays have kids! What if your own son/daughters were gay? You'd hate them? That's just heartless.

I don't care if even they--the gays--think the Wii is gay (<_< >_>), I think it's about time they got their rights.

[Ben]

Yeah... this seems to be a hot topic all over the place

Im pretty pro gay rights.


A good parent is a good parent.

[MSlash67]

Im going to be honest on this subject, while I do think its ok for them to get kids so they can not only feel the responsiblity as being a parent in a normal relationship, they also provide homes to the children that were orphaned.

However, I am not in support of gays from being officially married. Maybe its the Redneck in me, but I dunno. Its not right.

[Ben]

Thats ridiculous. You cant honestly Support gays parenting, and Not support them from marrying. Thats like Saying "I support Vegetarianism, as Long as they dont eat vegetables." It would, in many governments be an impediment to not have the childrens adoptive parents married. Thats one of the silliest contradictions Ive heard.
Besides, If they pay taxes, what intrest is it to anyone else? If you are a Functional member of society, what business is it of anyone elses?

[MSlash67]

Originally posted by gemini
Thats ridiculous. You cant honestly Support gays parenting, and Not support them from marrying. Thats like Saying "I support Vegetarianism, as Long as they dont eat vegetables." It would, in many governments be an impediment to not have the childrens adoptive parents married. Thats one of the silliest contradictions Ive heard.
Besides, If they pay taxes, what intrest is it to anyone else? If you are a Functional member of society, what business is it of anyone elses?

What I said makes perfect sense really. There are plenty of parents out there who arent married. And Marriage is a vow between a man and woman, not man and man. God made adam and eve, not adam and steve.

[Ben]

OH THATS RIGHT! IT WAS EVE, NOT STEVE. SRRY.

nope. So the gay couple can ADOPT a child, but they cant SET AN EXAMPLE OF A STRUCTRED FAMILY LIFE IN A LEGALLY CORRECT ENVIRONS.


Whatever, man. Im going to rape you in the butt.

edit:
And yeah, there are plenty of non married families. And a great majority of them are disfuntional.


In alot of places you HAVE TO BE MARRIED to adopt.
So youre all for handing out Drivers liscences and forbidding Cars then....

[MSlash67]

Ok man, dont take this out of hand, k?

All Im saying is that in my opinion its ok for them to be parents to children, but not legally be spouses. If you dont like what Im saying, dont listen to me then.

[charaman]

Originally posted by MSlash67

God made adam and eve, not adam and steve.

lets take this to unmod, hillbilly.

[Razor]

You weren't there when it happened.

[drenrin2120]

The problem with gay marriage is marriage is a religious thing, even though most people get married just to be married and for love and all that, not so much because of religion and all that anymore. Which puts gay people in a tight spot. I don't think it's right they're being denied marriage just because they're homosexual but then again, it's not my religion, so who am I to tell the catholics and christians how to operate it? Even though it's obvious anti-gay marriage protests are fueled by hate and masked by 'what the bible says'.

[Ben]

If Djanki is down for a  move to unmod, Ill gladly relocate it.But its here. And as such, it stays.


Mslash, Im not taking it out of hand. Its a debate man. I happend to have strong feelings on the Subject. If you cant hadle having your argument shredded, dont post adam and steve crap.



That, and, well.....Im gay. And Im going to rape your butt.


EDIT: Dren, I agree with your statement about marrage being a religous thing.
Sure, A "christian' marrage could be ruled out. But Marrage is also a LEGAL entity.
And Denying a legal marrage to somebody because of sexual orientation, is denying them legal rights and responsibilities. Aside from goldigging anna-nicoles, there are actual reasons nuptual laws exist. Mostly for Financial Security, and things like that. So to deny a legal marrage to a gay person is to deny them legal rights.
And that, has NOTHING to do with religon.

[charaman]

Originally posted by drenrin2120
The problem with gay marriage is marriage is a religious thing, even though most people get married just to be married and for love and all that, not so much because of religion and all that anymore. Which puts gay people in a tight spot. I don't think it's right they're being denied marriage just because they're homosexual but then again, it's not my religion, so who am I to tell the catholics and christians how to operate it? Even though it's obvious anti-gay marriage protests are fueled by hate and masked by 'what the bible says'.

iit was a strictly religious thing, but now its become a government institution. because of the "separation of church and state," you can not use christian principles as a means of excluding others from a governmental privilige.

[aboutasoandthis]

Remember, I have a Lesbian aunt (who unfortunately is raising her daughter by herself. The actual mother/carrier kind of left. I never liked her anyway.) I love her to death, I see her all the time, and chances are she'll take me in if anything happens to my parents. I think my dad made her my godmother or something.

I think they should be allowed to get married. The problem to me comes from when you're denying a male/female influence in the family for sex. With her, she tries to expose her daughter to a male influence as much as possible. My dad loves his sister and he does help raise the daughter.

  Originally posted by charaman
Originally posted by drenrin2120  

The problem with gay marriage is marriage is a religious thing, even though most people get married just to be married and for love and all that, not so much because of religion and all that anymore. Which puts gay people in a tight spot. I don't think it's right they're being denied marriage just because they're homosexual but then again, it's not my religion, so who am I to tell the catholics and christians how to operate it? Even though it's obvious anti-gay marriage protests are fueled by hate and masked by 'what the bible says'.

 

iit was a strictly religious thing, but now its become a government institution. because of the "separation of church and state," you can not use christian principles as a means of excluding others from a governmental privilige.

I'm kinda iffy on this part. Marriage did exist before Christianity. At least I think it did, and in other parts of the world. But (coming from a Christian himself) Christians rule the world. In fact, I've only really met one aethiest in real life other than people on the internet. I've got some Muslim, Buddist, and Hindu friends but that's about it.

And by the way, I don't exactly know how my aunt managed claim, but she is the legal guardian of the girl. I might ask about it later.

[drenrin2120]

I thought it might have been seperated but I wasn't sure, so I stated what I knew for sure was true. The fact remains the only reason to deny them marriage is hate and/or religious beliefs. Now that I know that it HAS been seperated from the church and people can be married through the state it only makes it worse for those who want to deny gay peoples' marriage rights.

[Osmose]

You're totally proving yourself to be a serious, passionate person debating the topic by telling him you're going to rape him in the butt.

Marriage become a legal matter instead of a religious matter the moment benefits were given to spouses. The problem here is exclusion in the public arena - if the Catholic church won't marry a gay couple, that is perfectly fine for the Catholic church. But when they deny them the ability to marry legally, that is public segregation. It's similar to telling a black person they cannot own property because they are black - not so long ago it was thought that they were inferior, just as now it's thought that gay people are unnatural.

Your personal feelings of whether gay people are wrong or not are your own feelings, and no one has the right to tell you that you can't have that opinion. However, at the same time, you do not have the right to impose your opinion over someone else in a way that denies them something like legal marriage. Unless religion is publicly accepted as a factor of government, an acknowledged as such, it amounts to hypocrisy.

Let them be married. Let them have kids. Hate them all you want, but let them have the rights that every human being deserves, otherwise you're just another intolerant Christian using religion as a weapon against others.

By the way, I was raised Catholic and never did I read or hear anything in the Bible that said, "Gay people are wrong." I'm still wondering where people get that idea. It's like saying that it's wrong to eat sandwiches because originally humans didn't eat them.