Do you think the Staff is to strict

[Ben]

I dont get mad about jokes against white dudes either.
But I do think its shitty that if I were to say on TV "You know, Im really proud to be a white german-candian man" I would get bashed for being a neo-nazi.

People would probably overlook that whole "Berlin wall coming down thing" Back in 89
And im sure they would not think to mention the "Protestant and catholic canadian priests housing escaped slave to seek refuge and find their place in a savge new continent" thing

Whereas a black dude can say "Im proud to be a nigga these days" and the association is somehow linked with Mr Martin Luther King.....when he just used an N-bomb and finished joking about black-on-black violence.

There are many Native canadians here. They for some reason get treaty cheques and bursaries to go to university....despite having lived outside of a reservation for 5-6 generations. For some reason there are still reservations, where tax laws are absent. Where federal laws are exempt. where common goods dont have the same federal sales taxes. I am a seventh generation Canadian. My family helped colonize the candian prairies. We lived in holes under the ground and lived off of a couple of chickens and potatoes.

There is just a huge double standard is all, and it bothers me.

I think the first big step in creating an equal playing field in a society is eliminating terms like `minority group`
because believe it or not, giving special treatments to one minority over another,or even all minorities over one majority, creates more minorities out of the majorities.

Its easy to call white people a majority. But HARK....women are somehow a minority now...50% of the whites are women....and are a minority now....but the men are not. But wait wait....gay rights (which I am a firm believer in) so 10% of white men are gay. Another minority.
Now,if youll look, I have created a Minority out of straight white men. Dosent compute.

Ill be straight up here...Im a schizophrenic, bisexual, canadian white male. Where the hell is my special treatment? Where is my university money? Where is my billion dollar lawsuit? Its lost in the wake of a few hundred thousand minority groups all trying to take advantage of a delicate situation

[Grandy]

I dont get mad about jokes against white dudes either.
But I do think its shitty that if I were to say on TV "You know, Im really proud to be a white german-candian man" I would get bashed for being a neo-nazi.

People would probably overlook that whole "Berlin wall coming down thing" Back in 89
And im sure they would not think to mention the "Protestant and catholic canadian priests housing escaped slave to seek refuge and find their place in a savge new continent" thing

Whereas a black dude can say "Im proud to be a nigga these days" and the association is somehow linked with Mr Martin Luther King.....when he just used an N-bomb and finished joking about black-on-black violence.

There are many Native canadians here. They for some reason get treaty cheques and bursaries to go to university....despite having lived outside of a reservation for 5-6 generations. For some reason there are still reservations, where tax laws are absent. Where federal laws are exempt. where common goods dont have the same federal sales taxes. I am a seventh generation Canadian. My family helped colonize the candian prairies. We lived in holes under the ground and lived off of a couple of chickens and potatoes.

There is just a huge double standard is all, and it bothers me.

I think the first big step in creating an equal playing field in a society is eliminating terms like `minority group`
because believe it or not, giving special treatments to one minority over another,or even all minorities over one majority, creates more minorities out of the majorities.

Its easy to call white people a majority. But HARK....women are somehow a minority now...50% of the whites are women....and are a minority now....but the men are not. But wait wait....gay rights (which I am a firm believer in) so 10% of white men are gay. Another minority.
Now,if youll look, I have created a Minority out of straight white men. Dosent compute.

Ill be straight up here...Im a schizophrenic, bisexual, canadian white male. Where the hell is my special treatment? Where is my university money? Where is my billion dollar lawsuit? Its lost in the wake of a few hundred thousand minority groups all trying to take advantage of a delicate situation

In other words, you do think the staff is too strict, don't you?

*sips guaranį soda*

[Ben]

yes...

[DedlellyDeth]

I'm not racist or sexist or any kind of -ist, but the liberal media pisses me off with all of these rights marches and crap. I'm a eugenicist, so I think that disabled people should be killed as a catalyzed natural selection, just like Hitler, however, so you have something to hate me for. I'm a very cold and calculating person.

*sips guaranį soda*

Have you tried BAWLS, Grandy? It's really good, and it has Guarana in it.

[Grandy]

We don't have Bawls over he- oh wait is that supposed to be one of those innuendo things where you get people to say they don't have "balls"?

[DedlellyDeth]

We don't have Bawls over he- oh wait is that supposed to be one of those innuendo things where you get people to say they don't have "balls"?

No, it's not. I didn't think of that, actually. BAWLS is like beer for nerds.

[Valiere]

I don't like black-power or brown-power or girl-power or male pride either. I'd rather everyone take pride in who they are as a person and what they can do than their skin color or chromosome.

And for the record...Dr. King made some undeniable contributions but was hardly a flawless figure. His bio is peppered with plagiarism, racy remarks, infidelity, and violence. The Straight Dope has a page on it, and it can be trusted since Cecil is about as liberal as you can get.

As for the special treatments...Yeah, it's vexing if a black or Hispanic minority gets accepted to a college over me if I'm more qualified. That would chap my hide to be sure. But the bulk of minorities receive no such special treatment, and while I can't really know about the prevalence of this, I'm sure they all have a bit of discrimination to reckon with.

And I'm still waiting for my special treatment.

[Prpl_Mage]

I live in Sweden.
We all love each other.
We all leach on the government.
We all like to be sick enough to stay home form work.
Immigrants usually don't get further than 9th grade.

[Cosmos]

Well it's a quota (sp?) that schools, companies & ect have to reach. They need a certain amount of minorities/co-ed to work there or whatever. Why? Because they'd rather not be called racists or sexists.

It's how the world is now <<

[Ben]

See, this is exactly where Im coming from.
Encouraging one minority to partake in a special pride inducing ceremony like a Black/gay/protruding neck mole parade is counter productive.
I can get down with things like "Black history week"  And if they were to have it "Gay history week" but it has to be presented in an unbiassed manner, which is rarely is ever presented in.

Part of the reason for many hate crimes today, is because of the fact that the minorites feel they should be treated differently from others BECAUSE of the differences, rather then being treated equally despite the difference.

Homophobes get insecure because gay men march down main streets wearing G-strings.
Recording artists glorify sexual solicitation, and the selling of addictive narcotics, and expect people to accept it as part of their culture.
Etc etc

People seem to want to  perpetuate sterotypes rather then focusing on real issues like  civil rights and societal progression.

And then, when its all said and done, for some reason, certain groups are permitted to feel "more proud" then others.

Perhaps the attention could be put on relavent matters like stopping urban violence among blacks resulting from a shifty poverty line and police discrimination. Or tax paying, societally benificial male couples not being allowed to contribute to society as a legally married familial unit, that work full time jobs and do more good for the human race then unemployed trailer-park-types that figure a magical bearded man is going to take favour for them over gays because his dad watches EVERYTHING THEY DO.

Its little things like this that breed intolerance, and set the human race two steps back fro every step we collectivly take forward.




Holy crap, this is possibly the most articulate charas conversation this year

[Prpl_Mage]

Well it's a quota (sp?) that schools, companies & ect have to reach. They need a certain amount of minorities/co-ed to work there or whatever. Why? Because they'd rather not be called racists or sexists.

It's how the world is now <<

"Government decides to have 25% women working. It's a big leap from the 4% currently working there and therefore many males will have to quit."

Things like those defies the reason. You'll give women jobs because they are women, not becasue they are good at what they do.
Just an example of course. Same goes for minorities.

[Cerebus]

You know what's unfair?

If a black guy commit a crime against white people, it's a simple crime.
If a white guy commit a crime against black people, it's racist.
If a black officer shot a white criminal, it's not such a big deal.
If a white guy shoot a black guy, it's racist.

An example of this was when some white officer shot down an immigrant (forgot his nationality) in Montral, some days after, a whole lot of immigrants from there "protested" and began smashing police cars, store windows (as well as robbing the stores) set fire in the streets, etc.
I wonder if the same thing would've happen if it was the other way around. Probably not.

Also, I like how a thread about Charas' staff strictness turned to a discussion about racism and such.

[DedlellyDeth]

You know what's unfair?

If a black guy commit a crime against white people, it's a simple crime.
If a white guy commit a crime against black people, it's racist.
If a black officer shot a white criminal, it's not such a big deal.
If a white guy shoot a black guy, it's racist.

An example of this was when some white officer shot down an immigrant (forgot his nationality) in Montral, some days after, a whole lot of immigrants from there "protested" and began smashing police cars, store windows (as well as robbing the stores) set fire in the streets, etc.
I wonder if the same thing would've happen if it was the other way around. Probably not.

Also, I like how a thread about Charas' staff strictness turned to a discussion about racism and such.

Yeah. The white suburban Protestant middle-class is so much discriminated against! I think it's best not to give minorities special treatment, because it's racist or sexist or whatever-ist to even see them as different. Just as two wrongs don't make a right, two discriminations don't make an equality.

[Cosmos]

Well it's true. <<...

And it's usually ignorant people who abuse the hate crime call. I mean, yeah there are actual cases where a hate crime is involved but not all the time.

[DedlellyDeth]

Well it's true. <<...

And it's usually ignorant people who abuse the hate crime call. I mean, yeah there are actual cases where a hate crime is involved but not all the time.

Isn't the concept of hate crime against laws regarding freedom of thought in many countries?