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[Razor]

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Razor
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You haven't provided any points to support your conclusions.
And Mohammad is a prophet, not a God; so yes, he existed.[/B]

I'm not going to go into the whole thing. They were mainly attacks on Christianity, a lot of which made sense.
This thread isn't about attacking Christians. It will be in about 5 pages, but not now.

[Glitch]

Personally I'm a Christian, I was raised that way, but ultimately it was my decision to stay a Christian when I became a teenager. I have my own reasons for staying one, suffice it to say that after everything I've seen, felt, and been through I'm 100% confident that God does exist.

I'm not your typical crazy religious fanatic though. I don't brow beat people and tell them they're going to hell, if your an atheist that's fine, I'll talk to you, tell you why I believe the way I do, but I won't try and force it on you.  I also don't think it's wrong to smoke, drink, or swear, I just choose not to.

Also, I agree that the Catholic church is steeped too far into Corruption. It's my opinion that when a church has it's own government and politics that it leads to bad things. And I really hate the idea that a bunch of old men that have probably had sex with alter boys can sit around and vote on who the "holiest man on earth is" or decide who is a saint and just vote someone into Godly powers.

meh. That's my thoughs, and I'm sticking to them.

[oooog]

I'm not really anything.  I believe it's nice to believe in something, because then you wonder why you're even here, which is very annoying.  I do think it's silly that all these wars and debates are existing solely because of religion.  If there is a god, or perhaps gods, then I bet they're really pissed at us.

[ImmortalDreamer]

Originally posted by Razor
I have read a LOT of arguments on the matter. I've basically come to a few conclusions.

1. There is no God. How time and the universe started we may never know, but a super powered entity seems unlikely.

2. If there is a God, there is no Hell. Under the circumstances that he made us all, he also made aethiests, muslims, jews, Hitler etc. I think that, if we die and God exists, we all go to Heaven. Even Hitler, Osama, Saddam, that guy who threw rocks at you in the car park. All of them.

3. God isn't all forgiving, he's actually a giant arsehole and pretty much no matter what you do, you're going to Hell with everyone else.

Since I'm really hoping its not the latter, or even the second one.
Heaven scares me. You die, you go there. For eternity. That's a long time. That's a verrrry long time. If you get sick of that, you can choose to be reborn again AND HAVE YOUR MEMORY REMOVED. All your loved ones you may never encounter again. Who's to say the mother you love in this life will be the same one in the next? It's pretty twisted.

And what about all the other religions? What if God doesn't exist, but Mohammed does? Or Horus(/Ra)? Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster (dumbest. Thing. Ever. But it does prove its point).

You contradict yourself in 2 and 3. In 2, you state there is no hell, you in 3, you say we're all going to the hell you just stated doesn't exist.

Way to pull a Marilyn Manson.

And in case anyone cares. I'm a christian. Although I hate denominations. As far as I'm concerned, "christian" does not have to mean catholic, baptist or whatever. Christian just means you believe Jesus was the son of God. As its been stated before, many denominations are too corrupt nowadays.

[Djanki]

I'm agnostic. Quote:
 

The Bible didn't arrive by fax from heaven.

If I believe in God, and don't do harm to others, then I'm doing as He intended, right? Better than shunning and demoralizing those who don't share my beliefs...

[Red Giant]

Hey Raze, read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins? You'd probably appreciate it. It was the last thing I read (That wasn't a ditzy teen horror. Like zomg were teenagers and zomg scary stuff is happening when all we want to do is drugs and sex. Seriously maybe if your characters weren't such hedonistic egotists I would be less emotionally invested the killer, teen horror genre!)

EDIT: And your bit about ressurection was splendid. I've argued with a few believers for the position that- were I ressurected with my memory erased- it wouldn't really be "me". Totall Recall has a nice scene to show this kind of thinking.

EDIT2: GIT YO *** TO MARS

[Meiscool-2]

Agnostic (sp?)

I think something had to make us, but now he's dead or something.

[Razor]

Originally posted by ImmortalDreamer
You contradict yourself in 2 and 3. In 2, you state there is no hell, you in 3, you say we're all going to the hell you just stated doesn't exist.

They're my 3 possibilities. Neither of them co-exist in the same universe sort of thing.

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by Meiscool
Agnostic (sp?)

I think something had to make us, but now he's dead or something.

you can't kill divinity.  you can kill people, you can kill plants, you can kill animals, you can kill PLANETS (that one's pretty easy *leans back and stares at imaginary factory spewing smoke everywhere*) you can kill anything, but you can't kill the divine.

sure, jesus died, but because he wanted to to save us from our sin.

this goes to everyone here.

[Razor]

My friend Friedrich Nietzsche disagrees entirely.

[Revolution911]

I think there is a god, but all religons based on him are bullshit.

[charaman]

I'm a thelemite/hindu, (by choice, I was raised Catholic)

God is in and is everything.

[Moosetroop11]

I'm kinda annoyed at the people who are saying "I hate the people who say they're atheist because it's cool". If you weren't an atheist, you wouldn't say you were, you wouldn't denounce your own religion. If you are an atheist, the why not say you are?

I think what you're seeing is an increase in atheists as people generally become less ignorant. And PLEASE note that I'm not calling christians ignorant, I';m just saying that now, people can make up their own minds.

I myself used to believe in only two things: that infinity can't exist, and that energy can't be created from nothing. About a year ago I realised that if those two things were true, the universe could not exist. Now I'm lost, but I could never bring myself to believe in a religion.

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Moosetroop11
I'm kinda annoyed at the people who are saying "I hate the people who say they're atheist because it's cool". If you weren't an atheist, you wouldn't say you were, you wouldn't denounce your own religion. If you are an atheist, the why not say you are?

Indeed. Atheists have plenty of reason to pretend to be religious- to fit in with their family or social circles- and would of course, in their minds, have nothing to lose (Bar their integrity). On the other hand, I doubt a religious person would feign atheism at the cost of their soul.
While atheism may well be the "in" thing, and may indeed be affecting people's level of display/confidence regarding their atheism, in their minds, I don't think much will have changed.

EDIT: Indeed, for the longest time, atheism has been a taboo (And still is in many places) but with the general opinion shifting towards acceptance, one can expect the number of (admitted) atheists to rise.
Unfortunately, for many youths, it is the hardest closet of all to come out of. It's hard to tell your parents that your beliefs condemn you to hell, by their beliefs. If I thought my children (Had I any) were going to be tortured for all eternity, I would do anything I could to prevent it from happening, and I imagine that it would be an extremely saddening experience to believe that it would.

[Revolution911]

I hate seeing an atheist goth kid with an article of clothing that says 666. How hypocritical can you get.

Anyway, people arent getting less ignorant. Just the entire internet population has been atheist since Bill Gates popped out of his mommies vagina.

And you dont need to confine yourself to a religon to believe in god. But I do agree with you on alot of things.