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[redwallmax]

the only reason Adam/ eve ate the fruit was because temptation was brought into the garden by the snake/the devil  the reason they were so quick to eat was because they had never seen or come across evil before. But as for Hitler i was just giving an example of a horrible person having the chance to be forgiven im not saying hes in Heaven.
 

[Drace]

Originally posted by redwallmax
the only reason Adam/ eve ate the fruit was because temptation was brought into the garden by the snake/the devil  the reason they were so quick to eat was because they had never seen or come across evil before.
 

If they were perfect, they should've resist temptation.

[Tomi]

Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

[Red XIII]

Originally posted by Drace
Fact: Hitler died for his sins.

Belief: That's right, but he is also going to burn forever for them.



To Redwall: I still don't see why should God not save a good person who didn't believe in him, or believed in him in a different way (For example, a jewish, muslim or hindu (Sorry if mispelt) person). The Catholic church didn't have a declaration on this on the early middle age.
I don't remember well, but I think that the "No-salvation-outside-church" thing was oficially installed in one of those Councils the church held during its early times (When the Pope wasn't so powerful but was only the bishop of Rome), and its objective was to finish europe's convertion to christianity, and to fight the Islam too (Not sure about this last part. I'm going Wikipedia later about this).

Also, man-before-the-fruit wasn't perfect (God is perfect. Man is not and that cannot change), but "inocent". Adam and Eve followed God's law/way until they ate the fruit.

NOTE: I don't take that story literally, but simbolically. I just wanted to make that clear.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Tomi
Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

She should have been in the kitchen where she belonged instead of dooming mankind.

[Red XIII]

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Tomi
Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

She should have been in the kitchen where she belonged instead of dooming mankind.[/B]

XD






Really.
XD

[Tomi]

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Tomi
Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

She should have been in the kitchen where she belonged instead of dooming mankind.[/B]

True dat.

[Spike21]

Originally posted by Tomi
Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

Acually Adam was with Eve when she took the food and he also took some. God cursed the serpent, Eve, and Adam.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by Tomi
Adam and Eve were not perfect.  They never said they were. *its a story, by the way*

Also notice its the woman's fault for all the worlds sin.  Adam probably didn't let Eve drive then either.

She should have been in the kitchen where she belonged instead of dooming mankind.[/B]

I shall make a temple in your name!!!!!


Seriously...

Redwall, if God doesn't save people who don't believe in Him that have acted in a good way, then He's just being selfish. Then he wouldn't be love, as christians say.

It seems that I believe in a different God than yours.

[Spike21]

^
Define good?

[Razor]

Originally posted by Spike21
^
Define good?

Little Jimmy is a nonbeliever. He thinks Christ did not exist.
He donates millions to charity every year. He also helps the homeless by buying them houses and getting them jobs. Every week he saves cute little animals from the pound and finds them homes.

Probably something on those lines.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by Spike21
^
Define good?

Little Jimmy is a nonbeliever. He thinks Christ did not exist.
He donates millions to charity every year. He also helps the homeless by buying them houses and getting them jobs. Every week he saves cute little animals from the pound and finds them homes.

Probably something on those lines.[/B]

Thanks Razor ^^ that'd be pretty much it.



Remeber this: most southamerican dictators were CLOSELY related to Church. Those guys killed thousands of people. Are they going to Heaven just because they were Christians or Catholics? Same goes to Inquisition.

Then, you have Mahatma Gandhi, who did great things by using peace, but didn't believe in the God that christians believed in. He's going to Hell because of that?

[Glitch]

You're acts don't get you into heaven, or keep you out of heaven. The only thing that determines that is wheter or not you accepted jesus. Now, it does say in the bible that your acts are what determines the crowns you receive when in heaven, (it's somewhere in there, I don't recall where) crowns are like your rewards for doing good. I think you are rewarded better in heaven for doing good, but that's not what determines if you get there. That's the beauty of eternal forgivness/salvation, if you screw up in life you don't spend eternity paying for it. All you gotta do is make one right decision.

Call it hypocritical all you want, but you can't blame God for wanting a little love, acceptance, and respect from the people's he created. It's one of those, if you don't want him, he doesn't want you things.


Also, never assume that simply because someone is in the church that they are these mega holy beings who speak for God. Just being in the church does not guarantee you will get into heaven.

[Razor]

I don't like Heaven's system. It seems... crooked.
I think I'm better off choosing one of those other godlike entities.

Also, unless my sources are incorrect, Hitler (I broke Godwin's Law long ago in this thread) was a Christian. Does that mean despite his misdoings, because HE made the right decision, he'll be up there?

[Meiscool-2]

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Hilter is Jesus.