Civil Rights Movement...

[SaiKar]

Unfortunately the seperation between church and state is and has always been a farce. I'm Christian and it annoys me how much the government claims to be Christian when they're acting the way they are. I get my life lessons from the Bible and from peers and mentors, not from a whack oid tychoon puppet that's pretending to be the leader of the free world, thank you very much.

And yes, yes, I know "remove the plank from your own eye before helping your neighbor with the splinter in his." I shouldn't be judging. But I do worry for the future of this country.

... what were we talking about again? Oh, right. Gay rights.

I'm a Christian and I'm not gay, so this is sort of unfamilar ground for me to take a firm stance on. It seems though that homosexuality is something you're born with, sort of like being born with brown hair. I refuse to believe that God would create an inherently sinful person. We all sin, yes, but from our own free will; we are all given a clean slate and we choose to muck it up. But if homosexuality is a sin, those people never even got their chance. They were born evil. That seems highly wrong to me and very nonconformist with the rest of what I know about Christian teachings.

[Ben]

Butt rape makes everything more serious, Osmose.

[charaman]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis


I'm kinda iffy on this part. Marriage did exist before Christianity. At least I think it did, and in other parts of the world. But (coming from a Christian himself) Christians rule the world. In fact, I've only really met one aethiest in real life other than people on the internet. I've got some Muslim, Buddist, and Hindu friends but that's about it.

Marriage did exist before Christianity, but so did religion. It was (almost) always in a religious context back then.

Unfortunately the seperation between church and state is and has always been a farce. I'm Christian and it annoys me how much the government claims to be Christian when they're acting the way they are. I get my life lessons from the Bible and from peers and mentors, not from a whack oid tychoon puppet that's pretending to be the leader of the free world, thank you very much.

Sai, you're the kind of Christian I like.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Osmose
it's thought that gay people are unnatural.

You know, that statement has always bothered me, considering there are many documented cases of homosexuality in animals.
Seriously, what's more natural than animals? And yet there's gay in there.

[drenrin2120]

I agree with both Sai and Osmose.

 

By the way, I was raised Catholic and never did I read or hear anything in the Bible that said, "Gay people are wrong." I'm still wondering where people get that idea. It's like saying that it's wrong to eat sandwiches because originally humans didn't eat them.

I'm guessing it was some religious extremist interpretting some obscure passage from the bible and everyone else was like, "Uh... oh yes, why here it is!" and they went along with it.

[aboutasoandthis]

 Originally posted by SaiKar
 

Unfortunately the seperation between church and state is and has always been a farce. I'm Christian and it annoys me how much the government claims to be Christian when they're acting the way they are. I get my life lessons from the Bible and from peers and mentors, not from a whack oid tychoon puppet that's pretending to be the leader of the free world, thank you very much.

One I hope you mean oil instead of oid. :p
You're doing the right thing. When was the last time Jesus voted for an American President?

From what I know, the Law of the Levites, Sodom and Ghemorrah, and Romans condone homosexuality but even so they're a stretch. The Laws were about cleanliness (As in actual dirt and disease). Sodom and Ghemorrah for some reason is about homosexuality. I don't get why. There was this passage about the townsmembers surrounding and burning down an inn if these two guys don't come out. The passage had them screaming "so that we may know them" and know is supposed to mean sex. For some reason it isn't "to lie with" which is what is in the rest of the Bible. I think Romans had a party scene and some guy was disgusted.

I remember Shady Ultima posting more verses but I couldn't find them in my bible. meh

[Ben]

Originally posted by Razor
 And yet there's gay in there.

Exactly. How many times have you seen a boy dog hump the living crap out of another boy dog? Also, A boy dog humping a Cat? "Natural' is some of the most lewd stuff out there.


Theres gay in everywhere if you look hard enough.

[Daetyrnis]

One thing I've never fully understood about the loud Christians (who are often Catholic) who are against homosexual marriage or abortion.

I mean, it's not like they will be forced to marry someone of the same sex if homosexual marriage is allowed, just like they can still have babies.  It is purely them imposing their opinons and beliefs upon [/B]others[/B].  That, my friends, makes absolutely no sense.  It's as if nobody was allowed to eat rice, becase a group of people happen to hate the stuff.

Now, on to the Bible.  I've recently started to read the thing, and the darn thing seems to have already contradicted itself.  In Genesis 1, it appears to say that God created animals, then he created man.  In Genesis 2, it says that He created man, then he created animals.  A little more on topic, the Bible apparantly says homosexuality is bad with the following verse thingy.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
One, men cannot lie with men as they do women, men don't have vaginas.  Two, notice the word also, I may be getting a bit technical, but that may mean that this passage is about bisexual males.  Three, the Leviticus being applied to modern day society is just silly.  It supports slavery, is against the menstrual cycle, forbids eating shrimp as well as wearing clothes of more than one type of fabric.  And four, though I haven't gotten this far, but doesn't Jesus tell all the good little Christians to ignore those rules and such, that they only need believe in him?

Anyways, Canada wins here, as the gays and the lesbians can marry.

EDIT: So does the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, and South Africa.

[Archem]

I did a whole Speech topic over this. You may guess that I worked on the pro part of this.

[drenrin2120]

The bibles contradicts itself because of thousands of years of translations, interpretation, and man's tampering. I'm gonna stop there, because every time I get into these kinda of debates I always get proven wrong about things, not because I'm stupid, just 'cuz I don't reasearch **** like I should.

[Meiscool-2]

I totally like butts, and think I should be able to marry whoever I want.

[Archem]

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

-Richard Dawkins

[Meiscool-2]

Sounds like my penis.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Meiscool
Sounds like my penis.

**** off

[emiiru]

Originally posted by MSlash67

 God made adam and eve, not adam and steve.

XD  I didn't really think that anyone has ever said this and meant it.

a lot of straight people shouldn't be married or have kids, so... go gay rights. yay.

I just wonder if a child would be gay, being raised by gay parents, and if so is it right?

There's definitely no deficit on people now a days, so I don't really care about procreation.  And there's plenty of orphans that it would benefit.

Also a lot of disabled people are coming about. Maybe just in my area, but it seems odd that there are so many.