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[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Why does everyone keep on saying "We live in a time of killing and war and fighting and chaos and this and that" Do you really think there was ever a time that none of this happened?! Besides the garden of Eden, the answer is NO!. Lets see.
Prehistoric times: Monstrous beasts known as dinosaurs roam the earth, and I'm pretty sure they fought.
Ice Age: The time of cave men. They probably all fought eachother and killed eachother for food.
Ancient times (Egypt, Rome, Greece, etc): They all had war, and fought eachother.
Middle Ages: Does it really need an explanation? Knights, barbarians, war, fighting, killing, a time of darkness and blood.
Age of Exploration: People fought for land, killed eachother, wars, all that stuff.
Age of Revolution: The title gives it away. War, killing, fighting.
1900 - Present: WWI, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam, Terrorism: War, fighting, killing, etc.

Notice. There was never a time in the age of man where fighting, war, killing, etc didn't happen. So please, don't say "we live in a time of killing and warfare" when you can't point out a time that there wasn't. If you guys really want someone to blame, that isn't Bush, Blair, Hussein, OR the terrorists, then blame Adam and Eve (Eve particularly).

Dude, you are missing the point of what I said... please, read well what I posted, and if I do not make myself clear, tell me where the confusion is. I'm not talking about "times of war", it is correct, there has ALWAYS been fights across the world, but you missed the point. All I said is that "I wasn't mad because you have an opinion different from mine", that "this attack is pointless" and that "no war, nor attack has excuses, and no one wins"... Clear?

[Ace of Spades]

Er..I wasn't really directing that statement towards you. Know what I think. I think that none of us really even know the truth. Everyone here is going by the media. The media, 9 times out of 10, lies to you. Are any of you really in Iraq, seeing this happen? I'm not. And I've come to this conclusion, and since I have, I'm done arguing. So, leave this convo on a good note. Sorry if I offended anyone, sorry if I pissed you off, and please PLEASE don't think that I hate you personally or anything, because I don't. I respect other people's opinions, however, this time I realize I got carried away.

[Drace]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Edit: Wait... Bush and terrorists are in the same layer?! No they're not. Terrorists attack innocent people. Bush is fighting those terrorists and IRAQI SOLDIERS, not innocent civilians.

What Bush is doing is the same as terrorist, but because the terrorist stiked first Bush has an excuse to bomb the place away no matter who's there and no matter who did it. For some part I agree with Grandy. Bush is what I call a "legal terrorist" because he's the president. Yes, Clinton was better. Much better. Even though his lil afair I would choose him above Bush everyday.

But the last few weeks I've had some of these issues at history. And in the end, it all goes back to Israël. Because they wanted their land back after a millenium or maybe two the took it from the Palestinians with help of England. The Palestinians and the other Middle-East countries didn't took that and formed the Arabian Liga. This Liga was against the Israëlians. Eventually this ended in battlefields, terrorist attack etc. etc. which formed terrorist groups like Al Quieda, Black Novembre and many others who blamed the Western World for taking away the Palstinian country.

If you look at all that it's because of the jews, the zionists. But if you go back in history Hitler made the jews leave Europe and to Israël, so eventually we're all to blame for this fucked up world, for scrweing up this place. If you look back in history you see we never lived peacefully. There was allways war this war that, endlessly. We screwed up this world and we need to fix it before it ends in a nuclear holocaust which allmost happend in the Cold War. If I look back in history I praise ourselves lucky to still be alive, to still have this world. But if we keep attacking them because they attacked us because we attacked them because they attacked us etc. etc. etc. we'll never have peace.

Originally posted by charaman
i agree, clinton was better, yet what do you expect Bush to do? let the terrorists kill our civilians? there is really no other option. People will disagree either way.

quote:

I think we all agree in one thing: It doesn't matter who started the war, may they be Iraqians, Afganistans, Americas, British, it doesn't matter, someone should stop it.

theres another thing. I think we can all agree it wasnt the british, but that doeesnt phase the terrorists. Perfect example.

And we can agree it wasn't the dutch..... Well it's true.

PS: I'm not saying Al Queida is good though.

PPS: Ace, you forgot the Gulf War, Korea and many others.

[charaman]

umm.. did this thread get out of order somehow?

WAR is the current issue

I thought terrorism was.

[Ace of Spades]

Yeah, it did charaman. Partially my fault, sorry. o_o;;

And Drace, you are right about the Jews taking Israel thing. I learned that in history as well.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Er..I wasn't really directing that statement towards you. .

Woops! my mistake! I read well and I realized that that wasn't for me: sorry :p .

[charaman]

Originally posted by Drace
But if you go back in history Hitler made the jews leave Europe and to Israël, so eventually we're all to blame for this ****** up world, for scrweing up this place. .

Actually he killed them, the UN gave the jews palestinian land and kmade them Israel, so I guess the UNs to blame.


not to quibble or anything

[Drace]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
Yeah, it did charaman. Partially my fault, sorry. o_o;;

And Drace, you are right about the Jews taking Israel thing. I learned that in history as well.

Yeah, but if you look back further, the Palestinians took the land of the jews. But they were probably chased away from somewhere else.
Really, human kind is the worst thing that happend on this planet.

Originally posted by charamanActually he killed them, the UN gave the jews palestinian land and kmade them Israel, so I guess the UNs to blame.

Well, Hitler originally tried to dump them in another country away from Europe. But because the Concentration camps became full they(watch Conspiracy) decided to kill them.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Drace
Really, human kind is the worst thing that happend on this planet.

fully agreed.

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by Drace
[BReally, human kind is the worst thing that happend on this planet.[/B]

Dude, totally right in that one... We are the only idiotic beings that kill each other for stupid reasons, and destroy the place that feeds us.

[charaman]

we just gonna end up killing ourselfves off, and the universe will be at relative peace again. Something to [almost] look forward to.



EDIT: OUR OF ORDER AGAIN! whats going on?

[Kinslayer]

Heh heh... we're really getting out of the subject...

All that is left to say is that I'm deeply sorry for those poor souls lost today, and I hope that we have to regret no more injustices as this one that happened today.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Kinslayer
Heh heh... we're really getting out of the subject...

All that is left to say is that I'm deeply sorry for those poor souls lost today, and I hope that we have to regret no more injustices as this one that happened today.

again, i second that. Its sad to see the footage of people injured in teh attack.

[Drace]

Originally posted by charaman

quote:

Originally posted by Kinslayer Heh heh... we're really getting out of the subject... All that is left to say is that I'm deeply sorry for those poor souls lost today, and I hope that we have to regret no more injustices as this one that happened today.

again, i second that. Its sad to see the footage of people injured in teh attack.

I triple it.
Let's just hope something won't happen again.

[Grandy]

And I quadruplique.

 Okay, first:
 -We agree war is ugly
 -We agree both sides are wrong
 -We agree that there are lots of deaths in both sides, and this is not good for both in any possible ways
 -We do agree not all victims that are killed in this war decerved to die

 Second:
 -We agree war come from years behind, and the human race will fight until there nothing more to fight for. (Then we will fight to stop´the boredon)
 
 Thirt:
 -We agree that no one here know the truth of what is really happening.
 -We agree media shows it own concept of 'truth', manipulating the way peoples think
 -We agree that no one should talk about what we don't know

 Now, eveyone shakes hands, and lets not fight because of a already existent war.