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Offline Almeidaboo

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« on: May 15, 2006, 06:05:13 PM »
So, as Offspring once said: "we´re living in a chaos". Dude, I´ve never been through this. The PCC (bad translation: First Capital Command) is a criminal organization in Brazil that has proved to control the ****ing country. Some of the leaders of that group were moved from one prision to a high security one. What did PCC do? They´ve burned over 70 buses all over my state, attacked all the police stations and the subways and, from time to time, they burst shoot police cars, schools, etc with machine guns. They´re putting fire in banks all over São Paulo!

I mean, dude, WTF is THIS? Where is the ****ing police?? The criminals are killing the police as if they were the police themselves! We'll have to call the army to control this ****! What the hell is this man?? I´ll go pick up my g/f at her work (we´re being liberated from work right now) to take her home, but I´ll have to walk the way cause there are no buses, the subway stopped and they even attacked our airport now!! And I may not even make it to her work cause some car may pass by me shooting and DEAD almeidaboo...Even my university was attacked!

This' why I really, really hate human rights. Cause they´re the Bandit's rights, the Hypocrite's rights. They kill me, but I can´t kill them. We arrest them, but let them live, consume food in a starving country and give them the chance to get out and kill again. Im Brazil prisions dno´t fix anyone: they mess them even more! **** this country, I want all the prisions to be bombed with every rapist, burglar and killer inside! Why? This' my reasoning:

Whenever you violate a "right" you give up that right cause you show, with your violation, that you do not agree or care about that right. That freakin works for the human rights too: if you kill you give up your human right of life. So if is legitimate to anyone to kill you! SO kill all the killers, rape all the rapists to death. But don´t let them live to shoot me and my family.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2006, 06:20:16 PM »
Yeah, thats horrible. Its kinda hard for the army to take care of it because they have to fight on their own soil and they don't know whos a good guy or bad guy, and I'm sure not many people want to be police in a situation like this. But something should really be done.

And about letting them live in prison, its actually cheaper to do that than to execute them  :|
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2006, 06:26:23 PM »
Dude that sounded kinda twisted. You can't just kill killers. If noone respects the basic human rights they end up losing their authority thus creating even more chaos.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 07:58:04 PM »
Jesus Christ, man. Stay safe out there.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2006, 08:58:52 PM »
Well I know you're sensible, so there's probably no advice I could give you that you wouldn't have already thought of. Just don't take unnecisary risks, and good luck.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2006, 09:07:34 PM »
Sounds like a mad house.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 09:38:07 PM »
I was going to make a topic about this. Mostly to say to you to take care.

 Oh, and, I don't think the army would help us, because if the army help us, it would be admiting we are in civil war. The governmet wants to keep pretending it has everything under control.

 Anyway, I heard at least they let the people out of the bus before setting it on fire. That is a plus to both sides.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 09:57:27 PM »
Thanks all of you for your concern....I saw a bus catch fire man, that`s just messed up. I couldnt return to my town cause the trains stopped, an tomorrow there`ll be no classes at University.

Anyway, Seph_Rocks, there`s something we learn at law school: it is that we live with two planes of existance: the "be" plane and the "should be" plane (poor translations). The sould be is the ideal plane, conceived only by ideas, and where everything is like it should be: laws are effective and just, everyone respects each others sphere of rights and so on. The be plane is the one we actually live in: our ideals are distorted by the characterystics of the human being that makes it impossible to everyone to be happy. As said Rousseau, it all started with the appearance of what we call property.

Laws, specially the Penal ones were created with a major purpose: rehabilitate the criminals. The prisions were meant to make criminals understand what they've done and what they`re risking by going against the law: they`re own right to live free.

But if you observe, specially in Brazil, that`s not really what happens. First thing that happens to a bandit when he goes to a prision in Brazil is that he becomes a "bride" (precise translation): he`s raped and violate. And hit, a lot. Most times he actually gets AIDS in this process. Can someone really leave prision, with no perspective of life outside, "rehabilitated". Doesn't that sound like hypocrisy? Plus, a lot of this count with the born-with personality, or could Unabomber become a nice neighbour after jail?

What happens in the "be" plane is that they come out worse, and with the will to kill. Not just that, the prision sistem cost a amount of money that the BIRD won't let Brazil use, even if we could. If all the money used in the prision system was used to erradicate starvation, we'd reduce it in 30%. But no, kids die so that assassins can live. That, somewhat, seems wrong to me.

I could have died today. Over 100 people, mostly policemen, died already with these attacks. But civilians did too. I walked for 2 hours to get home, cause buses were not around. Subway was turned off too. I had to walk all the way to my brother`s home (as I said, I couldn`t go back home), looking to the sides all the time in fear that someone would open their car`s window and shoot me with a machine gun that even the police doesn`t have. I saw an UZI for the first time.

It all started with the moving of the leader of PCC. That unleashed an atack to town by the criminals. If the leader had "disappeared" before anything, they`re be no transfer, and there`d be no violence.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2006, 10:06:30 PM »
South American police forces, unfortunately, are usually corrupt and unreliable. The PCC, if I remember correctly, are radical leftwingers. They are extremely dangerous, they've killed around 200 people. Apparently, according to a Venezuelan friend of mine, they are allowed to have mobile phones in jail cells, making it easier to organize... crime.  I think Governor Lembo's priorities are a little crapsy.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 10:07:53 PM »
 Tei're be more mad. Seriosuly, they know mor of what happen in jail than we do, if their leader "disappeared" you can bet this would be way worse.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2006, 10:31:27 PM »
If only they could get arrested and sent to a Texas state prison, we off any serious criminals we can, we're fuckin' CRAZY-PANTS! Until that fateful day arrives, don't die!
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2006, 11:43:57 PM »
I just heard in the news.

Well, the police seems to work the same in all of South America...

All I can say to ye is to to try to be safe, I hope that you guys (I mean Grandy, Almeida and the rest of the Brazilian fellas) are safe, and I'll be prayin' here for your safety.

This sure sucks, reminds me of the times we had here during the dictature (of course I didn't live them, but my parents did, they were awful times).

Be safe guys.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2006, 11:54:54 PM »
 Don't worry, it's happening mostly in São Paulo, I live in Santa Catarina, it's somewhat far away, I should be fine. Almeida is the only one in danger, I think.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 12:28:43 AM »
Dude, I hope only the best for you.  Stay safe.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2006, 12:59:55 AM »
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Dude, I hope only the best for you.  Stay safe.


same, there's really not much else to say. Stay smart, stay alert.
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