Cosmic Theories and Philosophies

[Razor]

Arg, this thread is killing me! It's pregnant, not pregnate! At first I thought it was a typo but it just keeps repeating itself!

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by Razor
Arg, this thread is killing me! It's pregnant, not pregnate! At first I thought it was a typo but it just keeps repeating itself!

Not by meeee-eeeeee

[Moosetroop11]

Originally posted by drenrin2120

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Originally posted by Moosetroop11 quote: Originally posted by drenrin2120 Lol, I love when people say stuff like that. "If she was a virgin, how'd she get pregnant? She was prolly raped by a Romand soldier." I mean, god is god, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If he wanted Virgin Mary to be pregnant, then *******'t *snaps fingers* she's pregnant! The people who say that aren't stupid, they merely don't believe in god, but do believe that a man named Jesus existed. It's a theory that Mary got raped, and didn't tell anyone. It all depends on how much you see as history and how much you see as religious myth.

True, I get what you're saying Moose, and jsut for the record. I wasn't calling anyone stupid. So hopefully no offense was taken.

What I meant to say was, I myself don't know exactly if I believe in god, but if he does exist, I understand that he'd be capable of anything. I mean, if YOU were the creator of the Universe, you'd be able to bend the rules a bit too if you wanted.

Hey, no offense taken. I just wanted to make sure both sides of the argument got a hearing. And yeah, if god truly exists and is omnipotent, then he could do whatever.

[DragonBlaze]

We should put a spell checker or something in the forums...

[Drace]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze
We should put a spell checker or something in the forums...

And/or a preview button.

[Emerates]

I doubt that Joseph would be a teen.  Usually, Jewish men were married between the ages of 20 and 25, while they were young and.... erm..... fertile.  Usually, woman were offered as wives to bachelors when they were between 14 and 18, which is about the time when girls' bodies reach sexual maturity.  So, Joseph was probably around 22 and Mary was probably around 16, assuming they were married in the traditional ages people were back then.  However, that's not to say that they couldn't have been older or younger.  Mary could have been about the same age as Joseph.

I don't know, though.  everyone was saying 'horny teens lol', so I thought I'd point out that Joseph probably wasn't a teen at the time and that Mary was probably a bit older than 12 when she got married.  Not to prove or disprove anyone's ideas, just to set some facts on a bit straighter line.

Personally, I believe that some higher entity/intelligence aka God had something to do with Mary's impregnation.  It's just like in Star Wars, how Anakin was born through his mother and the Force.  He had no 'father', but his mother had stilll managed to have a child.  In this case, the Force is God, the unseen forces behind the universe's mechanics.  It's a pretty decent comparison, if I may say so, since they're pretty similar (shame on George Lucas).

[aboutasoandthis]

It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

You either believe in something yourself, or you don't. I personally believe that Mary was a virgin.

The sammich is right about one thing, the bible is taken way too much into context. It's constantly twisted and morphed to fit someone's philosophy. Look at Hitler. He believed the Jews killed Jesus. He convinced his followers that the Jews (and a few other outcasts) were evil.

He forgot to mention the Roman Empire and the Church Officials were losing money, and that technically they killed Jesus. He also forgot to mention that there have been plenty of "messiahs" and "healers" before Jesus Christ, and that most Jews at the time did not want even know who Jesus was. Think about it. If you've seen a buch of fake messiahs come your way, would you believe it's some carpenter on a donkey?

If your really going to go by the bible, you have to look at the original version of it. However, most people don't have that luxury. I don't. I hope to get it someday.

There's my random rant.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

Funny how little it takes for me to change a topic's orientation completly.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by Meiscool

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Originally posted by aboutasoandthis It managed to go from the space time continueum (I spelled that wrong), to the birth of Jesus. WTF?

Funny how little it takes for me to change a topic's orientation completly.

It's really more.... sad.

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich

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Originally posted by drenrin2120 quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich quote: Originally posted by DragonBlaze quote: Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich Uhh... you do know that virgin means a woman who hasnt had sex only in modern day right? In the era of the bible and when it was written, a virgin was just a young woman. Hell, Mary and Joseph had had children before Jesus was given to her by God. Actually... the bible clearly states that Mary and Joseph never had sex before Jesus was born. Actually, it does say that Mary was a virgin (modern day term) in the bible. Josheph found out that Mary was pregnate with Jesus before they were married. He was troubled by this and thought Mary was unfaithful to him. Thats when God visited Josheph in a dream and told him that Mary hadn't been unfiathful to him and that it was a work of God or something like that. So Joseph stayed with Mary and they never did anything until Jesus was born and they got married. Even if that is the case, which I don't believe due to the nature of the bible itself, do you honestly believe that two horny teenagers had never done it? Well dude, you can't exactly look at them as two horny teenagers. God wouldn't pick "two horny teenagers" to give birth to his son and raise. Joseph and Mary were prolly really mature and upstanding people. Respectable, even for their age. And think about it too, back then it was a lot different. Plus, look at a lot of other modern relationships. I know people that have some sexual as hell relationships, but they don't **** like jackrabbits. They don't even ****. Teens get a bad rap, we don't all go off having sex with people just cuz we're horny if even we do have sex.

Maybe we dont in our society. Back then, it was perfectly acceptable to get married and have sex at 10. Maybe they had sex but Mary just hadn't gotten pregnant. How do you know God wouldn't pick two 'horny teens'? Are you telling me you have the ability to understand and comprehend the thoughts of God?

I know this was posted a bijillion years ago, but I just wanted to say that no, I don't think I have the 'power' to understand god's thinking and decisions. If I did, I could die right now a happy person. What I'm saying is, you can't honestly believe god would knowingly and purposefully pick 'two horny teens' to raise and give birth to HIS son, the savior of mankind. (if that's what you believe) I mean, it just wouldn't make sense. And I know god works in mysterious ways, but there's nothing 'mysterious' about that, it just wouldn't happen. Like fruing an egg, you're not gonna fry it without putting some kind of butter or oil on the pan first. The egg will stick and burn!


...weird analogy, deal. You all know what I mean... hopefully.

[I Have a Sandwich]

You said yourself "God works in mysterious ways". You can't sit there, and ****ing tell me that you can't understand God, and then procede to say what he would and wouldn't do. Its a complete contradiction of itself in a single statement.

[DragonBlaze]

'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by DragonBlaze
'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

[DragonBlaze]

Originally posted by I Have a Sandwich

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Originally posted by DragonBlaze 'Two horny teens' would be a sin in God's eyes. From what we know about God, he wouldn't have his son born from a sin. Plain and simple.

No, 'two horny teens' would be a sin in mans eyes. Its like how being gay is a 'sin' yet its no where in the bible. 'Sins' were all determined by the church, not by God.

*sigh*, having sex before marraige is a sin, it says such in the bible (and yes, the original version says this as well). We know that marry and joseph weren't married at this time, and thus it was a sin. Maybe if you would have actually studied it at some point you would know this.

Where exactly are you getting all your 'information'?

[I Have a Sandwich]

Dude, you can believe whatever the **** you wanna believe. I'l believe what I want to believe, and what I believe is valid according to the bible. You say that a preacher has broken down the bible and explained this to you, and I have had the same done for me, but not done by a man of the catholic church. When dealing in the bible, interpretation is 99%.