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[Drace]

Almeidaboo, youīre being way to disrespectful to Steve Irwin. Sure, he let us see animals in his own way, but he did it so show us how animals were like and would react to situations. He also helped the world a lot with this and his zoo.

As for PETA, they can go to hell. I agree with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, theyīre all living in a camp having sex with animals.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by Drace
Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

AKA, the makers of the TV show: South Park.

[Almeidaboo]

Drace, I see things this way:

We were given the gift of thinking right? Then, being the most advanced animal in the evolution scale, we should be the ones that are more aware of what we have in our hands: such perfect and balanced nature, from which we can get whatever we need withour exageration.

But thatīs not really the position we assumed. We have no respect for nature, and we dispose it day by day, not thinking about consequences.

So, we have principles that construct our moral: killing is wrong. We hear this everyday since we were born. But how different it is to kill a person  without a relevant reason (such as surviving) and killing a baby seal, again with a lack of reason? If it is no different, why does people doesnīt see it as a monstruosity? Why is killing defenseless animals, that werenīt given the same gift of thinking okay, and killing murderous and sick humans, wrong?

Did that stingray kill that man cause she wanted to look beautiful in the Ocean Depth's annual ball? Or was she defending herself from the everthinking human that invaded her space?

Iīm not sorry for that guy's death. He knew about all the risks, and he still took it. Why? To give us his animal circus display.

[Cosmos]

Thank you for clearing that up Meis <.<

What does PETA really do anyways? Sides throwing pies at ppl, and whining to them..? I mean, there has been more positive action done by Steve then PETA. So.. why are they still around?

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
So, we have principles that construct our moral: killing is wrong. We hear this everyday since we were born. But how different it is to kill a person  without a relevant reason (such as surviving) and killing a baby seal, again with a lack of reason? If it is no different, why does people doesnīt see it as a monstruosity? Why is killing defenseless animals, that werenīt given the same gift of thinking okay, and killing murderous and sick humans, wrong?

First, as the most intellegent of all animals, we humans are on the top of the food chain. This means that we can eat what we want, when we want, and how we want, within our own moral values. If we can't fullfill one of those desires, then we have the intellegence to make tools to use to achive the missing desire. It's highly natural that whats on top will feed off of the bottom.

It's practical, as the top of the ladder normally gets it's support from the bottom.

[SaiKar]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
But thatīs not really the position we assumed. We have no respect for nature, and we dispose it day by day, not thinking about consequences.

Many animals do the same thing. Animals eat the bark, the leaves, the seeds of plants until the plant dies. Acres of trees are deforested that way. Animals hunt other animals into endagerment or extinction. You don't see an animal caring about populations or about giving prey quick and painless deaths. None of them care about the consequences either. But that's considered "part of nature", where when humans do it, it's evil.

Hmph.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by Meiscool

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Originally posted by Almeidaboo So, we have principles that construct our moral: killing is wrong. We hear this everyday since we were born. But how different it is to kill a person  without a relevant reason (such as surviving) and killing a baby seal, again with a lack of reason? If it is no different, why does people doesnīt see it as a monstruosity? Why is killing defenseless animals, that werenīt given the same gift of thinking okay, and killing murderous and sick humans, wrong?

First, as the most intellegent of all animals, we humans are on the top of the food chain. This means that we can eat what we want, when we want, and how we want, within our own moral values. If we can't fullfill one of those desires, then we have the intellegence to make tools to use to achive the missing desire. It's highly natural that whats on top will feed off of the bottom.

It's practical, as the top of the ladder normally gets it's support from the bottom.

LOL, youīre really human there. Dude, if we can think (i guess), we can get to the conclusion that it is not needed to destroy every living being just to get to eat what we want, when we want, how much we want.

Hell of hells, Iīll say it one more time: Iīm not against killing for eating. Chicken we eat, cows we eat, turkey we eat. We use cows leather not to die frozen! But we donīt eat baby seals, we donīt eat alligators and itīs absolutely not neeeded to kill them! Itīs not like theyīre animals we can raise and make more of them like cows and chicken!

Iīm against senseless killing, needless killing. Be what it may be, human or animal.

EDIT: Sai...can animals think? Or they live by their instincts? Itīs not like theyīre purposely cruel when the drag their victim for meters.

Now, did you see the video I posted? Is that cruelty or instinct?

[Cosmos]

OMG, Almei.. go tell the lion to NOT eat that deer.. I dare you!

[SaiKar]

More advanced animals have emotions like joy, fear, and anger. It's very possible humiliation is one of them. Monkeys that throw feces - do you really think they're using that as a weapon designed to hurt someone?

[Revolution911]

PETA fucking disgusts me. Hypocitical bullshit. And not just cause of the Penn and Teller thing, too. I was hating PETA BEFORE all these kids sided with them. Way to choose the 1 farm in a million that abuses animals and tape them, PETA. Humans can be dicks but so can animals, an no offense, but chickens are STUPID. Even if they're KILLED and EATEN, as long as its done like its suppose to be done they pretty much dont give a DAMN. You wouldent protest a lion EATING A GAZELLE ALIVE. So shutup.

[Almeidaboo]

Itīs not about that, itīs about deceit. Animals have no futile killing will, not the desire to humiliate, to hurt or anything like that. They want to survive.

Y'know, Iīm starting to think that you guys are just mocking me. Cause itīs absolutely impossible that no one compreheds the difference of a lion killing a dear for food and a man killing a dear for sports.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by Midnight
OMG, Almei.. go tell the lion to NOT eat that deer.. I dare you!

Lions have to be taught to hunt. You do know that.... right?

[Cosmos]

*mocks*

This is more of a "SCREW PETA" then anything else. But, question... are religous people wrong as well? I mean.. some, like muslims, will cut a cow's throat to give blood to their gods or whatever.

"Lions have to be taught to hunt. You do know that.... right?"

Yes Meis, I saw the lion king  :p

[Revolution911]

I fully respect all vegetarians. I dont respect PETA at all, though. And you know what, it isnt pretty watching an animal being killed in a slaughter house, And hell, maybe even hunting should be stopped. But PETA needs to stop all this hypocritical bullshit. They want FULL ANIMAL LIBERATION. Not a god damn human on earth wants to live like that. Their even against pets. This isnt just an anti-zoo movement or some anti-meat movement. THis is FULL LIBERATION. They show the worst clips they can find to make you think its this brutal horrible torture filled world. These farms they show are 1 in 1000.  Do you realize if they reach full liberation for animals, our medical field is FUCKED IN THE ASS by 20 horse penises. Its not about being sensitive towards animals or anything, its about being smart enough to realize their all hypocritical assholes. The lion hunts the gazelle, the human hunts dear. I see no difference, they both eat it. Just the human has more pride in his work.

[Almeidaboo]

Iīm not religious, so I think thatīs wrong too. But seeing how religion get to people's mind and blank it, making them follow orders without even thinking about them, like zombies...I mean, bombing yourself for a heaven full of virgins? You neednīt be such a big boy to figure that out.
Sacrifices, animal or human, suck.

EDIT: Rev, youīre kinda...weird today. Youīre like, super mad. Anyway, I agree that full animal liberation is absurd. We have pets because we love them, and protect them from a world they couldnīt manage...alone theyīre be killed by cars or something like that.

Iīm against using animals for experiences...You see, animals have a way of acting that incompatible with the human nature: they kill the weak, to make the species stronger. We humans do the oposite: we keep the weak, making ourselves weaker. Why? Because when one of us die, we feel pain. And we donīt want to feel pain.

That the wrong thing about medicines. Theyīre making us weaker. Anyone noticed how many more diseases have been appearing lately? Studies prove that people get flu's and viruses in general much more often than before. Thatīs because we donīt let our body heal and, if it doesnpt menage to heal, we try to survive, even if weaker.

If humans want to keep this idealogy, of keeping the weaker, he should test his medicines on himself and not on animals.

EDIT2: Rev, the difference in the motivation: the lion actually eats the dear. But does the human eat the alligator or the seal? No. There you go.