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[Osmose]

Originally posted by Spike21
Edit: Btw i was just wondering for all you people that believe in evolution and all that stuff, whats your motive to make other people believe it too?

It's not a motive to make other people believe it - I've rarely ever heard of a proponent of evolution actively trying to make people believe it without being provoked. Rather, it's that a lot of people who believe in other faiths try to convince others, and that's where the debate starts. At that point it's an argument of who's makes more sense, who's has more evidence.

With most people who believe in evolution, when someone talks about religion like it is absolute, it's kind of annoying - the nature of science encourages disbelief and requires extensive proof. Thus we usually provide and require proof to believe in something. Hence why it is, in fact, faith vs science - science requires proof, faith requires the ability to believe. Whether one is greater than the other is something each person needs to decide for themselves.

[PyroAlchemist]

whoooo.... religion... >.> <.< I think instead of partaking in this glorious arguement I will simple state. Atheist.

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by MrMister
No one is an idiot for believing anything..(save scientologists LOLkateyhomeslol dude who played slater on saved by da bell LOL)
But Domininicnicy, stop acting like you're advocating free speech or something. You're being a stubborn weiner too.

dominacy
dominincy
dominancy
dominicnicy,

ok, I get it that I may have seemed like I was trying to press how I feel on others, but that's not how I meant it, someone asked on our opinions and I answered, but for the love of all things good, its D-O-M-I-N-I-C-Y.

like, dominic, except with icy instead of -ic.

[Spike21]

Originally posted by Osmose

Originally posted by Spike21
Edit: Btw i was just wondering for all you people that believe in evolution and all that stuff, whats your motive to make other people believe it too?

It's not a motive to make other people believe it - I've rarely ever heard of a proponent of evolution actively trying to make people believe it without being provoked.  [/B]

That is completely understandable.

With most people who believe in evolution, when someone talks about religion like it is absolute, it's kind of annoying - the nature of science encourages disbelief and requires extensive proof. Thus we usually provide and require proof to believe in something. Hence why it is, in fact, faith vs science - science requires proof, faith requires the ability to believe. Whether one is greater than the other is something each person needs to decide for themselves.[/B]

... You are annoyed that we say that our belief is absolute yet you state that evolution is fact? Science must be measurable, observable, and repeatable. Evolution requires as much faith as Creationism. We both have the same evidience but look at them diffrently.

[Daetyrnis]

Spike is completely right, Science takes faith just like religion.  Sure, someone may say "this is true because of this, this, and this", but believing them, as in scientists, takes faith.  Same with taking the word of religious figures such as Priests or text such as the Bible.  Besides, where religious values and such remain generally constant (ignoring the instances where people altered the Bible to their liking, etc.), scientific theories are always being disproven.  Both beliefs have their advantages and disadvantages.

I advocate science, though I'm only agnostic as opposed to atheistic or nontheistic.  I have no qualms with 'creator'.  Heck, a higher-dimensional being (see string-theory) could fulfil the roles of many gods yet fit in with science perfectly fine.

[DarkFlood2]

But evolution has already been proven. Just look at the newer and more powerful strains of bacteria that appear every year.

Natural selection weeds out the inferior bacteria that can't resist antibiotics, then the new strain that can resist the medicine comes out of the bacteria that had the extra genetic mutation that can already resist it.

Thats evolution. So thus, it has been proven.

[Daetyrnis]

Just because something makes sense doesn't mean it is fact.  The way you move over land, and look at the horizon, the logical assumption is that the earth is stationary and flat.  That was disproven by various theories and the eventual pictures of the earth.

No, evolution has not been proven.  It has a lot of evidence, and makes a lot of sense, but it is just a commonly accepted theory.

[Osmose]

Quote me where I said evolution was a fact.

And I don't agree with your saying science is just as much faith as religion is, because, well, it isn't. Faith is believing in something based on personal decision, not because of logic or evidence. Science is based on believing in something because of logic and evidence.

In science, for something to be believed to be true, it must be proved with evidence. That evidence must be verified as being accurate. And not just one piece of coincidental evidence - there has to be repeatable, provable results for something to be proven. Science distinguishes between these by delegating the titles of theories, hypothesis, and laws.

A hypothesis is an explanation that has yet to get sufficient evidence to be probable. If an explanation has a good amount of provable evidence that can be repeated, it becomes a theory - the public often mistakes the normal meaning of theory, as a guess, with the scientific meaning of theory, which holds much more validity, but is still hardly "TRUE, 100% TRUE". A law is something that has been tested for so long and has had little to no contrary evidence that the chances of it not being true are small (but still existent - anything can be proven wrong, although it would take more than just one or two instances where it's proven false to be taken down).

The only faith involved would be a faith in logic, which is, by extension, a faith in reasoning, and if you don't believe in reasoning, well, that's just quite odd, as you don't believe that your decision to drink when you are thirsty is really a decision backed by the logic, "I am thirsty, so I should drink."

Believing in reasoning does not require acceptance of science - certainly you can choose to believe in some sort of religion and still believe in religion, and many people do - but saying that science and religion both require faith is wrong, I believe - science exists to give us people with little faith something to believe.

[Spike21]

Can some one define evolution. I don't think evolution is what you all think it is.

And I believe in Science 100% and Creationism 100%. They don't contradict. Neither does science and evolution, but they are not the same thing.

Edit: Srry Osmoose i didn't mean you but other people. And i am not saying science takes as much faith as religion. I am saying evolution is not science and it takes faith.

[Osmose]

Evolution is the general name used for a set of beliefs centered around the concept that is actually evolution. Evolution purports that humans, as well as other animals, exist as they are today because, over time, they adapted to their environments - such that humans were once, millions of years ago, a type of simian (monkey, roughly) that slowly developed an upright posture and the cognitive capacity to think, speak, use tools, communicate, etc. In the same way, other animals also adapted - bears located in the frigid North and South Pole areas developed a white fur coat over thousands, tens of thousands even of years so that they would blend in with their environment better.

It's not something one can consciously do - it's a biological thing that happens too slowly for anyone to do anything about it - any significant evolutionary changes take millions of years to develop.

In order for evolution to fit within a timeline, one usually also believes that the Earth has existed for a few billion years in order for evolution to have taken this course. There's a plethora of other theories and facets of science that tie in to create a general picture that most scientists accept as the most likely way things happened.

[Spike21]

What kind of evolution do you believe in? Like mutation or the other one i forget what its called?

[Bluhman]

Here's what I think: A god, with no name whatsoever, nor a certain form, created earth. He made creatures, lions, dinosaurs, tigers, bears, rats, horses, fish, amoebas, all those things. Oh, and trees. Yep. He got bored of looking at things with no sentience, so he made twelve humans on twelve different places on the world. Suddenly, the god was hit in the head with a mace by a mad scientist and he died. Though the god had died, the twelve humans had seen the god, and from there, they evolved their own ideas. One human fabricated this image of god as Judaism, another thought Hinduism from it. Yet another derived Shintoism from the image of this god. Another saw the god and came up with the Greek religious ideals. Whatever they are. Zeus and Hera and all that. Others came up with Animism, Taoism, and the very rare and exclusive Holy Mace-in-head religion, which was the twelfth human on the earth, and the only one to actually know what happened to the god.

I, my friends, am a pround descendant of this great ancestor. The discoverer of Holy Mace-in-head-ism.

[Osmose]

I never heard of any other type of evolution, at least that I can currently remember. I believe the evolution where organisms adapt to their conditions.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Bluhman
Holy Mace-in-head-ism.

Can't be disproven. lol

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by Bluhman
Here's what I think: A god, with no name whatsoever, nor a certain form, created earth. He made creatures, lions, dinosaurs, tigers, bears, rats, horses, fish, amoebas, all those things. Oh, and trees. Yep. He got bored of looking at things with no sentience, so he made twelve humans on twelve different places on the world. Suddenly, the god was hit in the head with a mace by a mad scientist and he died. Though the god had died, the twelve humans had seen the god, and from there, they evolved their own ideas. One human fabricated this image of god as Judaism, another thought Hinduism from it. Yet another derived Shintoism from the image of this god. Another saw the god and came up with the Greek religious ideals. Whatever they are. Zeus and Hera and all that. Others came up with Animism, Taoism, and the very rare and exclusive Holy Mace-in-head religion, which was the twelfth human on the earth, and the only one to actually know what happened to the god.

I, my friends, am a pround descendant of this great ancestor. The discoverer of Holy Mace-in-head-ism.

well, you lost your mysterious image in my eyes now.

that's completely stupid, but hilarious!  I genuinely hope you really don't think that! xD