Windows Vista

[Apex]

Originally posted by Osmose
Yep. OSX can't tilt windows, change the color of their transparent glassy window style, and, oh yeah, can't run about 80% of all programs ever made.

It runs 100% of the programs made for it. Same as windows pal. Oh, and tell me when Windows emulates mac, so it can run those 20% of the programs it fails to run.

Mac + Good Windows emulator = 100% compatibility.

I don't mean to sound argumentative with this, but BIG DEAL, it can change the glassy window style, news flash, with proper configuring and hacking (Or use of third party programs.) You can do that on XP, would you like me to show you a screen shot of my XP desktop with a hacked Uxtheme.dll?

Vista, tilting windows, that's all.

[DarkFlood2]

Not getting Vista until Halo2 PC comes out.

[Osmose]

Your whole counter-argument is based on how Mac, with either hacking or third part programs can do what Vista can do. Why can't it do that by default? I'm sure adding a color tint to window borders isn't that hard. And if you're going to stick with that, WindowsBlinds can emulate the look of OSX and has been able to ever since OSX came out, disregarding all the other themes for it (And then DesktopX was the first program with desktop widgets, before either mac or windows had them, Stardock seems to be ahead of everyone).

I've never seen a Mac program that did not have a Windows version or an alternative that ran on Windows. Besides, the 20% that Windows can't run are usually Mac-specific versions of programs that are already made for Windows.

Also, Vista is a little more than flipping windows.  Here's a much more comprehensive review for your reading.

[Razor]

Remind me what "OSX" is, again.

[Ben]

Onion Samsquatch Xenophobe

[Razor]

Someone who isn't Gemini remind me what "OSX" is, again.

[Osmose]

OSX is the Macintosh operating system.

[ZeroKirbyX]

I have a laptop that I only use for internet and IM with some minor PC progs. I'm not a big computer guy, and I like Macs. Go ahead, give me ****. I LIKE MACS.

[Apex]

Originally posted by Osmose
Your whole counter-argument is based on how Mac, with either hacking or third part programs can do what Vista can do. Why can't it do that by default? I'm sure adding a color tint to window borders isn't that hard. And if you're going to stick with that, WindowsBlinds can emulate the look of OSX and has been able to ever since OSX came out, disregarding all the other themes for it (And then DesktopX was the first program with desktop widgets, before either mac or windows had them, Stardock seems to be ahead of everyone).

I've never seen a Mac program that did not have a Windows version or an alternative that ran on Windows. Besides, the 20% that Windows can't run are usually Mac-specific versions of programs that are already made for Windows.

Also, Vista is a little more than flipping windows.  Here's a much more comprehensive review for your reading.

Incorrect, my arguement is that the GUI has been done before, sans the tilting windows, in Windows XP.

Here is a screen shot of my desktop as proof.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8374/screenshot10207mn5.png

And it's "NEW" features have been done before in Mac OSX. I mean seriously, look at the difference in the search icons, there isn't one. It's a rip off, which Microsoft likes to do. (Same with Sony mind you.)

Windows Emulation is great, although not even really needed, seeing that the news macs can boot both at once.

I'd like to point out that the comercials which portray the Windows and Mac, are astonishingly accurate, windows is old, out-dated and full of flaws.

[DarkFlood2]

And Macintosh is old, crashy, and nearly impossible to upgrade. And also, those commercials ARE accurate. They portray the PC as the intelligent guy who can do almost anything, and then they show the Mac guy as the stereotypical smug loser who thinks hes better because he can run art programs slightly better.

Go to the store and look around: Any good games made for mac? No, in fact, most have to be ported from the PC version just to keep you "Maccies" happy. Not to mention that whenever someone gets a mac, it seems that they have to go out and proclaim it to everyone.

Macs are for people who are to afraid to learn how real computers work. Look at it, IT ONLY HAS ONE FREAKIN' MOUSE BUTTON!

I hate macs, I will always hate macs, anyone who uses a mac gets no respect from me.

PC:
Pros-
1) Compatibility with almost everything
2) Easily upgradeable
3) IMMENSE selection of games
4) Two-Button mouse
5) Widely used in the business world
Cons-
1) Parts sold seperately sometimes
2) Crashy

Mac:
Pros-
1) Some better performance at art programs
2) Comes all together out of the box
3) More Ipod compatibility??
4) Can be used as a boat anchor
Cons-
1) Didn't have much compatibility with anything until they put XP on it
2) Crashy
3) One-Button mouse
4) Nearly impossible to upgrade, you have to keep spending money to buy the next model

[ZeroKirbyX]

Oh dear me, I have no respect from DarkFlood. Damn :/ Most people that use macs aren't people that play games, they're mainly graphic designers or cool people. Graphic design and publishing has been the primary use of macs since 1984, and it still is. If you want to piss your time away playing games knock yourself out with a PC, but if you want to seriously try and become a graphic designer, learn to use a mac, because like a PC is for business and numbers, Macs are for makin really pretty stuff.

[Darkfox]

In the longrun nobody cares. XD So your point is pointless.

I dunno. I'm sticking with XP, I got what I want and I am trying to get into cracking game encryption and compression schemes. I don't need Vista for that.

[Osmose]

Charas is hardly about the long run.

I have heard thousands of people all say, "Macs are better for graphic design." And I've never heard a single person explain exactly how it is better. Photoshop is on both, same with Fireworks, Dreamweaver, ImageReady, Maya, etc.

The effectiveness for a graphic designer is based on how good they are personally. After that, it can be affected by what program they use - Fireworks can handle vectors beautifully but can't do bitmaps as good as Photoshop. Dreamweaver/Flash/Fireworks integration links everything up nicely, and work best when used together. I assume there's something similar with the Adobe products but I've only used them a few times and never got quite that far.

The computer architecture and OS can only affect it in terms of how fast it goes. And even when working on a 400dpi book cover on my PC I didn't notice any significant slowdown. So again, I'd like to know - how does using a Mac make graphic design easier?

The only thing I can think of is security from crashes, and every time my computer has crashed recently, disregarding when I installed Vista, which I will give to you, has been when I was running Oblivion at way higher settings than I should have been (Wanted to see how low my FPS could go )

I really would like to know why everyone says this. It just doesn't make sense to me.

EDIT: XP dressed up as OSX, for those who just love the OSX look.

EDIT EDIT: Oh yeah, that Vista style is nice, only it's missing the new Breadcrumb paths, info panes, improved search, compact start menu, sidebar, transparency, extra sleep mode and efficient power saver modes, games explorer, User Account Authentication, etc.etc. that Vista has.

[Darkfox]

The effectiveness for a graphic designer is based on how good they are personally.

Ed Macmahon Impersonation: Ah-ha-ha you are correct, sir!

Couldn't be stated better, that pretty much sums it up.

[MrMister]

About Osmose's earlier comment, about a lot of things requiring XP to work? This is absolute bullshit. I have literally run every file in the world, ever, and they have all worked on 2000: the superior OS.