Charas 3.0

[Razor]

Isn't that the basic "I'm right, if you disagree with me, you're wrong for X reason" response?

We have been on an ever so slight decline. Even though Charas is still great to come to, we have lost a fair few good members for reasons we could have controlled (and yes, some we can not).

But lately it really has died down, as far as posting goes. Or maybe that was just a week.

[GaryCXJk]

No, that's how it goes. Charas has become a dumphole, because nothing actually changed, despite some people asking for change. People lost interest in what was actually important, the generators. Now it's only about making games themselves, even though nobody actually makes the games. Heck, it isn't even about making games anymore, it's about nothing. Charas has nothing appealing anymore.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Razor
Isn't that the basic "I'm right, if you disagree with me, you're wrong for X reason" response?

We have been on an ever so slight decline. Even though Charas is still great to come to, we have lost a fair few good members for reasons we could have controlled (and yes, some we can not).

But lately it really has died down, as far as posting goes. Or maybe that was just a week.

that's tha 'MrMister technique'.
i'm always right and i'm awesome.
if you disagree you're an idiot.
And we've lost a fair few good members for reasons Sai'Kar could have controlled.
GaryCXJk, you think of Charas as a dumphole? I guess the whole being a social board doesn't interest you people that much. Also, if nothing's changed, and you think it's a dumphole, you're basically saying you've hated Charas forever.
Great.

[Razor]

You need to end that tag, you know.

[WarxePB]

It doesn't end.

MM, as usual, is playing the devil's advocate for reasons only clear to him. But even YOU know that Charas is deteriorating. We've had many chances to improve this place, with varying degrees of success; C3 is our chance to actually save this place. Whether Alex agrees or not, we need to do something.

[Ben]

This thread...

Charas Could use some help...
It could stand to be ON PAR with other RPGmaker Resource forums.
I think 3.0 is a good idea...but I also think this is Osmose trying to take over. I think "My way or the highway" is an immature way to go about it. I think the resources in the generators suck, and it  sucks that the whole place seems so unwelcoming to XP. It sucks that Good Ideas are dismissed by jaded members, and it sucks that the Mods condone that.

I think the "Social Board" aspect is doing fine.
I think the RPGmaker aspect is almost dead.

But get this: all that crap being said, If you hate the state of charas that much, then go start your own fcukin' forum

[Dragonium]

Aww, MM, you added a tag so I could understand you.

I'm touched. Really, I am.

[Cosmos]

Gemie, what's wrong with trying to help the site out?

[Ben]

Perhaps I came off wrong.

Nothing is wrong with trying to help the site out...

When you get people taking an absolutist approach to it

"Whether Alex agrees or not, we need to do something."

And Calling the place a dump hole is not getting anything done.

If its a "Dumphole" and if "Something needs to be done wether the owner of the site agrees or not" then you should probably either start you own forum, or take a more productive approach to fixing the place.

ie.

     Dont nuke Forum Gaming.

or

     Dont be needlessly rude.



Sorry Mid, I didnt want to give the impression that I didnt want to change anything. Theres alot of things id like to see changed. However, In the past, Whenever I suggested anything, like, an XP resources Section, or a Scripts Forum I was told to basically Make due with what was already here, before I was even properly listened to. But now OSMOSE decides that its time to strike. Theres no current Admin, and what better way to exert authority and assume the role than to Propose a BRAVE NEW CHARAS.

Silly.

[Cosmos]

Oh.. well I think moose thought of it before sai decided to quit.. and maybe the reasons why people were always saying make due is because noone but alex has power, and he's rarely around ya know? And moose has always been trying to help the site out from day one, mainly in those awsomely cool secret chats we've had over the years.  >:

[SaiKar]

Once again, Midnight is completely correct.

Moose has been talking about really interesting changes for YEARS. Good changes that had nothing in it for him. He wasn't even a mod then. And back then, the thing stopping us from doing anything major was code access.

Moose and I had a big discussion about Alex, code access, and Charas 3.0 the weekend before I resigned. The discussion ended with me realizing how great a lot of those changes would be but not really seeing any hope for them to ever happen due to the current situation with how Charas is hosted. I resigned for a number of reasons, but one of them was an unwillingness to get my hopes up about a good future I thought I'd never see.

So Moose is trying anyway, without official admin support, because he still thinks its a good idea. And a lot of you are being jerks for no apparent reason, claiming this is some sort of revolution or something. No good deed goes unpunished.

The silver lining in the cloud is that if this happens and Moose impliments a lot of the changes to make the site more attractive, Charas won't need ANY of you whiners. The eternal malcontents that are always angry and attacking the mods can just go away and Charas will have a nice, fresh new crowd to replace you tenfold.

[Cosmos]

lmao XD

[Ben]

I dont doubt that Osmose has some sweet changes in mind.
I DO support 3.0.
I havent once said I didnt.
And by no means do I want to come off as the "Eternal Whiner" here.
Ive only ever had any dispute with any of the mod staff once before, and I really dont want to repeat that.

I agree with you completly Sai, in that With the changes, Charas wouldnt need any of us. New members would follow suit.

Keeping that in mind, the point I was trying to make was that If Alex decides not to go for it, then thats pretty much it, right? Then it stays.
And whining wont get anything done. Its not a dumphole, and if you see it as such, youre contributing to the problem.

I would like to see these changes. I would like to see Moose's Idea come to light.  Alot of us have had good Ideas for a long time, and we simply shut up about it, as nobody would have listened in the first place.
I enjoy that if this Idea comes to pass, Ill be able to say that I had some Input in the process.




ANYHOW....Im backing out of this now.
You dudes can have the last word.

[Dragonium]

Originally posted by SaiKar
The silver lining in the cloud is that if this happens and Moose impliments a lot of the changes to make the site more attractive, Charas won't need ANY of you whiners. The eternal malcontents that are always angry and attacking the mods can just go away and Charas will have a nice, fresh new crowd to replace you tenfold.

Ah, yes, Charas would be so perfect then. All of us "whiners" just clear out as soon as Moose makes the changes, and you get a "nice fresh new crowd" to "replace us tenfold". What a brilliant idea. Fact is, Sai m'dear, you'll have your shiny new Charas to ponce about in, and the only posts you'll get will be "can sum1 make some kh char plz".

Really, what a stupid thing to say.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Razor
You need to end that tag, you know.

It goes on forever
lightning quick edit: WARXE!!! :argh:

Maybe I'm playing the devil's advocate so Osmose would provide some actual reasons for wanting to do this
but he hasn't.
'charas sux now' isn't a reason. yeah. deal wit it.
gemini, yeah, I don't want to ruin your credibility by agreeing with you since I'm such an assfucker that is clearly wrong, but you have lots of valid points