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Offline cherko

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Unusual Badguy Motives (I would need some)
« on: July 30, 2007, 06:29:11 PM »
Like the title says, instead of the overused destroying the world because of revenge/insanity/nihilism I need some cool, unusual badguy motives for a game that will have more than one badguy.

Thanks in advance
//Cherko

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 06:34:19 PM »
How about two bad guys who later reveal they are brothers and they both have different ideas -- one wants to enslave the world, the other wants to kill everyone so he can be alone.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 06:57:49 PM »
Enslaving the world and killing everybody doesn't seem that unusual to me. It has been done before, and it screams "look at me, I'm evil".
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2007, 07:32:24 PM »
An antagonist that wants to revive the goddess of destruction so he can gain her power to restore his lost lover to life.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 07:44:10 PM »
A villain who likes baked pies and wants to dominate the baked pies industry so he can have as many as he wants.

I dunno, I myself have multiple antagonists and not all remain antagonists. Some have reasons of family or values they have that seem extreme by others. One because he wishes to see his mother.
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I hope this helps
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 07:44:20 PM »
i think you guys are missing the point
i think they need to be WIERD, not COMMON.
try something like this: taking over the market on some obscure product (grape Juice, etc.) destroying all competitors.
Finding their long lost love. this one is interesting because it is good-intentioned, just make them do bad stuff in order to retrieve said lover.
build a super weapon, simply to prove that they can do it.
revive someone close to them from death or sickness(once more, good intention, bad way of going about it)
discover a new color. (i don't know why i put this here)
perform some amazing ritual that the bad guy does not know is harmless but will actually destroy a bunch of stuff (the Planet, or something else) (to make it funny: the bad guys  beleive theritual is to do something that most people would consider pointless)

i might come up with more later. i got tons of cool resources to help design tons of cool story related stuff, plus i have the mind of an insane dude, which comes in handy.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2007, 07:46:11 PM »
You got ones I suggested and even one I joked about. XD
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2007, 07:46:49 PM »
i was still writing that post when you posted, or i didnt' see it. that is a good idea. you get the point too.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2007, 07:53:01 PM »
Don't start with "he's a bad guy". that's your first step. Start with him as a person. What has he been through? What does he care about? Has he lost something close to him? Does he need something badly? Now think about what he's willing to do to get what he wants and why. Then, think about your main hero and how this conflicts with his reasoning. For example:
Morris van Winkle is the CEO of a huge company. He loves money, because as a child he was poor and his family was very sick. his reasoning is that he was unhappy because he had no money, but now that he has it, he can help those who were in his situation. Morris's company decides to move into a small town to get more business.
Meanwhile, main hero Jim Smith, a resident of said small town, watches as his family's small business is destroyed. He's now without a living, and hates Morris.

Start small, like that. WOrk up to a huge conflict, like Morris is using his money for what he thinks is a cure for a horrible cancer, but is actually a doomsday device! or not, that was silly. Don't start by saying "I want to be unusual". Start by creating them as full characters with depth, and their reasons will come to you naturally.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2007, 08:03:12 PM »
I've been in character development for years, I've tried best to get away from the "evil villain" thing. Many would have a reason for their behavior from events in their past. One with name Genocide for example is not evil as he believes he's punishing the wicked and even protects people and is unaware of harboring something bad from within him. And there is another named Existence who only wishes to improve life by making people more "perfect" with her ability to modify people.

Also the funny villain on Kiki Story named Nightshade tries to steal her source of affection out of jealousy and for accidentally being whacked in the face. XD

A villain who laughs and cries rather than being apathetic can be quite good. Gives something to relate to.

Also my name is black, it says Darkfox
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2007, 08:38:35 PM »
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Originally posted by Vlad Shadeu
build a super weapon, simply to prove that they can do it.

Oh man. Oh man I love that so much. I don't even know why.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2007, 09:14:49 PM »
Villian that is convinced that the world is actually hell(Because their life sucked so much) and by destroying the world he would be destroying hell and sending all souls to heaven?

I had a few more but upon inspection they all appeared to be variations on Metal Gear Solid. Damn, Kojima has ALL the good characters and plot devices. :(
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2007, 09:18:07 PM »
...I've always wanted to discover a brand new color. It must be possible somehow  :D

I want the real badguy, the one that is killed in the end to mark the end of the game, to be hateful, so the player will want to kill him. But he is also human, and I need to give him some kind of motivation.

I think the badguy will need to be... I think I will make him a rational egoist.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2007, 10:33:49 PM »
- Somebody put the cakes too long in the oven, and now that person is pissed and wants to destroy the president.

- A quest to kill all men in the world to have sexy time with the chicks.

- A quest to kill all women to be taken in the pooper.

- Everything is HIS property, so he leaves a mark on everything.

- What's that damn noise?! Just shut the hell up!

- Everyone's out there trying to kill me. Kill or be killed.

- I'm just hungry and I'm craving for little children. Adults are fine too.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2007, 10:46:17 PM »
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Try reading this: http://charas-project.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=20586&forumid=29&catid=6
Maybe it'll help.  And... there is a mini-team called Team Storyline....

EDIT:  Just noticed Phayre's post.  I guess you already got some Team Storyline advice.
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