North Korea...

[Cosmos]

BIG BANG!!

[Dragonium]

There's been a lot of anti-NK propaganda all over the place, nigh on none of it justified. Team America, Die Another Day and Mercenaries to name three.

There'll always be another crazy leader somewhere. If people aren't worrying about what the leader of a country is doing, they'll be worrying about what the leader of a different country is doing. It's only natural for people to worry about one thing or the other.

However, Mercenaries has taught us that if North Korea does become a warzone, the situation will eventually be solved by a single person who manages to use their endless supply of munitions to take out every minor entity in the country within a few days. They will have unlimited help from the UN, South Koreans, Chinese and the Russian Mafia.

As to the quotes, it was Albert Einstein who said the thing about sticks and stones.

What I find interesting is Nostradamus (For those who haven't heard of him, he was a prophet who made many predictions about the future, some of which are correct - for example, he is thought to have predicted JFK's assassination, World War II and the World Trade Centre attack). One of his prophecies said that around this time of the century, "a great war will be fought with ancient weapons". The way I interpret this is that nuclear weapons are ancient enough - most of the universe was created by a nuclear explosion ("The Big Bang"), so nuclear weapons are about as ancient as weapons can possibly get. Makes sense, no?

Another interesting thing is that the Bible Codes (Google it, it'd take too long for me to explain) said the same thing as Nostradamus a number of years later.

So yeah, I reckon something is going to happen, but whether it'll be on as great a scale as it's thought to be will be left to chance. Let's hope it's nothing.

[SaiKar]

Originally posted by Dragonium
What I find interesting is Nostradamus (For those who haven't heard of him, he was a prophet who made many predictions about the future, some of which are correct - for example, he is thought to have predicted JFK's assassination, World War II and the World Trade Centre attack). One of his prophecies said that around this time of the century, "a great war will be fought with ancient weapons". The way I interpret this is that nuclear weapons are ancient enough - most of the universe was created by a nuclear explosion ("The Big Bang"), so nuclear weapons are about as ancient as weapons can possibly get. Makes sense, no?

See, this is the kind of bullcrap that made Nostradamus popular - people willing to make insane jumps of logic in order to try to make him correct. No, nuclear weapons aren't ancient. They're less than a hundred years old. Just because the force of nuclear weapons exists somewhere else in the universe doesn't mean they are ancient weapons. If someone breaks out siege capapults flinging rocks and calvalry charges by steel armored men with lances, that might be ancent, but not nuclear weapons. God.

[Drace]

Originally posted by SaiKar
If someone breaks out siege capapults flinging rocks and calvalry charges by steel armored men with lances

Now that's war. Not the pussy wars of nowadays of people playing with guns. Bah. Give back the knights! Swords! Other ancient awesome painmachines!

[Dragonium]

Medieval culture, weapons etc. are hardly ancient. We're talking a few hundred years. Whereas, with nuclear energy, it's been around literally, or at least virtually, forever. The universe was created from nuclear energy, therefore nuclear energy is as ancient as we can get. While the actual weapons might have only been created recently, the energy associated with them has been around much longer.

Nostradamus never told anyone exactly what he meant, but we can interpret his words and make out own educated guesses. People knew nuclear energy existed back in those days, but they didn't know how to explain it. We can only speculate that Nostradamus was doing just that. Like you say, jumps of logic, but those which have genuine significance.

Another of his prophecies was that one day men would build metal birds and fly inside them. While I've never seen a giant bird-droid flapping about, any fool with a handful of brain cells can see exactly what he's talking about.

Anyway, we're getting way off topic.

China gives support to North Korea. North Korea threatens other countries which China "likes". China threatens to cut off support. North Korea makes more threats. Vicious cycle, no?

[Osmose]

Nostradamus said "ancient weapons", right? Well you said yourself the weapons aren't ancient.  Nuclear reactions have existed for billions of years, but nuclear weapons haven't.

Nostradamus is just as credible as the horoscope.

[Dragonium]

That's to say that his definition of a "weapon" is different from ours. Nowadays a definition of a word comes along and it becomes a standard, and what was correct before is now wrong. The way I see it is that when something is re-used to create something else, it takes on that purpose. So, nuclear energy was harmless and useless before people started making weapons with it, but afterwards nuclear energy was, due to its use, a weapon.

If a bomb goes off and nobody is killed, is it still a weapon?

Anyway, I'm done on the subject.

[Drace]

Originally posted by Dragonium
If a bomb goes off and nobody is killed, is it still a weapon?

Of course it is.

But if some allalalalalalaaah dude from farawaykistan places SOME of the components of the bomb under the White House, it's not a weapon.

[Almeidaboo]

Need I start my "USA likes to have bombs and be able to destroy (and dislikes that other countries also have them) the world even though they´re the only ones the ever used these weapons without responsability" or you all already know about north america hipocrisy?

No need? Ok, thanks.

[drenrin2120]

Originally posted by Drace

quote:

Originally posted by SaiKar If someone breaks out siege capapults flinging rocks and calvalry charges by steel armored men with lances

Now that's war. Not the ***** wars of nowadays of people playing with guns. Bah. Give back the knights! Swords! Other ancient awesome painmachines!

Just want to say this, wars today are probably more scary now then ever. People willing to blow themselves up to kill you, weapons like missiles and rockets that hunt you down. Plus all the bio-chemical weapons that countries aren't allowed to use but just may if they get desperate. Let's face it, if there was a war between, say Russia and the US. It would be horrendously vicious and scary. Or even a war between France and England. Any war between two powerful countries now a days would be devestating, more so then any other wars before. Anyone or any coutnry for this matter, is capable of anything when they get desperate. Someone always gets desperate at some point in a war.

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by Midnight
think they're gonna try and go for a world war III? It's kinda creepy that they've suddenly decided to make noise.

Originally posted by Glitch
Yeah, it's kinda out of the blue lately.  

I hate to say this, but NK didnt all of  a sudden become a threat to national security. The American government funded  NK's militarization over the last 50 years. So did China. Its definatly not an 'out of the blue thing'.


Smoke an' mirrors.

[dinkler]

I doubt that N. Korea will launch a nuke at us, because we've got 2600 more than anybody else. XD

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by Dragonium
That's to say that his definition of a "weapon" is different from ours. Nowadays a definition of a word comes along and it becomes a standard, and what was correct before is now wrong. The way I see it is that when something is re-used to create something else, it takes on that purpose. So, nuclear energy was harmless and useless before people started making weapons with it, but afterwards nuclear energy was, due to its use, a weapon.

If a bomb goes off and nobody is killed, is it still a weapon?

Anyway, I'm done on the subject.

A weapon is, and has been for 1000s of years, been a tool made or used by one sentient being to harm another. If I pick up a rock and throw it at you, the rock is a weapon. If I make a bomb and detonate it with intent to kill someone, whether they die or not it is still a weapon. If I make a bomb with the intention to blow a tunnel through a mountain, it is a tool, not a weapon.

[DeusExMachina]

A thought to ponder.




Words are a pretty ancient weapon.


Another ancient weapon, is religion.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Post the whole thing about that crap here. I bet I can decipher it in any way I like. WHen you only say a small section, you can skew the meaning with lack of info.