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[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Dominicy
you can prove the world isn't millions upon millions of years old because the sun would have vaporized the water of earth in the beginning during creation, this proven by the fact that the sun shrinks two feet every hour. (or was it day?)

Evaporated water becomes clouds, it doesn't just, you know, dissappear.
I'm not sure where you were going with the shrinking sun bit (It sounds like a different point entirely... maybe you meant ocean) but just to clarify, the sun is actually getting bigger.
Besides, do you know how big that biznatch is? It makes up 99.9% of the entire solar system's mass. 2 feet (especially spread evenly) is not a big deal.

EDIT: hey mrmister, weren't you a christian?

[ZeroKirbyX]

I'm a troll, oh dear.

Carbon dating is determined by the breakdown of carbon, and testing of the rocks farthest from fault lines shows the Earth to be roughly 4.6 billion years old. The sin is actually gaining diameter as time goes by, and technically you are correct, as what you say would happen WILL happen, but not for 4-5 billion more years. That's when the sun will get larger enough and hot enough to become a Red Giant. After about 250 million more years, it will cause what little helium is left to explode in a really cool Die Hard blast.

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
The sin is actually gaining diameter as time goes by,

lolsin
NEwaiz, Red Giants are actually cooler, because the heat is all spread out and stuff, but yeah. From an earth standpoint (Inside the sun), that'd be little consolation really.

No pagans so far. Come on guys, there's one in every crowd

[Ben]

SCIENCE'D

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Red Giant

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
The sin is actually gaining diameter as time goes by,

lolsin
NEwaiz, Red Giants are actually cooler[/B]

Totally unbiased, right?

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Red Giant
EDIT: hey mrmister, weren't you a christian?

I am.

[Osmose]

1. In case anyone feels like it again, don't call Dominancy an idiot. Just prove him wrong - it's much more satisfying.

2. The sun loses an incredibly small amount of it's mass each year. 0.00000000000001 percent, actually. Such an amount is negligible.

3. Even if we take your assumption into consideration, Dominancy, 2 feet per day is rougly 720 feet per year. Let's do about three million years. That's 2160 million feet of the sun gone, which equals about 415,000 miles. The sun is 91,250,000 miles from the earth. Over three million years it changes it from 91 million to 90 million. That's not that big of a change, although over time that could seriously affect the Earth's ecosystem if the sun did in fact lose 2 feet per day, it would hardly have the effect you describe. Good thing it doesn't.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Osmose
1. In case anyone feels like it again, don't call Dominancy an idiot. Just prove him wrong - it's much more satisfying.

I would but you and Red Giant used up all his material.

Oh wait.

Originally posted by Dominicy
I'm simply saying that if the earth was millions of years old, it wouldn't be existant because the sun's heat would've killed it completely because the sun is shrinking, and if the sun was millions of years old, it would've killed the earth.  that or, if the earth was there before the sun, and in such a case, that can't even happen.

The Earth itself is not a living thing, thusly it couldn't be killed. If you're talking about the life living on Earth, well, we've been orbiting this sun for a long time now, perpetually at the same distance. Now, if we can survive the heat now, so could everything before us.

Also note that if the sun were shrinking, it would have to shrink a lot more than a few feet per day to do anything of notice.

Now let's change to an analogy. Meteors, comets, asteroids; they all exist, constantly flying through the universe, some times crashing into things. My point is, they've existed pretty well so far, even without our sun. Though I'm not an astrophysist, I think earth has been orbiting that hot ball of fire since the original cloud of cosmic gas (mainly hydrogen) was disrupted, gained mass and then due to its own pressure became so incredibly heated it burst into flames.

I'm not sure if it's known for sure whether or not we drifted into its (the sun) orbit sometime after that or at the beginning.

[Dominicy]

alright,  how about how there's all these spots covered with land filled with fossils?  there's no meteors found inside the earth in these spots practically, so wouldn't that mean that it formed amazingly fast?  as in, over a few months?  not millions of years.  if it took the fossils to be buried then the earth would be filled with meteors in all of these places, and to my knowledge, its not filled with meteors.

this shows that the earth's millions of years didn't come from that, nore did evolution cause they were crushed under 40 days of worldwide flood water.

and on a side not I was using 'kill' as an expression.  perhaps we should all start flaming you for not agreeing with what I said just as you gues are flaming me?  

as I continue, this pretty much just became a topic to point and laugh at me, calling me an idiot because I have a differing opinion than you.  

there you go, there's my ten cents on the matter.  that's right, ten cents, lol

[Red Giant]

Originally posted by Dominicy
this shows that the earth's millions of years didn't come from that, nore did evolution cause they were crushed under 40 days of worldwide flood water.

Where did the water come from? LoL. A second ago you were telling us that evaporated water leaves the atmosphere steadily, but now water can APPEAR inside the atmosphere?

[Glitch]

Are you aware that their should not be tons of meteors in those holes?

A meteorite, a piece of rock that lands on earth from space, is actually incredibly tiny. They really do mostly burn up entering earth's atmosphere, by the time they hit the ground they are infact tiny, they are going so fast however due to Earth's gravitational pull that even a tiny rock creates enormous craters. The theory with Dino's being killed by them is that one was so large that it didn't become pebble sized when it went through the atmosphere, and therefore hit the earth with crippling force, causing enormous side effects such as throwing so much dirt and dust into the air that it ruined our ecosystem, thus plunging us into a state of change that killed off dinosaurs and etc.

I'm not saying this is scientific fact, or that you have to believe it, I'm just saying that's what the real theory is in regards to meteorites and dinosaur's....


and people aren't making fun of you because you think differently, they're making fun of you because your logic is flawed and you are not using any scientific evidence.


As a fun fact, many anthropologists, archeologists, and in general scientists believe now that there was in fact a time of great flooding sometime in our past, though what caused it is still a source of debate.


edit : just read this

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade
Evolution is a fact. It cannot be denied (not successfully, at least).

Warxe, be careful when saying things like that, you can not call Evolution a fact, just like you can't call big bang, cosmic cloud, cataclysm, or even gravity a fact. They are scientific theories.

The first thing I learned when taking an anthropology class in college was that you never refer to Evolution as fact. Now, many scientists do, but they are often times a bit arrogant.

A theory is an attempt at explaining a physical phenomena using scientific evidence to back up your point. You can't call it fact because you can not prove it indefinately. Some of the most iron clad scientific theorys have been proven false, or not completely correct (like gravity, thanks to Einstein), so most smart scientists won't refer to any theory as fact.

I personally feel that more likely than not in 10 years all of our theories on evolution will have been completely revamped and reformed due to some new startling evidence. But that's just me.

[Osmose]

Originally posted by Dominicy
alright,  how about how there's all these spots covered with land filled with fossils?  there's no meteors found inside the earth in these spots practically, so wouldn't that mean that it formed amazingly fast?  as in, over a few months?  not millions of years.  if it took the fossils to be buried then the earth would be filled with meteors in all of these places, and to my knowledge, its not filled with meteors.

this shows that the earth's millions of years didn't come from that, nore did evolution cause they were crushed under 40 days of worldwide flood water.

Preface: This is not a topic to make fun of you. Most of us are presenting evidence/theories that disprove what you think. The idea is that what we are purporting has been thought about and explained several times over, while your theories are things that you are either thinking up on the spot or have developed yourself, and I'm doubtful you are an expert on archeology or astrophysics.

As for your newest explanation, it works on the assumption that meteors are falling all the time.

there's no meteors found inside the earth in these spots practically, so wouldn't that mean that it formed amazingly fast?

Not necessarily. It is quite possible, and generally believed, that meteors actually falling on Earth that are large enough to actually be recognized from a pebble are such a hugely rare event that it would be foolish to think that meteors actually reach the surface all that often. The post above explains it better.

Moreover, it would take gargantuan amounts of pressure in order to compact the planet enough to create the Earth as it is now, at least if you assume there was a 40-day-long flood. The amount of water needed would affect the ecosystem of the world far too much to result in the varied ecosystems today - Deserts would not be deserts, but rather wetlands, as would more or less everything else be.

Believing in the Bible is fine, but trying to prove it using fault evidence isn't. That you are trying to prove the Bible using such evidence is a testament to your lack of faith - having been raised Christian, one of the biggest things taught to me was that God did not need to be proved - faith in him was what drove religion and faith in him should sustain you.

[Moosetroop11]

I'm all for everyone having an opinion Domincy, but are you sure that's your opinion? You're brushing aside important evidence and stating complete untruths as facts... It sounds to me like you've been brainwashed. And I really feel sorry for you.

Don't take this the wrong way, it isn't a flame; maybe you should read up on some of the theories and evidence rather than blindly believing what your society has told you, and then make up your own mind. It'll help you take control of your own destiny, I think.

[Spike21]

I hate it when people say its "science vs faith". Evolution is faith too. And its not a matter of having evidence is how you view the evidence.

Edit: Btw i was just wondering for all you people that believe in evolution and all that stuff, whats your motive to make other people believe it too?

[MrMister]

No one is an idiot for believing anything..(save scientologists LOLkateyhomeslol dude who played slater on saved by da bell LOL)
But Domininicnicy, stop acting like you're advocating free speech or something. You're being a stubborn weiner too.