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[Kinslayer]

To me, God created free will, and chaos.

I mean, I believe thta both Heaven and Hell exist, right? may I have my reasons etc, who cares. My point is that, if God is going to judge our actions, then how can he judge us if we did excactly what he planned?

There's no morale in something that works automatically, and if there exists a Hell, a Heaven or a Purgatory, the judgements must be made acordding to morale actions. If actions are predestined, then the whole "creation" thing is pointless, because it is like just writing 2+2 on a paper.

You know that 2+2= 4 (if not, you're evidently retarded or analphabet :p), therefore, it's just pointless to judge someone when he is doing exactly what you told him to do.

That's why he created free will and chaos. Free will allows us to make our own call over a morale action, and chaos is simply things you can't really control (sickness and stuff), which happen randomly.

That's what I think... explained in a rush, but yeah, it's most of it.

[Razor]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
he just doesn't know

Isn't God supposed to be omnipotent, with no imperfections whatsoever?

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
he just doesn't know

Isn't God supposed to be omnipotent, with no imperfections whatsoever?[/B]

What I mean is he knows what will happen, just not how it will happen. I believe he grants us the freedom to choose our own path to a decided location.

[Meiscool-2]

If God is omnipotent, how's come he can't make a rock that even he can't lift?

[Dominicy]

Originally posted by Meiscool
If God is omnipotent, how's come he can't make a rock that even he can't lift?

he can, but what would the use be in it? o,o??  that's like saying in one of the zombie movies with the evil virus, that they planned to make an evil virus because they couldn't control it.

hehe, please don't judge me based on that statement, I'm just saying what I think.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Well think about it. If he is omnipotent, then he can create a rock he can't life, but then he could make himself powerful to lift said rock.

[Drace]

IF there is a god, I don't think he/she can control everything. He/she needs to give freedom to the world. He/she created free will. He/she created evil to test everyone and everything to see if they're good or evil. But then, I don't believe in god.

[Red XIII]

Well, it's like this:

God (The christian god, and the one I believe in, that is...) is omnipotent. So, that means that he knows ans sees everything (and in fact, could control everything if he wanted to). But that doesn´t mean that he controls everything.
Here's how I look at it: God can see what are you going to do, and knows every bit of how you are going to do it, but he chooses not to come in your way. Why? The good ol' free will rule. In order for us to have free will, we need to be able to have our own decissions without external disturbances (And that would be, God).
Of course, He shows us the way, but it's our choice and only our choice to take it.

And about the "rock he can't lift" thing. If God is perfect, then He is above all rules except the ones he create for Himself.
Reason is one of the tools (Maybe the biggest) we have to understand this world. But it isn't the only one, and we can 't use it for everything.
What am I saying here? You can't prove God's existance by reason. You need faith.


And about Christian Metal..... Bart Simpson once said: "All the good bands go with Satan" (Sorry if it's not literal, but I watched it in spanish).

[Razor]

Originally posted by Red XIII
God can see what are you going to do, and knows every bit of how you are going to do it, but he chooses not to come in your way. Why? The good ol' free will rule. In order for us to have free will, we need to be able to have our own decissions without external disturbances (And that would be, God).

I still don't see why God should punish us (Hell) for something he lets happen. I mean, if he created free will, human beings and everything, and knows everything that can and will happen (that's the perfection part) it seems absurd above anything else to punish humans for living alternative lifestyles to God. If he is completely perfect, he should be nothing less than completely understanding about the choices people make, and so why send them to Hell?

A God willing to damn people for all time for the choices they make is NOT the God you want to worship. If anything he sounds evil himself.

[Spike21]

Originally posted by Meiscool
If God is omnipotent, how's come he can't make a rock that even he can't lift?

That is logical suicide. Its like saying "imagine two brothers, each taller than the other"  

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by Red XIII
God can see what are you going to do, and knows every bit of how you are going to do it, but he chooses not to come in your way. Why? The good ol' free will rule. In order for us to have free will, we need to be able to have our own decissions without external disturbances (And that would be, God).

I still don't see why God should punish us (Hell) for something he lets happen. I mean, if he created free will, human beings and everything, and knows everything that can and will happen (that's the perfection part) it seems absurd above anything else to punish humans for living alternative lifestyles to God. If he is completely perfect, he should be nothing less than completely understanding about the choices people make, and so why send them to Hell?

A God willing to damn people for all time for the choices they make is NOT the God you want to worship. If anything he sounds evil himself.[/B]

Hell wasn't created for man, it was created for the devil and his angels. But man has sinned which makes them unperfect. But God sent his Son to die so that we could be clean in God's eyes. Basicaly God doesn't damn us to hell, we damn our selfs by denying that Jesus died for us. You don't go to hell because you didn't worship God but for not accepting that Jesus died for you and make him your personal savior. Its not really punishing us its more of a trap set by the devil so you don't go to God.

[Drace]

Originally posted by Spike21
we damn our selfs by denying that Jesus died for us..

Jesus died for the pack of peanuts he stole.

[Red XIII]

I don't think anyone will go to Hell for not believing in God or Jesus (I don't agree in everything the church says. I'm what you would call a "Catholic for heritage" or so). Personally, I believe that statements such as "Nobody outside MY religion will be saved" were invented by priests to make people follow them and obey their church.

And about Hell for the evil, excuse me, but if you choose to kill several million people, don't repent, and don't try to make ammendments (Don't ask me what kind of ammendments could be made in that case. I honestly don't know) you don't deserve eternal life. I call that the "Hitler is definitely going to hell" theory.

[redwallmax]

Originally posted by Red XIII
I don't think anyone will go to Hell for not believing in God or Jesus (I don't agree in everything the church says. I'm what you would call a "Catholic for heritage" or so). Personally, I believe that statements such as "Nobody outside MY religion will be saved" were invented by priests to make people follow them and obey their church.And about Hell for the evil, excuse me, but if you choose to kill several million people, don't repent, and don't try to make ammendments (Don't ask me what kind of ammendments could be made in that case. I honestly don't know) you don't deserve eternal life. I call that the "Hitler is definitely going to hell" theory.

your right about if you don't repent you go to hell but whats great is that after Christ's death God now sees us through Christ and no longer sees are imperfections or faults he only sees the original perfect person. (Original=before Adam sinned and ate the fruit of good and evil) But because Christ died for us and our sins anything you do can be forgiven but that doesn't mean you should do what ever you want and then ask for forgiveness on your death bed but it does mean no sin is greater than another and all can be forgiven. So we don't know if Hitler is in hell to tell you the truth because if he asked for forgiveness right before he died he  would have gone to Heaven. But i don't think he did.

And about other religions the FIRST commandment is "I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE no other gods BEFORE ME." That basicly explains its self.

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=-TyAA90k7gE

[Drace]

Fact: Hitler died for his sins.

EDIT:

If Adam was perfect, why did he eat the fruit?

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Drace
Fact: Hitler died for his sins.

EDIT:

If Adam was perfect, why did he eat the fruit?

1. Redwallmax is just wrong
2. Didn't Eve eat the fruit first..?