Love and Relationships

[Shady Ultima]

Chemical imbalances are a natural thing that a human being can be born with Rev. It may take time for them to show, but a child is born with them. Manic Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, etc, they're ALL caused in the genes.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Hey if science says you can be born gay, I bet you can be born depressed.

[Cosmos]

Yeah... this is some bullshit

[Revolution911]

I think you guys are looking beyond my actual point ._.

Point is that you aren't born cutting you're stomach and having suicidal thoughts.  You let it get to that point is what I'm saying.

     
I WAS BORN GAY
       

[Dragonium]

Which is why I say that if you allowed yourself to fall down into depression, and then are not prepared to get yourself out of it again, you're not worthy of people's time.

Aaaaaaaaanyway...

>.>
<.<

[Tomi]

Originally posted by Revolution911

     
I WAS BORN GAY
       

QFT

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Originally posted by Revolution911
I think you guys are looking beyond my actual point ._.

Point is that you aren't born cutting you're stomach and having suicidal thoughts.  You let it get to that point is what I'm saying.

     
I WAS BORN GAY
       

Well a gay baby isnt exactly going to have homosexually feelings when it's born you know.

OH SCIENCE TELLS US THIS AND MUST BE TRUE


Hmm...

[Meiscool-2]

This thread turned stupid.

[Dragonium]

No, we just ran out of problems.

I'm sure you have problems Meis. Can we help at all?

[Revolution911]

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser

Originally posted by Revolution911
I think you guys are looking beyond my actual point ._.

Point is that you aren't born cutting you're stomach and having suicidal thoughts.  You let it get to that point is what I'm saying.

     
I WAS BORN GAY
 

Well a gay baby isnt exactly going to have homosexually feelings when it's born you know.

OH SCIENCE TELLS US THIS AND MUST BE TRUE


Hmm...[/B]

Straight babies usually don't even like girls till later on.  I would assume it's the same with a gay child.  So I really don't get what you're trying to say.  Its not hard to figure out with common sense.  It's not like gay people are from an alien planet.  They're still a human.  You seem to not like gays.


In short, I hope your son is gay.


Seriously don't turn this into a debate on gays.  Make a new thread for it if you want it that badly.

[Dragoon de Sol]

Can we get away from the ****ing depression and genetics from the FIRST problem and deal with the others?


Goddamn, people >.>

[Revolution911]

Theres only 2 others.  And I already answered one of them.


I JUST DON'T WANNA READ MIDS BIG LONG SCARY POST

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Originally posted by Revolution911

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser

Originally posted by Revolution911
I think you guys are looking beyond my actual point ._.

Point is that you aren't born cutting you're stomach and having suicidal thoughts.  You let it get to that point is what I'm saying.

     
I WAS BORN GAY
 

Well a gay baby isnt exactly going to have homosexually feelings when it's born you know.

OH SCIENCE TELLS US THIS AND MUST BE TRUE


Hmm...[/B]

Straight babies usually don't even like girls till later on.  I would assume it's the same with a gay child.  So I really don't get what you're trying to say.  Its not hard to figure out with common sense.  It's not like gay people are from an alien planet.  They're still a human.  You seem to not like gays.


In short, I hope your son is gay.


Seriously don't turn this into a debate on gays.  Make a new thread for it if you want it that badly.[/B]

Me? you're the one that's saying you can't be born gay. No one is making a debate on gays. At least I am not. As I see it, we were talking about being born depressed/gays, not about liking gays/depressed people. Your assumtions led and started this.

So please don't assume things of me. Makes an ass out of u and me.


...


Back on subject, I remember wanting to say this to DB once:

Many people here would think that leaving her, cause "she's being annoying" and looking for attention, is the best option. I however don't see it this way. She definitly needs someone in her life to msintain her psychological balance. Even if she says you should leave her , she's is trying to do this out of care (love if you want to call it) but of course, theres a bit of confusion and disturbed emotions on play here.

I dont know how far you've gone to express your love for her, and seemingly she's rather emotionally difficult to get to, so that might come down to be painful not just for her, but if you really love her, for you as well. An emotionally disturbed person will most likely like to be alone, but will not want to feel alone. If what you say its true that her father yells and her mother is not helping either, then that can really make her feel alone from a family point of view.

Her going to theraphy seems like a good step for me (and should be for everyone else). Love her, express that everyday in ways that you cant put emotional breakouts on the edge, and in a way that she understands it. I dont know her past, and what she likes or dislikes, or how old she is. But do know that before she became emotionally damaged, she wasn't.

 Also, don't diss her parents for not helping her, if you havent I congratulate you. Even though they're not helping they're still those who brought her into this world, love them at least for that. And I know, and I say this with a security in my mind, that a good portion  of her distress is cause of her parents, meaning that she loves them. If there would be no love, there would be no suffering. She can still grow up to maybe not talk them, but still hold some respect for them.

Now, you say that she doesn't like you telling her that she's a good person. Then don't, instead ask her " do you think I am good person?" In her thoughts she knows you are (or else she wouldn't say that she's bad). Then someway or another after that let her know that through you she can change, that through your love things can change.

Dont try to cheer her up verbally. If you can, always embrace her someway. If it be your arm around her, or hugging her. She's been hurt by words, I dont know if physicly by someone else, so this might be the best approach. Let her talk to you first, if she donest say anything, dont say anything. If she says something negative about anything, say something positive about both of you together. If she gets mad, for it, don't try to talk about it, tell her or show her that you love her in that moment. If she starts talking about some of her problems, listen carefully, and try to reverse that negativity.

Don't feed her emotional ego. Talking someone out of suicide is touchy. And I dont know what you might have used for those times.
But use yourself in the fray. If she loves you (and I dont say this doubtfully but more like for example), then seeing you try to sacrifice (not literally) yourself will put her to think of you instead of her. You need to get her to stop thinking of herself... i say going out to places is best; Makes the mind feel less jailed. And I know you;re sacrificing yourself daily with her, and that's good.

Don't let this be like "it doesnt bother me that much anymore". I take it, for you it must better because, maybe it's less heart-ache, and in a way it's ok. But I think I just mean that, don't stop caring much. No pain no gain. Sometimes feeling pain for love is what may hold you through. Believe it's worth it. Believe that in the end it will be changed.

Yeah tis what I remember with things I got out from 1 or 2 experiences, and a lot of other things I remember about my oldest brother talking about when he had problems with his wife when they were girlfriend and boyfriend. They were so for 6 years, they suffered a lot emotionally, and I know, cause I saw it. Not for something like this, but suffering is suffering.

I know you said that you've learned to deal with it a bit (or a whole lot) but this is what this thread is for and this is why you posted; to respond and be responded.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by Dragonium
No, we just ran out of problems.

I'm sure you have problems Meis. Can we help at all?

Nope, I've already sorted my problems out with people over MSN like problems should be sorted out.

[Revolution911]

My assumptions had nothing to do with it.  You made the first gay comment and I just ignored it with a light hearted "I WAS BORN GAY."  Then out of nowhere another one.  The second didn't even help the depression debate AT ALL.  It was just random.  I mean, I KIND OF see an attempt at making a connection between being born gay and depressed, but its very loose and 2 very different attributes to be born with.  

Not to mention, I said you cant be born gay?  What in the hell?  Seriously thats just flat out bull.  

Well a gay baby isnt exactly going to have homosexually feelings when it's born you know.

OH SCIENCE TELLS US THIS AND MUST BE TRUE


Hmm...

Now if you look at that, I think its pretty obvious that you really don't think you can be born gay.  With the sarcastic OH SCIENCE remark.  OH PLEASE TELL ME NOW HOW IT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE SARCASTIC AT ALL AND YOU JUST FORGOT TO LET GO OF SHIFT.


WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE, KIJUKI.
DEJA VU ANYONE?

i luv u kijuki    


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OKAY I READ MIDNIGHTS WHOLE BIG PARAGRAPH.
Seriously is there ANYWAY you could've made that shorter?


Anyway, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably start going after him (wow I'm gay) again.  If you really do love him that much, it doesn't matter if you don't get to see each other every day or something.  Call him, text him, whatever you can do to stay in touch.  As for your mom, its not her relationship.  In reality, it really doesn't matter what she says about it.  What can she do?  Threaten you some more?  As if she'd act on any of the threats.  Just go after what you want.  Also, when you see him, treat it like you see him everyday, don't let distance get to ya.

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SCHOOL
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i luv u 2 mid