Peace

[Razor]

Yes, Kijuki, we all know you hate Rev. But he hates you.
So that balances everything out.

Originally posted by MrMister

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser
lol oh wow this has so turned out into something that it was not meant too.

I like it!

no ones reading your posts[/B]

Why did you leave?
Rhetorical question.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Originally posted by Razor
Yes, Kijuki, we all know you hate Rev. But he hates you.
So that balances everything out.

This is where you utterly fail.

What signs of hatred. As in hate (1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy) has this thread shown? Not much. But your visual perspective is probably more extreme than mine.

I dont know if he hates me. Nah, I actually dont think he does. He just thinks I am a retarded dumb ****.

[Razor]

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser
lol I love it when people think I'll be glad when someone I "disliked" leaves. As if the person mattered.

I'll not be better off today than I was yesterday. You made no Significant impact in my life, dont give so much credit to yourself.

Then again I don't know why you say this, you'll be back anyway, despite how many lazerz get charged and how many pew pew pews you hear, or how many 111!!!!11!!!!!!!11!111 are typed.

Edited to lessen margin of error.

This is the part where you need to tell everyone you don't care.
Because you need to make sure Rev didn't get the last word.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser
lol I love it when people think I'll be glad when someone I "disliked" leaves. As if the person mattered.

I'll not be better off today than I was yesterday. You made no Significant impact in my life, dont give so much credit to yourself.

Then again I don't know why you say this, you'll be back anyway, despite how many lazerz get charged and how many pew pew pews you hear, or how many 111!!!!11!!!!!!!11!111 are typed.

Edited to lessen margin of error.

This is the part where you need to tell everyone you don't care.
Because you need to make sure Rev didn't get the last word.[/B]

he's going to a party at the gym
too busy to post

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

Hmm, rly? SO he's still here? And can still make the last word?

[SaiKar]

To: the moderator / administrator staff of Charas

I'm still not sure about Kijuki's position as a site member, and am kind of annoyed the mods never had the guts to clarify it. Technically Kijuki is a banned member, and the past has shown that any banned member that creates a dual account to attempt to get around the ban can be banned again instantly. But the mods obviously didn't ban HTML, yet they didn't unban Kijuki, and I wonder what's up with that.

Though, to be honest, they probably found themselves disagreeing with some of my policies to the point where they decided inaction was better than any action that could go horribly wrong, and so they're sitting here ignoring you like they ignore every other problem. Not so much you Razor, but hello to Moose on that one. Consider it a fair turn for you saying that my reign as admin was poor. You're doing worse.    How are those attempts to revive the site going? You fire any inactive mods lately? Think of a contest or something that could stimulate interest? Didn't think so. "Peace" you claim and peace Charas has, but peace has a deadly cousin for an internet community - boredom.

Lord I hate falling into the same boat as Kijuki on the "Charas is dying!" issue, but it is. Charas 3.0 will be the same problems with a new interface. And yes Moose is working hard, but, despite his estimates, it seems to me it is still weeks or months away, which is weeks or months of relative inaction and putting off problems until some sort of mystical new interface magically solves them.

Which it won't. Because people like Rev are leaving. Even though he hasn't really left, just like Kijuki and MrMister are still hovering, but that crowd is hardly the backbone of a good community. And that's what this really is about - a good community. Charas isn't a dead community right now, but it's declining. Like in the old days, the mods have lost a lot of respect - people listen, occasionally, out of fear of atuority rather than out of friendship and faith in good judgement.

And while Charas has a purpose - that whole RPGMaker thing - it sucks pretty hard at it so people just go to better sites. And the software itself isn't getting any younger. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before there is a better RPG making tool, if there isn't one already. There's nothing you can do about any of that except try to strengthen the community, which nobody is showing any signs of actually doing.

The mods will probably consider this sort of unfair, which maybe it is. You disagreed with some of my policies and were ignored; I won't complain about similar treatment. But you're the ones that were eyeing my job for a year or more, so maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and try to do less cleaning of threads like this and more proactive encoruagement of growth out there in All of All and Requests and Games were you still have a shot at making a difference.

Just a thought.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

WIthout retaliating yet; I am utterly confused by your post :S

I have no idea who you are talking to at some parts.

[SaiKar]

Grammer and late-night ranting are not allies.

The post has hopefully been suitable modified.

[Razor]

Originally posted by SaiKar
You're doing worse.

Hardly. As bad, maybe, but not worse.

[HackersTotalMassLaser]

I concur, i was falling asleep while reading it, cause ia m quite tired.

Retaliation: HTML was built before dual account laws, before i was banned, before razor (that one was for lols). HTML was not initally built to be a double account, it kinda just turned that way then used to hide myself while testing forum's loopholes. Razor gave me the idea to come back to charas as HTML. I thought all my accounts were banned (since that was your judgement), but he said this one wasnt. I have actually followed rules up straight, even when i was bonk a while ago, I followed the bonk's order w/o questioning it.

But in return you are right. In reality, i was expecting to get banned 10 days i got active on HTML for same issue, but I wasn't. (Not that I want to get banned again)

With Osmose thinking I am an idiot though I dont think I'll be far from that reality.

I am either agreeing with the rest or just nodding since the problem stated above.

[Dragonium]

Originally posted by HackersTotalMassLaser
HTML was not initally built to be a double account, it kinda just turned that way then used to hide myself while testing forum's loopholes. Razor gave me the idea to come back to charas as HTML.

So this is Razor's fault.

You see, I FUCKIN' knew it.

Sai is right, get some stuff happening here, or elect new mods who will see the opportunity as a privelege to be made the most of, not a chore to be done in a half-assed manner.

Yeah, I said it. New mods. To anyone who responds to this idea negatively: screw you.

[Robotam Plus]

Originally posted by Dragonium

Yeah, I said it. New mods. To anyone who responds to this idea negatively: screw you.

You know, for bringing that up, I wish I could put down those two fingers and up with the middle finger. J/K

The way I see it, this thread is exactly how I remember charas.
Hot discussions, people constantly ranting the mods for doing a bad job, somebody leaves ect.

Isn't that how it's always been?

3.0 will probably not bring much of change on that fact, but it sure will be cool.
And I think, Osmose deserves more credit for trying so hard.

[Osmose]

Originally posted by SaiKar
To: the moderator / administrator staff of Charas

I'm still not sure about Kijuki's position as a site member, and am kind of annoyed the mods never had the guts to clarify it. Technically Kijuki is a banned member, and the past has shown that any banned member that creates a dual account to attempt to get around the ban can be banned again instantly. But the mods obviously didn't ban HTML, yet they didn't unban Kijuki, and I wonder what's up with that.

Initially the plan was to ban him, but decided to let him use HTML for awhile and see if he could behave himself (And he's not doing a very good job of that and is close to being banned again, but we're merciful masters. ). The idea is that in the old days Alex saw bans as a last resort - we didn't have have an IP ban. The site has a history of forgiving most - did you ban Kairou when he showed up as Lightning-something?

Though, to be honest, they probably found themselves disagreeing with some of my policies to the point where they decided inaction was better than any action that could go horribly wrong, and so they're sitting here ignoring you like they ignore every other problem. Not so much you Razor, but hello to Moose on that one. Consider it a fair turn for you saying that my reign as admin was poor. You're doing worse.    How are those attempts to revive the site going? You fire any inactive mods lately? Think of a contest or something that could stimulate interest? Didn't think so. "Peace" you claim and peace Charas has, but peace has a deadly cousin for an internet community - boredom.

I'd feel a little better if you didn't seem to be ranting out of spite because, oh noes, I was offended when you told me that you encouraged trouble such as Raffles because you thought it would be good for activity. You may claim that it did indeed raise activity, but I claim that it was a stupid thing to do.

I concede that we've been bad at firing inactive mods and coming up with stuff to spur activity. Part of it is because I'm so preoccupied with 3.0 when perhaps I should focus more on stuff that takes immediate effect.

Lord I hate falling into the same boat as Kijuki on the "Charas is dying!" issue, but it is. Charas 3.0 will be the same problems with a new interface. And yes Moose is working hard, but, despite his estimates, it seems to me it is still weeks or months away, which is weeks or months of relative inaction and putting off problems until some sort of mystical new interface magically solves them.

The plan was not just to offer new stuff to people, but to encourage them to use it. Having RMXP generators allows us to encourage RMXP resources - perhaps a new Charas Resource Contest? Winners would be listed on the main site as usual as well as getting nifty awards on their post-side profile (Which everyone enjoys, don't lie ).

Or perhaps we'll use the new Games section to coordinate game days where everyone showcases the best they have in a game, and encourages them to have a good demo ready. Again, awards could be handed out as incentive, as well as other rewards that we can think of - code access gives us a lot more options than we have now. I more than anyone feel the pain of taking so long - it's my fault for not having the skill to work faster.

Which it won't. Because people like Rev are leaving. Even though he hasn't really left, just like Kijuki and MrMister are still hovering, but that crowd is hardly the backbone of a good community. And that's what this really is about - a good community. Charas isn't a dead community right now, but it's declining. Like in the old days, the mods have lost a lot of respect - people listen, occasionally, out of fear of atuority rather than out of friendship and faith in good judgement.

I'm sure you ranting about how you hate us is really going to help people give us the respect we need. -_-

And while Charas has a purpose - that whole RPGMaker thing - it sucks pretty hard at it so people just go to better sites. And the software itself isn't getting any younger. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before there is a better RPG making tool, if there isn't one already. There's nothing you can do about any of that except try to strengthen the community, which nobody is showing any signs of actually doing.

Perhaps we'll expand to other makers. The generators certainly can handle other sprite layouts. The CR can handle new sections (In the new system ). It's a thought that could use some serious consideration. As for strengthening the community, I'm at a loss for an idea that doesn't involve creating trouble for people to "unite" against.

The mods will probably consider this sort of unfair, which maybe it is. You disagreed with some of my policies and were ignored; I won't complain about similar treatment. But you're the ones that were eyeing my job for a year or more, so maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and try to do less cleaning of threads like this and more proactive encoruagement of growth out there in All of All and Requests and Games were you still have a shot at making a difference.

I think it's unfair that you claim that what we've done so far is already as bad as the worst you've ever done. You were gone from the site entirely for longer than me and Razor have been admins at all. As I've mentioned before, you resorted to making problems that, admittedly, you didn't start, a big deal to garner some sort of sense of "community" from the people who side with you. That's the wrong way to go about things.

I respect you. I think you're a smart person. I hope that you don't hate me over this .

But I used to think you were an okay admin until you told me about the aforementioned encouragement. If it was something obvious that I should've noticed and I didn't, sorry I didn't speak out about it sooner, but I just disagree with that too much. If thinking that's wrong is calling your reign crappy, then yes, I think your reign was crappy. If that is part of the reason why you hate Charas, I'm sorry that you carry a grudge like.

I would appreciate you giving suggestions and such in a more respectful manner than bashing the site publicly just to get an ear. You've mentioned some of these things before to my in private, but saying, "You need to help the site," without giving a suggestion doesn't really help me - I KNOW I have to help the site. My problem is coming up with ideas. I can't speak for Razor since I'm not him, but I assume he's having the same problem as myself.

Why don't you try talking to us directly instead of "being ignored" and then whining about it on the forum? Anyone who wants to give their input has ALWAYS been welcome to give them to me or Razor or any staff member who can pass them up the line.

Wall of text countered w/ Great Wall of Text.

[Dragonium]

There's always been a lack of ideas for new things to do within the community. It is not as though all of a sudden we have no brilliant ideas left; we never had any brilliant ideas to start with. Certainly Charas 3.0 is the priority, but we cannot hide behind our supposedly new lack of ideas and hope everything clears up.

You must admit, Charas is a very poor social board. And you must also admit that people will eventually lose interest in RPG Maker. So if they're not staying for the RPG Maker aspect of the community, and the social aspect is completely hopeless, what do people have to stay for?

[Grandy]

Mr. Mister - Claims to have leaved but still posts here.

Rev. - Mr.Mr N° 2

Sai'Kar - Obviously regretful of not being an Admin animore.

Kijuki - ...I hadn't even noticed you're here, yes. I'd prefer you to be banned, because, really, that's only the fair thing to do.

Osmose - Tries to build a better Charas, through the wrong way. Also has engaged Sai'Kar in a pseudo-fight.

Razor - Kijuki's accomplice. Seriously.

Grandy - Really pissed off of how people can't just get along. Won't add "anymore" to the end of the previous sentence because that's how Charas has aways been.

Lord Raffles & friends - Reading this thread and laughing their asses off because, really, that's pretty much everything they said.



 Now, let me tell something:

 This forum, is full of boring. And why? Because. EVERYONE. FUCKING. WANTS. RPGMAKER.

 How so? When was the last time any project that was not RPG-Maker related ever appeared? Remember the good old sprite comics that Osmose did? And the midi and signature threads, where have they gone? Charas Pub is near closing down because nobody who really cares post there anymore, and if they do, it's usually an one-liner kinda post.

 The last thing Charas need is RPG Maker. We have the generators, and the games part of the forum, but that is ALL WE NEED. The forum doesn't need to spin around RPG Makers anymore, because, quite frankly, everyone here but a few excedptions is full of it.

 Want to revive the forums? Encourage people to do something new.
 You there, Lucas, keep working in those sprites.
 Mr.Mister, have you ever though about directing that anger of yours to something actually good to read? Rants are actually funny and I'm sure you'd do great in it.
 Drenrin, your music was great to hear, try and make it more.
 MT11, Razor, both your comics are just great on their own way, don't stop making those anytime soon.
 Sai'Kar, stop being so damn serious. Go to Forum Gaming sometime, or the spam bin. You have only 38 FG posts, after all this time.
 Warxe, you have great ideas for stories, why don't you try and write some of them down?
 To anyone who might care, start a contest, there need to be no prize, just for fun. Anyone can go there and try to revive the Charas Magazine for one day or so.
 Let's also change this place a bit. Make a subforum for talking about movies, so we don't have to put it all in All of All remove the smilies that aren't ever used EVER. Like this one    or   or or   . I wouldn't mind changing the forum color to something more friendly, maybe a lighter blue.
 People who can draw, draw, and not only themselves. Try and draw other Charas members, or take requests. Everyone loves requests.



 We need to stop just thinking of how this place is horrible, it's not.
 There *IS* lots of things to do here, we just have to get on our feet and actually do it. Who's with me?