Pornwall

[fruckert]

This is why we need porn. All the creepy without all the creep.

A for affort, but I don't think it'll be that easy to sway the topic back anymore.

[daoman89]

Daoman:
Of course you watch Family Guy. I'm not even going to say "I knew it" because it was obvious on your personality. Either way:

Yoo!!  I have tons of posters of my favorite show, all the dvds etc.  Seth (the creator) is a funny bro.  I'm mad tho that I haven't seen 'Ted' yet cause i heard that was pretty good.  Mark Walberg is a good actor, he was cool in "Four Brothers" too.  That dude is jacked as hell.  Fun fact though since I've brought him up... in da movie "The Lovely Bones" that was my middle school, they just changed da name for da movie.     

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My friend that I went with was ashamed to take off his shirt at the beach though...

[Cerebus]

It's all about consent. If a guy wanted to show me his underwear it's one thing, if I'm watching him with the hope that there will be an unfortunate gust of wind, then that's another. As a side note, if some weird guy came up and was like "Want to see my underwear?" I'd probably be pretty weirded out, even if he was hot.

That's you, though. Although I'd be weirded out as well if a girl asked me if I wanted to see her panties, even if she was hot. I'd find this quite suspicious...
Seems more common for men to hope for wardrobe malfunction, but that's merely because guys tend to be more obvious about it, whereas girls tend to be hypocrite. Girls also have two parts that can "malfunction", increasing the chance of an occurrence.

Yoo!!  I have tons of posters of my favorite show, all the dvds etc.  Seth (the creator) is a funny bro.  I'm mad tho that I haven't seen 'Ted' yet cause i heard that was pretty good.  Mark Walberg is a good actor, he was cool in "Four Brothers" too.  That dude is jacked as hell.  Fun fact though since I've brought him up... in da movie "The Lovely Bones" that was my middle school, they just changed da name for da movie.

I somehow feel like it wasn't meant as a compliment, nor anything good.

But anyway, any news about that porn wall thing?

[Zerlina]

This is why we need porn. All the creepy without all the creep.

This. This is an awesome phrase.

Zerlina:
Calm down girl. I can't say I can understand how you feel, I just don't. I'm not a girl, I don't have a ton of slobbering dogs waiting for my nipples to pop out (hell, if I go to the beach everyone gets them for free), but there's no reason to be pissed. I can understand what Daoman means, it's nature of a lot of men to look at pretty women. Sure, he acts like a douche 'tbut like he said, he can't help it, it's how he's been raised. But you don't have to get "pissed" (not sure if you are but that's the tone of your text) about it. It's just nature being nature. Of course your allowed to feel frustrated but it shouldn't ruin your day if you go to beach or whatnot. Remember, there are enough people that aren't like that.

Thanks but I have a right to get pissed off when I feel pissed off. And a guy saying that he goes to the beach to actively try to see girls' naked when they don't want him to pisses me off.

 

This topic now has my complete and undivided attention. I am intrigued. XD

Regarding what Zerlina said about consent and the beach, I'm gonna tread lightly here because this is clearly one of these touchy things that can go horribly wrong.

So let me tell you a story. Went on vacation to San Francisco once, went to the beach on a hot sunny day. For those of you who are unaware San Francisco is one of the largest openly gay cities in America, I think you can all see where this story is gonna go already. There where dudes there, lots and lots of gay dudes just straight up leering at me, one of them even tried to buy me ice cream and have small talk (i.e. tried to score a date).

The thing is that I had no problem with it because I expected something like that to happen. Consent is very much so implied in a lot of situations. Don't go to a gay beach if you're uncomfortable with gay men leering at you.


Now judging where this conversation is heading, the line in the sand (I'm being very punny ) is the issue of personal space. Seems like the real issue at hand is the difference between simply looking from a distance and invading someone's personal space to do so.

I think you're on the right track but let's put this in perspective. You go to a gay beach and there are men who hit on you there and leer at you, so if you don't want that to happen you don't go to the gay beach. Now imagine this situation applied to not only gay beaches but regular beaches, the mall, the street, the subway, the walk home from work at night, trips to the grocery store, the coffee shop, the pub, any time you walked past a construction site, going to the gym etc. And imagine all these guys are stronger than you and taller than you. That many have no respect for your body and will yell demeaning things out of cars at you, or while you walk by. Really think about it.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to see breasts, or even hoping something happens because that's your instinct. TRYING to see women naked when they don't want you to is the issue. It's a difference between what you want to do, and what you DO do.


Think y'all should read this, it might help put things in perspective though it certainly can't capture what it feels like in its entirety: http://www.theferrett.com/ferrettworks/2012/08/can-i-buy-you-a-coffee/




As a side note, I brought up this topic with some people IRL. Oddly enough, all the men agree with you guys (including my boyfriend) that it's okay to do this sort of thing at the beach. All the girls were really weirded out by the idea and thought it was quasi-rapey.

[Cerebus]

Prettiness is such a curse, isn't it?

[DragonBlaze]

I understand why you're pissed Zerlina, but I don't think Daoman (or anyone here) was trying to see women naked when they didn't want to be seen. Daoman just made a bad joke in a thread about porn.

All in all, I believe that people should wear appropriate clothing for how much they want their body exposed, and we shouldn't 'try' to see more. **** does happen though and there are wardrobe malfunctions. I've accidentally (and unfortunately) seen half of my friends naked and some have seen me naked. The human body is a body, we all have one, and we shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed if someone happens to see yours. On the flip side, shame to anyone who actively makes someone uncomfortable by gawking, leering, etc.

[fruckert]

Yeah, the internet totally doesn't have problems sympathizing with women over all these creep issues, doesn't it?

ed: Before you take me too seriously, that was somewhat of a joke, somewhat not.
This thread doesn't even come CLOSE to the internet's women problems.
Hyperbole!

[greenraven]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to see breasts, or even hoping something happens because that's your instinct. TRYING to see women naked when they don't want you to is the issue. It's a difference between what you want to do, and what you DO do.

I kinda feel like that was mildly shoehorned in. This is becoming one of those situations where things are being scrutinized and a lot is being read between the lines. It's been a few days since I read the whole topic but I don't recall anyone mentioning actually going out of their way to undress women.

And imagine all these guys are stronger than you and taller than you. That many have no respect for your body and will yell demeaning things out of cars at you, or while you walk by. Really think about it.

I'll up the ante on this on, I was molested as a child and I also have a friend that was raped a few years back. Just thought I'd put that out there...

[greenraven]

What wait? How am I being a dick? O_O

[Dr. Ace]

Misogyny it is now? The bloody hell crawled up your ***, Lucas? I don't see misogyny, I see different opinions. Calm down for fucks sake.

[fruckert]

What wait? How am I being a dick? O_O

The way you're being a dick is by exploiting childhood trauma and a "friend" of your's personal experiences to try to win an argument on the fucking internet.
You fuck.

I'm done here.
I really can say that after all this, I don't want to come back.

[greenraven]

The way you're being a dick is by exploiting childhood trauma and a "friend" of your's personal experiences to try to win an argument on the fucking internet.
You fuck.

What?

Ok, first off this isn't an argument and no one's trying to "win". I was merely trying to say that I understand that sort of mindset. People are getting way too hostile way too quickly for no reason at all.

[Dr. Ace]

What?

Ok, first off this isn't an argument and no one's trying to "win". I was merely trying to say that I understand that sort of mindset. People are getting way too hostile way too quickly for no reason at all.

Is it too late to say "Welcome to Charas!"? The place where 6 year old members get banned because two other members are harmlessly trolling?

[Archem]

You guys.

:I

[Prpl_Mage]

Oh snap, Archem got his serious face on.

Also, why don't I have mod powers here?