Hollywood Sucks

[Kinslayer]

Originally posted by MSlash67
The people making that movie are very ignorant. It was something people dont like to remember. there will be alot of people pissed off about this movie.

I wouldn't call them ignorants, I'd call them "money making bastards"

[Almeidaboo]

Hollywood will suck depending on the emphasis they give to this movie. If they focus on the "brutal and meaningless, cowardly terrorist attack" side of the matter, itīll suck.

If it focus on the "cruel, aburd, sad and back-stabish terrorist attack, yet with some reasons because USA mess with the world like it is itīs puppet" it will be a truthful movie.

I donīt want to start an argument, thatīs just my opinion.

[Razor]

I think it'd be nice if they mention all the things that MrMister mentioned.

THEN YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Kinslayer

quote:

Originally posted by MSlash67 The people making that movie are very ignorant. It was something people dont like to remember. there will be alot of people pissed off about this movie.

I wouldn't call them ignorants, I'd call them "money making bastards"

Oliver Stone isn't exactly Uwe Boll.

[Ace of Spades]

Well, yeah, I know there have been worse movies about worse events (like WWI, II, Pearl Harbor, etc.) BUT, these movies were made years after the event. As Warxe said, the wounds of people are still fresh. And if they have George Bush in it, then knowing Hollywood, they'll portray everything as being his fault.

And the movie would pwn if it put MrMister's conspiracy theory in it.

And mwahaha to the people who didn't know there was a link in the first post, even though there were no intentions to trick ya.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
And if they have George Bush in it, then knowing Hollywood, they'll portray everything as being his fault.

ummm. I believe that that fact is established. It's not a political movie.

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
And the movie would pwn if it put MrMister's conspiracy theory in it.

Ummm... Wouldn't that be more exploitation of the situation to promote an agenda?

You know, what a majority of people are arguing AGAINST in this thread?




Wanna pick a side?

[Shady Ultima]

Dammit... this is just stupid. I agree that if they're goin to make a movie about this, it shouldn't be made so soon. You didn't see movies about the genocide of the Jews in WWII in 1950... mind you I doubt they'd have allowed it at the time, but it's still there. People are still recovering from it, still trying to accept that it happened. I'm sure there will be a lot of people furious about this.

MrMister has some good points as well. There are so many problems in the US right now, the corruption is terrible. I'm sorry to see a country so corrupted that no one knows the truth, but I suppose that's the 21st century...

[Drace]

There were WWII movies in the the early 1950's. ONLY 5 years after the war. It's around FIVE years after 9/11 now. If I have to pick what's worse, I'd rather say it's worse of WWII movies of the Jewish genicide in the 60s than a movie about 9/11 5 years later. Wounds wil never, they'll only be forgotten and wounds like 9/11 and WWII may not be forgotten.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Drace
There were WWII movies in the the early 1950's. ONLY 5 years after the war. It's around FIVE years after 9/11 now. If I have to pick what's worse, I'd rather say it's worse of WWII movies of the Jewish genicide in the 60s than a movie about 9/11 5 years later. Wounds wil never, they'll only be forgotten and wounds like 9/11 and WWII may not be forgotten.

There were movies during the war.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0036112/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0038160/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0037522/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0036824/ (very good film)
http://imdb.com/title/tt0036037/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0035790/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0034498/ (another very good one)
http://imdb.com/title/tt0036629/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0184254/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0184773/


http://imdb.com/title/tt0041841/ (only 3 years after)

so um. yeah.

[MrMister]

Well, if the government did help out in the attack, then that would be an excuse to go into the Middle East!

[Grandy]

*sight*
 
 First of: Forget "Holywood will do a movie about yadda yadda yadda which is something not nice to remind" We have brazillian movies as well, one of the most famous is "Carandiru", telling the history of this mass-murder on a jail, it's full of painful memories, deaths, real-based histories of many prisioners, even so, it's one of the best damn movies I ever saw.

 Second of: "Oh, I don't want to remember something that happened not to too long ago by the fault of ignorant important people (who I elected myself) in my own country who didn't took seriously the evidences about a terrorist attack, prefering to act like it never happened unless it's to remind the whole world how sad and painful we are so they can be pity of us and be on our sides in this war to find someone who God knows where he is or if he's alive or dead." (takes breath) "So believe me, Mr. Grandy, we are the ones suffering in this war, not the soldiers nor the enemies. We're just like those childrem who almost kills a friend in a battle then when the Teacher comes to stop us we say 'But he punched me first!'"
 Seriously, grow up all of you, shit happens, get over it.  

 And thirth: I agree it'll probaly suck.

[Almeidaboo]

About first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.

About second of: Ditto Grandy. Americans tend to be pussies when it comes to their little bruises.

About third of: well, I made my own statement about if the movie's gonna suck or not.

[charaman]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
About first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.

I can't believe someone would say that. **** it. I'm done trying to comprehend any of this.

Let me just say that the fact that you hold yourself in such a regard as to judge such a situation is really unnerving to me.



I'm seeing a lot of insensitive comments in this thread about events, and theories (and opinions being presented as fact) that are making me ashamed to be a part of this discussion. You say you want to honor the dead but "oh only on my terms" or when it's convienient. Does any one here really believe the 9/11 conspiracies beng presented are at all sincerely representing the wishes of the dead? Please, people. reevaluate what you are saying before you try to critisize another person's insensitivity. People are people, whether they are fucked up or whatever, and it is not your job to pass judgement on the value of their lives, dead or alive.

[Grandy]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
About first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.

About second of: Ditto Grandy. Americans tend to be pussies when it comes to their little bruises.

About third of: well, I made my own statement about if the movie's gonna suck or not.

 I disagree. I'm against death sentence, and the fact that there were 111 deads, but not one single GUARD among them shows you how things work. A great ammound of the prisioners didn't deserve that, some were arrested for minimal crimes, the laws at the moment stated that the police shoud have used rubber bullets, and the main reason is that because the rebellion happned in the very week of the elections, the press at the time said there was no deaths, after the elections, the number got from zero to around 10, after a few months, it was 50, even now there are evidences that shows there were probaly much more than just 111.
 You talk about unhumanly cruel, but then again you talk with joy of their deaths.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by charaman

quote:

Originally posted by Almeidaboo About first of: the massacre Grandy is talking about took place in Brazilīs hugest high-security prision, and was ordered by a general (or capitain) because the prisioners were making a big fat mess, destroying everything and killing each other. 111 prisioners were dead. I myself belive that pavilion 9 had no chance to be fixed. The people that were locked up there had no way back to society: they were the most dangerous people in the State, and were unhumanly cruel. Good thing they were all killed. A nice pack of **** to hell.

I can't believe someone would say that. **** it. I'm done trying to comprehend any of this.

Let me just say that the fact that you hold yourself in such a regard as to judge such a situation is really unnerving to me.



I'm seeing a lot of insensitive comments in this thread about events, and theories (and opinions being presented as fact) that are making me ashamed to be a part of this discussion. You say you want to honor the dead but "oh only on my terms" or when it's convienient. Does any one here really believe the 9/11 conspiracies beng presented are at all sincerely representing the wishes of the dead? Please, people. reevaluate what you are saying before you try to critisize another person's insensitivity. People are people, whether they are ****** up or whatever, and it is not your job to pass judgement on the value of their lives, dead or alive.

Iīll tell you something, and you keep it for life, even though you donīt agree. If you want to understand my comment:

1) Step out, for one day, of Wonder Land. Step out of it and join the pain of opressing governments and insecurity.

2) Be opressed by someone. And not your parents, that take your videogame away. Be scared, feel fear from someone that has actually nothing to lose, that will kill you if you donīt give them your shoes.

3) Live somewhere, a 3rd world country, where the criminals have THE SAME FREAKING WEAPONS AS THE USA ARMY AND TAKE ON THE POLICE AND MANY TIMES WIN.

4) Step out of Wonder Land.

In Brazil, many of the criminals have no hope. Either they die, either you parents may get killed. Streets can be safe. Or not.
The diff between USA criminals and Brazilīs criminals is that in the USA the perfectness of everything, the routine and the steady life, the suburbs drive people crazy. The get f/cked up of the head and enter school with guns to kill their school mates (instead of trying to find new friends WTF!).

In Brazil they come to you and rob you. They are the law in many places, and most of the time theyīve got no mental problems. They were born in the horror of poverty, and persue the life they couldnīt have in the scared eyes of honest people.

They rob, they kill, they rape, they kidnap. And then walk away with your life.

Most of them HAVE to die (not to mention we waste more money with the penitentiary system than with education WTF v.2.2)

EDIT: Oh yes, if youīre really willing to step away from the USA to know more about the poor world, I suggest you to go to Iraq.

Grandy, for how many years have you studied the brazillian penal law and penitentiary system? Well, I did it for 3 and a half years already, and Iīm almost done with the subject. The answer is simple: it doesn't work. In little time those that were killed would be back in the streets, thirsty for some Almeidafreak's or Grandy's family to kill or worse. And theyīd do it my friend, you know why?

When you enter prision for the first time, if you donīt know the right ritual when entering the cell youīre raped by all the people in that cell (which can have up to 5 prisioners, but has 22) and beaten till you pass away. This may be repeated for days and days. (BTW, youīll probably get AIDS then. And when your wife goes visit you, bang! She gets AIDS from you! Beautiful huh?)

You leave prision MUCH WORSE than when you were back then.

Iīm full of joy to know that the probability to be killed by unfair reason has lowered 0.00000000000000000000000000001% because those people died. Because Iīm honest and work hard to have the life I have. And no one has the right to take that away. Or am I wrong?