Charas 3.0

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by SaiKar
And Meiscool's point was that rules need to be better enforced.

Did I say that? Shucks, I'm pretty sure I said:

Originally posted by Meiscool
We need stricter enforcement on reading the rules.

However, I've been known to be mistaken and have often had things I've said taken completely out of context.

Stress on the word "reading". It's not so much the fact that n00bs break the rules that I dislike, it's the fact that they don't know the rules to begin with.

Honestly, if they can't respect our laws, we shouldn't respect them. Just as I'm sure that most of the moderating team doesn't respect me because, Duh Hoi, I don't always put the rules before my random opinions.

[SonicChaos7]

You know, you could always do what I do when it comes to rule breaking. Either give them a swift kick in the *** or shoot them. Works for me.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by SaiKar

Originally posted by MrMister
How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?

This just in: not everyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Occasionally you're being stupid too. And for someone that's professed how much they don't care, you seem to be posting here a lot. :p[/B]

ZeroKirbyX said this, not me.
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SonicChaos: kickin people in the nuts. how badass u must be.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Oh wow Sai, I'm really trying to figure out how you did that, and I've got... nothin XD I didn't mean more "mod" mods, just people that could say stuff like "No double posting" or whatnot without getting the good ol' "No backseat modding" line.

Would, "Good lord you're a fuggin' dumbass" be too blunt Moose?

[SaiKar]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
Oh wow Sai, I'm really trying to figure out how you did that, and I've got... nothin XD I didn't mean more "mod" mods, just people that could say stuff like "No double posting" or whatnot without getting the good ol' "No backseat modding" line.

Yes... and I'm saying that we already have lots of people like that, so why not have them keep doing it and not worry about this nonsense about trying to somehow force people to read the rules to register for the site.

[GaryCXJk]

First of all, IF I would help y'all out with coding, don't expect me to become moderator. It's not that I don't want to, it's just that I don't want to.

But it's a good plan. Don't know if I could help out too much though.

But it does bring back the possibility for this one idea I had.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by SaiKar
Unfortunately, and as usual, Mid's right; no amount of website upgrades can make people be less of a jerk. But consider that not everyone that comes to the site now leaves. If we make the site more attractive in general to newcomers, more of them should stay, so even if the jerks are still out there we'll have more newcomers around. That's a good thing.

You make it sound as if I'm always wrong.

[Omega Weapon]

I don't think that 'oldies' realize that part of being an elder and giving advice is having to deal with the same questions and mistakes. If you see a lot of newbies coming in and making newbie mistakes, correct them and move on, and maybe they'll come back and make a semi-newbie mistake and continue learning. It looks as though if some people can't hack that, or just haven't realized it.

(This was meant to be directed at newbie games, but I suppose it could apply to posting in general)

[GaryCXJk]

But the problem is, most come, ask something, and leave as quick as they came. That's one of the differences Charas has with other communities.

Charas only attracts a select group of people.

[Omega Weapon]

Originally posted by GaryCXJk
But the problem is, most come, ask something, and leave as quick as they came. That's one of the differences Charas has with other communities.

Charas only attracts a select group of people.

Why would they want to stay, if they're only being told how inept they are instead of being offered constructive criticism?

It seems to attract many people, but those that are less interested in making games are the ones that stay.

 Is this an accurate overview?

[Osmose]

Another idea that I had and forgot:

-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.

It would allow Gary to talk about site coding with other staff members without being a mod.

[Glitch]

A quick point.

I know you guys think its hypocritical of us (a game and resource making site) to not allow new members to make requests. But seriously, is there not something we can do about the usual pattern of

-Random newbie starts horrifyingly bad game
-Random newbie suddenly realizes he needs resources but doesn't feel like making new ones
-Random newbie comes to Charas and basically requests that we make an entirely new set of resources just for his game (that will not be finished)
-Two hours later same newbie bumbs his thread unnecessarily saying "Is anyone gonna do this?"
- A half an hour later, another bump
-Lonewolf answers and tries to do the request
-Meiscool, Zkx, or anyother member come up and inform him it prolly won't get done and that he's retarted for trying.
-Osmose tells previous poster to not be a jerk
-Some in general bickering
-The thread is forgotten and that same newbie makes a new thread for resources for his new game
-Everyone waits till the next newbie comes along...

Does that look familiar to anyone besides me? And seriously, is there any point to dozens of new request threads being made all the time by people who we know full well are not going to complete their game?

Also, I think it would be cool if we could change the swear word filter so that instead of **** or ****ing, it would say Fricking, or something like that or instead of ***** it would say Prostitute (and for that matter whore isn't even a really bad word, it's an adjective/noun)

Well that's my two cents.

[Osmose]

The usual method of stopping that pattern is, at the first bump, someone informs them that they should wait a few days before bumping as the forum does not move that fast. As your pattern indicates, I am fully against calling them retarded for wanting to make a game.

A few weeks ago I asked Daeturnys (Or however you spell RotD's new name) if he could make a charaset of Moose because I really liked his style, and he agreed to. I don't make games. I'm probably not going to make a game. And most if not all of my cameos are in Sai'Kar's various projects. And yet he did it despite that it probably won't get used, and I'm really grateful for that. That's the kind of attitude that should be prevalent - a spriter should make sprites because they improve themselves during it, not to be in the credits of a random RPG Maker game.

My view is that if the person's game doesn't work out, you can submit your charaset to complete resources or break it up into pieces and submit it to the generators. That way if someone asks for a similar sprite or wants to use a part from it, they can, and it improves the site.

One way that would boost the amount of requests fulfilled, I think, is to add a feature to the requests forum that allows a thread starter to indicate if their request was completed, and by whom. They would choose what kind of request it is first, and then requests completed would be in the profile and there could be a leaderboard. It would really benefit the site, I think.

[SaiKar]

Originally posted by Glitch
-Random newbie starts horrifyingly bad game
-Random newbie suddenly realizes he needs resources but doesn't feel like making new ones
-Random newbie comes to Charas and basically requests that we make an entirely new set of resources just for his game (that will not be finished)
-Two hours later same newbie bumbs his thread unnecessarily saying "Is anyone gonna do this?"
- A half an hour later, another bump
-Lonewolf answers and tries to do the request
-Meiscool, Zkx, or anyother member come up and inform him it prolly won't get done and that he's retarted for trying.
-Osmose tells previous poster to not be a jerk
-Some in general bickering
-The thread is forgotten and that same newbie makes a new thread for resources for his new game
-Everyone waits till the next newbie comes along...

Freaking awesome.

Originally posted by Glitch
Does that look familiar to anyone besides me? And seriously, is there any point to dozens of new request threads being made all the time by people who we know full well are not going to complete their game?

It depends on your idea of "a point". I have serious doubts that ANYBODY at Charas will complete their games. But, more importantly, does it matter? RPG making is a hobby. It's not like anybody is making money off this stuff. I can see not wanting to help people that don't look too serious, but that's a personal choice individuals make on their own. I'd be perfectly willing to help a newbie with a request if was a really interesting request and something I was good at.

I just wish that people that NEVER answer requests would shut up and stay out of that forum. I seriously think it should be worth a ban after a number of offenses. Constantly attacking people while never offering anything positive is no different than trolling - and we ban trolls.

[Daetyrnis]

Glitch, that was awesome.  Specially around the part where "Lonewolf answers and tries to do the request".  That brought a smile to my face.  See people, Lonewolf is a good member.  No matter what the request, no matter how absurd or new the member is, regardless if he is even remotely close to understanding the request, he tries to help.

[OFF-TOPIC] Osmose, thanks for using me as a good example. ^_^  By the way, it's Dae - tyr - nis.  But at least Daeturnys is around the same pronounciation.