Charas 3.0

[A Forgotten Legend]

..crap, i was hoping i could edit before some quoted.... i knew it was sarcasm, im not stupid.  this 3.0 thing is interesting.

[Osmose]

I figure that Mods can't effectively enforce rules without something to enforce them with. The current system is, "Abuse warn abuse warn abuse warn abuse warn abuse ban", with maybe a temp ban thrown in there if we feel like being creative. I think that we should take a note from EVERY OTHER FORUM IN EXISTANCE and have something like that.

Veteran system can be changed to Charas Supporter system, which I would totally support, and actually proposed near the end of the proposal.

Oh, and Sai makes a compelling point about the rules. I say we should have a "Read the rules" page during registration. After going over the more commonly-broken rules it would contain, in the middle, "To continue, remove all the text from this box and click OK below." At the end it would say, "No, you have to read the rules!" to ensure that people read the more important rules while registering.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Meh. I've tried giving constructive, non-offensive criticism. What happens? They get on my ***. If they're always gonna get on my ***, why not just skip the foreplay and get right to the fun stuff? Meh I say, MEH.

[Glitch]

Jeez, between Sai resigning and this proposition, does anyone even remember that there be a game makin contest.

Anywho, I happen to be fond of this idea, some change is always welcome. I like the special privelege (sp?) for donating, and I agree that there should be some other way to punish people who break rules. I also like the different category for n00bs thing. If used correctly and not abused it could be a good way to show people how not to act when they join, thus helping to avoid newb flaming.


+15 Support!

[MrMister]

Osmose, are you a scientologist

[Ben]

Read the rules page is silly.
Its easy to feign it. Make them complete a multiple choice quiz.
And then a liscensing program.
And then take a stool sample.

[Meiscool-2]

Originally posted by Osmose
Oh, and Sai makes a compelling point about the rules. I say we should have a "Read the rules" page during registration. After going over the more commonly-broken rules it would contain, in the middle, "To continue, remove all the text from this box and click OK below." At the end it would say, "No, you have to read the rules!" to ensure that people read the more important rules while registering.

Sai makes a good point? I believe that was my point. All I got from his post was that not reading the rules is as good as reading the rules, and that n00bs have no common sense.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Meis, you should have learned by now, Moose hates us. Anything we say is either ignored or "confused" to have be said by another. But whatever, I really don't care.

[Bluhman]

Originally posted by gemini
Read the rules page is silly.
Its easy to feign it. Make them complete a multiple choice quiz.
And then a liscensing program.
And then take a stool sample.

That's a cool idea. THAT would ward away silly fools.
Wait, that would ruin my signature greeting...

Oh well!

EDIT: I mean just the first part with the quiz. The other two things are just silly.

[Osmose]

I was actually referring to the second part about the rules, since they're never followed, being mostly there so we actually have justification for making people follow them(I was thinking that by making everyone read them during signup that we can more plausibly claim that punishments were forewarned). But yes, you did say that they need to be more strictly enforced first, and that's my mistake.

ZeroKirby: If someone gets mad at you for giving them constructive criticism, then just stop giving them the benefit of your opinion. Obviously they don't deserve it if they're going to whine about it, but it's no reason to be preemptively mean.



Sometime tomorrow I'm going to take the list of changes and start focusing on refining them rather than just having anyone suggest anything, as we're already doing that on some of the ideas anyway. Sometime during Friday-Saturday I'll ask for votes and then compile the final list and, hopefully, summon Alex Sunday.

[Shady Ultima]

Originally posted by Meiscool

Originally posted by Shady Ultima
And if they don't leave right away, then they get snapped at by some of the other members because they didn't read the rules.

What a fantastic point. The next time a n00b breaks a rule because they clearly didn't read the rules, we just won't tell them.

Awesome.
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Sorry, I suppose I wasn't clear enough. Its not so much that other members snap, its the WAY they snap on them. I agree whole-heartedly with letting newer members know that they need to follow the rules, and also, with having a page on registering that they need to read the rules for.

[MrMister]

The way it is now, people join and leave a week later.
With what you're proposing, they won't even finish registering at all.
And no one is overly abusive to new members, so.. what are you guys even thinking

[ZeroKirbyX]

ZeroKirby: If someone gets mad at you for giving them constructive criticism, then just stop giving them the benefit of your opinion. Obviously they don't deserve it if they're going to whine about it, but it's no reason to be preemptively mean.

Well, I can see what yeh mean. How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?

[SaiKar]

Originally posted by MrMister
The way it is now, people join and leave a week later.
With what you're proposing, they won't even finish registering at all.

As much as hate to, I agree with MrMister. Forcing someone to read a paragraph to find a small detail that is necessary for them to complete registration is impractical. Not to mention highly insulting. Newbies don't want to play stupid games like that.

And Meiscool's point was that rules need to be better enforced. That was NOT my point. My point is that it doesn't really matter. When in Charas history is the chapter where a newbie that didn't read the rules caused mass chaos on the site? A simple "please don't double post" or "posting links to the RPGMaker program is illegal" is usually all it takes. People like ZeroKirbyX wanted more mods? Let's have these mods do their job!

Originally posted by MrMister
How about this: I still give my opinion, if they get pissy, I make one post pointing out their stupidity and leave it be as opposed to keeping it going?

This just in: not everyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Occasionally you're being stupid too. And for someone that's professed how much they don't care, you seem to be posting here a lot. :p

[Osmose]

Depends on how blunt you are with the stupidity pointing. But it's a step in the right direction, which is good.

MrMister: I kinda agree with you - it sounded good at the time, but now it's starting to sound kinda bad. I'll probably not include it in the final proposition mainly because it's not one of the major issues anyway.