A girl beat to death over religion

[Cosmos]

I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.

Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.

[Revolution911]

Originally posted by Shady Ultima
Also thought it was dumb.

Christianity is a RELIGION, Dom, just wanted to point that out.

Alright, here's my point of view. I personally couldn't watch the whole video, because I do think it is wrong. No person should be able to choose death for another. It doesn't matter who the person is, no one has the right to kill. Now, I do understand that they're from a different culture, but nonetheless, killing is still wrong. And, going on those same lines is why I am against abortions as well. The fetus has life from the moment of conception, even if it does not yet have brain or heart functions. Due to this, I think that it is murder, despite the child being only a small number of cells. Many couples in the world are desperate for children and cannot reproduce, so giving a child up for adoption is better then killing the poor child.  I want to say that I agree with abortions in only two causes. The first, is a rape. If a woman is raped, and gets pregnant, the child could make the already traumatized woman worse, driving them to the point of no return. I also think that in the case that the woman can not survive the delivery of the child, that the child should be aborted. But, this second argument is not common, because of a C-section birth, where even the smallest, most fragile woman can give birth.

Just so you know, when I talk about cultures, it's about the eatin' fetus'.

BUT ANYWAY,  If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly?  Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing?  Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate.  THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH.  It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL.  C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that.  My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption."  Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.

Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.

oh, sorry Mid, that one wasn't for you! And yes, abortion is a great thing to discuss...

Now, saying animals are stupid...We're the wrong ones in this story Smo...We protect the weak and let our race become weaker. We humans do not look to the future and no longer fight for our species to survive. We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.

[Meiscool-2]

Abortion is prefectly acceptible.

The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by Almeidaboo
We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.

I know you're being serious, but omg that made me laugh XD!

[Ben]

Yeah. If youre anti abortion...you got some de-ignorancing to do.

Rape...thats abortion worthy.

A 14 year old girl accidentally getting preggers...that can destroy that girls pelvis.

Drug and alcohol damaged pregnancies..


Adoption is all well and fine... And In my opinion, in alot of cases its the best road to take. "I didnt wanna be pregnant is no excuse"

But sometimes having the child is simply NOT an option

[Razor]

Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.

The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.

And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p

[Smokey_locs2006]

Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.

Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.

Key word here baby in  "comparison"

Originally posted by Almeidaboo

Originally posted by Midnight
I knew you were talking about dead ones almei, It's just nice when more then one point is brought to a topic.

Also, smo.. you can't say animals are stupid. We get some of our best ideas from animals. They're not expendable.

oh, sorry Mid, that one wasn't for you! And yes, abortion is a great thing to discuss...

Now, saying animals are stupid...We're the wrong ones in this story Smo...We protect the weak and let our race become weaker. We humans do not look to the future and no longer fight for our species to survive. We fight for iPods. And I`m serious.[/B]

Surly not all humans are this way but we all are at times.
Humans are too intelligent to get along with each other as a whole
Sure the world would be a better place but I'd be one bored mofo.
Also I would leave a lot of females behind in time of battle.
and yes your Ipod comment made me laugh.  
I remember the Ipod wars at Wal-Mart, I supported our troops.



on another note... this topic owns.. if you're just now joining it.. just run.

[aboutasoandthis]

 Originally Posted by Shady Ultima
 

Also thought it was dumb.

Christianity is a RELIGION, Dom, just wanted to point that out.

Alright, here's my point of view. I personally couldn't watch the whole video, because I do think it is wrong. No person should be able to choose death for another. It doesn't matter who the person is, no one has the right to kill. Now, I do understand that they're from a different culture, but nonetheless, killing is still wrong. And, going on those same lines is why I am against abortions as well. The fetus has life from the moment of conception, even if it does not yet have brain or heart functions. Due to this, I think that it is murder, despite the child being only a small number of cells. Many couples in the world are desperate for children and cannot reproduce, so giving a child up for adoption is better then killing the poor child. I want to say that I agree with abortions in only two causes. The first, is a rape. If a woman is raped, and gets pregnant, the child could make the already traumatized woman worse, driving them to the point of no return. I also think that in the case that the woman can not survive the delivery of the child, that the child should be aborted. But, this second argument is not common, because of a C-section birth, where even the smallest, most fragile woman can give birth.

I'm just gonna stick to what this says. While it is true that nothing hurts more than childbirth, I see girls who get pregnant left and right. They come from bad homes and poor families and yet still manage to make it. The only real excuses to get an abortion are rape and maybe incest.

Please don't eat people. There are hopefully better things you can eat. Do you really want to eat a mammal that doesn't walk on four legs?

 Originally Posted by Meiscool
 

Abortion is prefectly acceptible.

The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.

Tell me the passage. My church doesn't tell us this stuff.  

 

I am not religious, I'm a Christian

...

Nope. No Comment.

[Almeidaboo]

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.

The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.

And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p[/B]

One, just one drop of pee I dropped so hard I laughed...inhuman strenght held the whole whole inside the blatter...

[Meiscool-2]

@About: Uh... passage, I don't remember. I heard it read durring a political hearing (I can vote next election!!!!!) so I'm begining to pay more attention to these things.

Originally posted by Razor

Originally posted by Meiscool
Abortion is prefectly acceptible.

The Bible itself even proclaims that the fetus isn't alive untill (I think) it's forth week.

And we all know how scientifically accurate that is. :p[/B]

I was merely adding that side note to show that even the Christian "Code of Conduct" says abortion isn't wrong under certain events.

[Shady Ultima]

Originally posted by Revolution911

BUT ANYWAY,  If you're so against killing, no matter how many cells, do you also refuse to swat a fly?  Do you refuse to eat vegetables or plants because it was once alive and growing?  Do you refuse to eat meat (If you really do I dont wanna hear about it) ? Blah, I'm sure you see what I'm getting at.

And I think you fail to see a HUGE part of this debate.  THE EXTREMELY PAINFUL PROCESS OF GIVING BIRTH.  It seems that EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE in this thread doesn't take it into account that birth ****ing HURTS like HELL.  C-sections aren't much better, seeing as the risk of infection and well...ya know....cutting your stomach open and all that.  My point is, its not just as simple as "just give birth to it and put it up for adoption."  Thats a lot of pain and time in a hospital for a fetus that you didn't want and tried to prevent.[/B]

Yes, I know that birth is painful, I do understand that. But what I think is, if a female WILLINGLY HAS SEX, then she should have to deal with the consquences. I'll kill a fly, eat veggies and I love my meat, but that is different, because all animals have to eat, and killing food is a part of that. Killing a fetus is not for food. It's not so much that I'm against the killing, so much as I'm against the fact that we live in a world where people don't think about the consequences. Why do some people have sex without protection? With all the information about STDS and pregnancy in the world, you'd think people would be smarter, but many still do it.

[Smokey_locs2006]

I can answer that last question, it feels so much better without a Jimmy but I know what you're getting at.

[Razor]

I don't think the child birth = pain argument is really applicable for that.
Well maybe.

For the people who can afford it, there are drugs to stop that pain, or at least lessen it.
For the mothers who want to be mothers, you can ask any of them and they'd say it was worth it.

For the underage/poor/unwilling soon to be mothers, well, it's a lot of pain, but it's not going to kill you.*

*IN MOST CASES

Originally posted by Meiscool
I was merely adding that side note to show that even the Christian "Code of Conduct" says abortion isn't wrong under certain events.

Yeah, I know, but it was WAY too good to resist.

[Ryan914]

Only if either brain or heart is developed in any way than it is alive, before that it is just cells, it would be no different than killing germs, cells cannot feel pain as they have no sensory capabilities. However if one plans to go through with it and have the child, yet are unable to care for it, it may be best to leave it to a person who can raise a child. At most, you have left progeny behind to carry on the bloodline, even if the child is unaware of who it's biological parents are.

Anyway back to the main topic at hand, religion is a double edged blade, it can be used for good or ill purposes, to guide those who are uncertain of what to do or to create war and chaos, furthering the entropy and extinction of the human race.

Should the Zealots have their way and cause this world to return to the dark ages they so desire. It would take years, perhaps centuries, for humans to realize the error of their own ways.

I have grown ill of religion because people have constantly used it for their own ends. I do know this though, our creator would not want it's own children to fight one another because of differences in their beliefs and views. This bias the cause for countless wars time and again.

but perhaps I am looking too deeply into this issue.